Current Events > Do you want Tiktok to get banned in the US? >_>

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Kimberly posted...

"Banning" tiktok by forcing its sale doesn't solve the whole "cancer to society" sentiment that people are upset about.

Social media as a whole is a cancer to society. TikTok isn't even the worst.

People agreeing with Republicans really need to step back and realize what's happening here.

NhojAnec posted...

TikTok is one of the worst things ever created.

Also anyone who uses it is just getting spied on by the Chinese government. The reason this is bad is because the Chinese government is getting a bunch of info from US citizens to prepare for a war against the west.

https://imgur.com/gallery/v8Uvhbt

SerperiorThanU posted...

Having info of people dancing and power scaling anime characters helps the Chinese government in a war?

Anyway
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80720538
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80720629
proves polls wildly differ.

That first poll was a joke so none of the results matter.

RetuenOfDevsman posted...

I'm of the opinion that they've always been right.

People who lived centuries ago were way smarter than we are.

Citation needed.

Tiktok is a cesspit that I wouldn't shed any tears about it being gone.

It almost certainly had a hand in spawning Youtube Shorts, which is also something that my YT experience would have been better off without (why would I want videos that I can't rewind without going all the way back to the beginning? why are we getting rid of functionality?)

ClayGuida posted...

People agreeing with Republicans really need to step back and realize what's happening here.

People need to based their opinions on their own, not what Republicans think.

Just because Republicans dislike something, doesn't mean your default position should be to support literally whatever they dislike.

Despite those wanting this to be a partisan issue, Tiktok is hated for more than just partisan reasons. The dislike of TikTok isn't a partisan issue, regardless if you can specifically point at Republicans hating it. Lastly, this bill wouldn't actually keep tiktok banned if an American company bought it.

Before someone twists my post like the other topic, my post isnt saying I support banning it. Although that being said, I wouldn't care if it did get banned either.

People truly need to stop falling for republican outrage and propaganda.

China stealing our information is no different than Facebook selling our shit to Cambridge analytics.

Ban all companies from selling our data, isolating a single company is asinine. China, Saudis, Russians, and Elons all own shit and are against American interests, yet only tik tok is being singled out. Ask yourself why that is.

Dems sacrificing whatever good will they've earned with the youth will easily be wiped out because they're fucking idiots and support this republican censorship bullshit.

ClayGuida posted...

People truly need to stop falling for republican outrage and propaganda.

China stealing our information is no different than Facebook selling our shit to Cambridge analytics.

Ban all companies from selling our data, isolating a single company is asinine. China, Saudis, Russians, and Elons all own shit and are against American interests, yet only tik tok is being singled out. Ask yourself why that is.

Dems sacrificing whatever good will they've earned with the youth will easily be wiped out because they're fucking idiots and support this republican censorship bullshit.

What you need to also understand, that isn't the only reason some people hate Tiktok or indifferent to it getting banned.

Not everything has partisan reasoning behind it. Ignoring that is where some of the confusion on the tiktok hate or even indifference to tiktok getting banned is coming from.

Plenty are not a fan of what social media has become. Tiktok getting singled out is just that to many people.

ClayGuida posted...

China stealing our information is no different than Facebook selling our shit to Cambridge analytics.

I don't have a TikTok account, but even if I did I'd just tell the Chinese government to have fun with my information. Not like anything in it would be useful to them.

1337toothbrush posted...

"www.socialmediatoday.com"

@1337toothbrush OK, how about https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/dec/22/tiktok-bytedance-workers-fired-data-access-journalists

1337toothbrush posted...

"Published Dec. 23, 2022"

Please.

So it was two years ago. What difference does that make?

LightningThief posted...

What you need to also understand, that isn't the only reason some people hate Tiktok or indifferent to it getting banned.

Not everything has partisan reasoning behind it. Ignoring that is where some of the confusion on the tiktok hate or even indifference to tiktok getting banned is coming from.

Plenty are not a fan of what social media has become. Tiktok getting singled out is just that to many people.

So its okay to want something banned because you don't like it.

That's republican fuckery 101. Just in my short life I remember them wanting video games, music and films banned because they didn't like it. I've read about them also attacking magazines and dungeons and dragons.

Wanting shit banned because you personally don't like it is pretty fucking pathetic.

ClayGuida posted...

So its okay to want something banned because you don't like it.

Go back and actually read my post.

Because what I said, and what you morphed my post to doesn't match.

I don't take back anything I said my last post. Including the fact you don't want to hear that not all who want it banned, align Republican or simply "don't like it."

There are actual reasons to not give a shit that Tiktok was singled out. Regardless if you don't like it being singled out. There are also legitimate reasons to want it banned. Regardless if you can point at Republicans who have an agenda.

Not everybody wanting it banned have partisan reasons because you love Tiktok so much.

I'm fine with ot of we also ban the other shitty social media sites like Facebook and Instagram

CheshireSimper posted...

Most of CE's disdain for TikTok is just anger and social isolation, tbh.

Ironic you say this considering Apps like TikTok are one of the biggest reasons why this new generation is the most isolated of any time period.

luigi33 posted...

Ironic you say this considering Apps like TikTok are one of the biggest reasons why this new generation is the most isolated of any time period.

Sounds legit.

Yes but not for the same reason they're putting forth for the ban officially. (Note: I havent read the documentation on what's listed as reasons for the ban, just heard that it's due to it being used by foreign powers in data harvesting)

The reason I feel it should be banned is because it, and other social media like it, are a major contribution to the decline of mental health in the youth of today.

https://shorturl.at/enAR1

luigi33 posted...

Ironic you say this considering Apps like TikTok are one of the biggest reasons why this new generation is the most isolated of any time period.

UnicornRaline posted...

Yes but not for the same reason they're putting forth for the ban officially. (Note: I havent read the documentation on what's listed as reasons for the ban, just heard that it's due to it being used by foreign powers in data harvesting)

The reason I feel it should be banned is because it, and other social media like it, are a major contribution to the decline of mental health in the youth of today.

https://shorturl.at/enAR1

Again,

https://www.mdpi.com/2227-7102/13/7/745
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK594763
https://unfspinnaker.com/90538/news/university/how-social-media-is-influencing-gen-zs-political-views/
https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2008/12/14/scenario-2-the-internet-and-the-evolution-of-social-tolerance/

Social media can provide benefits for some youth by providing positive community and connection with others who share identities, abilities, and interests. It can provide access to important information and create a space for self-expression.9 The ability to form and maintain friendships online and develop social connections are among the positive effects of social media use for youth.18, 19 These relationships can afford opportunities to have positive interactions with more diverse peer groups than are available to them offline and can provide important social support to youth.18 The buffering effects against stress that online social support from peers may provide can be especially important for youth who are often marginalized, including racial, ethnic, and sexual and gender minorities.20, 21, 22 For example, studies have shown that social media may support the mental health and well-being of lesbian, gay, bisexual, asexual, transgender, queer, intersex and other youths by enabling peer connection, identity development and management, and social support.23 Seven out of ten adolescent girls of color report encountering positive or identity-affirming content related to race across social media platforms.24 A majority of adolescents report that social media helps them feel more accepted (58%), like they have people who can support them through tough times (67%), like they have a place to show their creative side (71%), and more connected to whats going on in their friends lives (80%).25 In addition, research suggests that social media-based and other digitally-based mental health interventions may also be helpful for some children and adolescents by promoting help-seeking behaviors and serving as a gateway to initiating mental health care.

The results of our study indicate that social media platform features, such as utility and aesthetic appeal, significantly impact the knowledge-sharing behavior of students. Higher education institutions should consider these findings when developing social media initiatives to promote knowledge sharing. Furthermore, our research provides a framework for examining the influence of social media on student learning and motivation, which can be applied in future research studies. Overall, our study adds to the growing body of literature on using social media in higher education and provides valuable insights for educators and practitioners seeking to enhance student learning outcomes through social media. The study used exploratory and confirmatory factor analysis to determine the presence of workable correlation coefficients and to evaluate the fit of the proposed model. The results show that knowledge formation and reputation significantly influence students knowledge-sharing behavior. Social media use and student learning motivation are crucial in facilitating effective knowledge sharing.
The authors concluded that social media could provide both challenges and opportunities for students and that it is up to them to make the most of this technology to enhance knowledge exchange among peers. However, the study also found that students can become easily distracted by the recreational and commercial features of the site. The studys results contradict the assumption made by other researchers that social media use is detrimental to college students performance in learning. Instead, the analysis revealed that social media features such as document sharing could facilitate student participation, improve student knowledge formation, and offset the potential distractions and adverse effects of the more entertaining features of social media.

There also articles about how video games hurt the mental health of children.
Also Unicorn, you have links to to your social media in your sig.

UnicornRaline posted...

Yes but not for the same reason they're putting forth for the ban officially. (Note: I havent read the documentation on what's listed as reasons for the ban, just heard that it's due to it being used by foreign powers in data harvesting)

The reason I feel it should be banned is because it, and other social media like it, are a major contribution to the decline of mental health in the youth of today.

https://shorturl.at/enAR1

They didn't even link to the actual study.

Revelation34 posted...

Citation needed.

https://www.cs.cornell.edu/~pjs54/Teaching/AutomaticLifestyle-S02/Projects/Vlku/history.html

The first "television" system broadcast was a straight-line by Philo Farnsworth on September 7th, 1927.

RetuenOfDevsman posted...

https://www.cs.cornell.edu/~pjs54/Teaching/AutomaticLifestyle-S02/Projects/Vlku/history.html

If you think that's an answer to his question, I know why you think people are more stupid now.

You aren't going to like it.

DrizztLink posted...

If you think that's an answer to his question, I know why you think people are more stupid now.

You aren't going to like it.

It's the best my modern brain could do

ImagineUsngAlts posted...

Again,

https://www.mdpi.com/2227-7102/13/7/745
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK594763
https://unfspinnaker.com/90538/news/university/how-social-media-is-influencing-gen-zs-political-views/
https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2008/12/14/scenario-2-the-internet-and-the-evolution-of-social-tolerance/

There also articles about how video games hurt the mental health of children.
Also Unicorn, you have links to to your social media in your sig.

Yep, I do. But the only thing those relate to is my Vtuber stuff. I never entertain political or controversial subjects with that, it's just purely for entertainment.

UnicornRaline posted...

Yep, I do. But the only thing those relate to is my Vtuber stuff. I never entertain political or controversial subjects with that, it's just purely for entertainment.

Uh, you realize that your suggested ban on social media will still affect your entertainment as well right? Banning sites don't differentiate political vs entertainment. Obviously TikTok is used for pure entertainment and business as well
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/house-likely-pass-bill-ban-tiktok-sending-senate-rcna142797

TikTok, owned by China-based parent company ByteDance, has mounted an aggressive lobbying campaign to kill the legislation, arguing that it would violate the First Amendment rights of its 170 million U.S. users and harm thousands of small businesses that rely on it. "This process was secret and the bill was jammed through for one reason: its a ban," the company said on X.
Paul Tran, who, with his wife, has a skin care company called Love and Pebble, protested at a pro-TikTok rally outside the Capitol on Tuesday, with a message for members: You will be destroying small businesses like us; this is our livelihood. Weve created success."
He said their business nearly shut down last year until TikTok Shop came along and totally exploded our business. Now 90% of their business comes from the app, he said.
If you pass this bill, Tran said, you will be destroying the American Dream that we really believe in.
Despite that push, the bill sailed through the House, raising pressure on the Democratic-led Senate to act. President Joe Biden, whose 2024 campaign joined TikTok last month, has said that if the bill reaches his desk, he will sign it into law.
Outside the Capitol, a handful of young House Democrats Robert Garcia and Sarah Jacobs of California, Maxwell Frost of Florida and Delia Ramirez of Illinois rallied alongside TikTok creators to express their opposition to the bill.
Frost, 27, called himself a hell no on the bill and predicted that if the vote had been delayed by a week, opposition would have grown.
JT Laybourne, one of the creators, said he is disgusted to hear lawmakers mocking TikTok and the creators on it because millions of small businesses rely on it.

RetuenOfDevsman posted...

https://www.cs.cornell.edu/~pjs54/Teaching/AutomaticLifestyle-S02/Projects/Vlku/history.html

How does the invention of the television prove people were smarter centuries ago?"

ImagineUsngAlts posted...

Again,

https://www.mdpi.com/2227-7102/13/7/745
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK594763
https://unfspinnaker.com/90538/news/university/how-social-media-is-influencing-gen-zs-political-views/
https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2008/12/14/scenario-2-the-internet-and-the-evolution-of-social-tolerance/

There also articles about how video games hurt the mental health of children.
Also Unicorn, you have links to to your social media in your sig.

Oh I missed this part. Utter bullshit.

Revelation34 posted...

Oh I missed this part. Utter bullshit.

There are research that have shown gaming, particularly violent games can hurt the mental health of children.
https://www.newportacademy.com/resources/treatment/teenage-video-game-addiction/
https://www.aacap.org/AACAP/Families_and_Youth/Facts_for_Families/FFF-Guide/Children-and-Video-Games-Playing-with-Violence-091.aspx
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9691036/
https://healthcare.utah.edu/the-scope/kids-zone/all/2021/08/video-games-your-child-plays-has-effect-their-behavior

Of course, the keyword here is "can". This doesn't apply to all children and is especially curbed by moderation... same as social media. Of course millennials are more familiar with video games so they think they know how to handle video game moderation while they're less familiar with social media so they want the government to do it for them.

ImagineUsngAlts posted...

There are research that have shown gaming, particularly violent games can hurt the mental health of children.
https://www.newportacademy.com/resources/treatment/teenage-video-game-addiction/
https://www.aacap.org/AACAP/Families_and_Youth/Facts_for_Families/FFF-Guide/Children-and-Video-Games-Playing-with-Violence-091.aspx
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9691036/
https://healthcare.utah.edu/the-scope/kids-zone/all/2021/08/video-games-your-child-plays-has-effect-their-behavior

Of course, the keyword here is "can". This doesn't apply to all children and is especially curbed by moderation... same as social media. Of course millennials are more familiar with video games so they think they know how to handle video game moderation while they're less familiar with social media so they want the government to do it for them.

I still call all of it utter bullshit.

If your child is playing violent video games incessantly the thing causing them harm is parental neglect. Not the video games.

Revelation34 posted...

I still call all of it utter bullshit.

Tyranthraxus posted...

If your child is playing violent video games incessantly the thing causing them harm is parental neglect. Not the video games.

I mean, if you think the same for social media then at least you're consistent there. The studies did note that violent video games have higher rates of aggression and problematic behavior and video games in general are addictive.

Tyranthraxus posted...

If your child is playing violent video games incessantly the thing causing them harm is parental neglect. Not the video games.

How would that be parental neglect?

Apparently they're trying to get me to uninstall the app now, by flooding my algorithm with the same three shitty songs.

Revelation34 posted...

How would that be parental neglect?

Because they're playing violent video games incessantly. Video games are not a substitute for raising your kids.

ImagineUsngAlts posted...

I mean, if you think the same for social media then at least you're consistent there. The studies did note that violent video games have higher rates of aggression and problematic behavior and video games in general are addictive.

I've long held that things like Facebook addiction are severe problems for mental health in kids and adults. I myself don't use any social networking sites. The closest thing to a social network I do use is bluesky but I use it more like an RSS feed and don't engage often with the community.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Because they're playing violent video games incessantly. Video games are not a substitute for raising your kids.

I've long held that things like Facebook addiction are severe problems for mental health in kids and adults. I myself don't use any social networking sites. The closest thing to a social network I do use is bluesky but I use it more like an RSS feed and don't engage often with the community.

I don't think there's any research on social media being addictive to adults. Sure, some adults are also addicted to it but those are considered less matured adults and those same adults are also vulnerable to video games which a lot of adults are also addicted to and increasing.

Addiction and mental health problems can happen to people who use both video games and social media. There are also good things in both of them, such as enjoyment, stress relief, and (in the case of social media) convenience. The key to both of them is moderation.

Banning all social media is impossible. The toothpaste is out of the tube, social media is heavily integrated into cultures around the world. We can't just make it all go away any more than we could make the internet or electricity go away. Even if it were possible, picking one and banning it just because it's the most popular is going to accomplish nothing. All it will do is piss young people off as they find workarounds (like VPNs) or just move to different apps that do the same thing.

Part of it is parents, but society in general is just really bad about not letting social media take over everything. We need to value internet free time and spaces more. Regulation is a good idea too, but it needs to affect ALL forms of social media, and those regulations need to have some actual teeth in them, dammit.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Because they're playing violent video games incessantly. Video games are not a substitute for raising your kids.

I've long held that things like Facebook addiction are severe problems for mental health in kids and adults. I myself don't use any social networking sites. The closest thing to a social network I do use is bluesky but I use it more like an RSS feed and don't engage often with the community.

Then there's no reason to mention violent video games. Your post should say just video games.

ImagineUsngAlts posted...

Uh, you realize that your suggested ban on social media will still affect your entertainment as well right? Banning sites don't differentiate political vs entertainment. Obviously TikTok is used for pure entertainment and business as well
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/house-likely-pass-bill-ban-tiktok-sending-senate-rcna142797

TikTok, owned by China-based parent company ByteDance, has mounted an aggressive lobbying campaign to kill the legislation, arguing that it would violate the First Amendment rights of its 170 million U.S. users and harm thousands of small businesses that rely on it. "This process was secret and the bill was jammed through for one reason: its a ban," the company said on X.
Paul Tran, who, with his wife, has a skin care company called Love and Pebble, protested at a pro-TikTok rally outside the Capitol on Tuesday, with a message for members: You will be destroying small businesses like us; this is our livelihood. Weve created success."
He said their business nearly shut down last year until TikTok Shop came along and totally exploded our business. Now 90% of their business comes from the app, he said.
If you pass this bill, Tran said, you will be destroying the American Dream that we really believe in.
Despite that push, the bill sailed through the House, raising pressure on the Democratic-led Senate to act. President Joe Biden, whose 2024 campaign joined TikTok last month, has said that if the bill reaches his desk, he will sign it into law.
Outside the Capitol, a handful of young House Democrats Robert Garcia and Sarah Jacobs of California, Maxwell Frost of Florida and Delia Ramirez of Illinois rallied alongside TikTok creators to express their opposition to the bill.
Frost, 27, called himself a hell no on the bill and predicted that if the vote had been delayed by a week, opposition would have grown.
JT Laybourne, one of the creators, said he is disgusted to hear lawmakers mocking TikTok and the creators on it because millions of small businesses rely on it.

The ban is for social media owned by foreign adversaries. As much as Musk is a tool he's a US tool. Same with Twitch. If both of those end up banned as well for "some reason" There's alternatives to both.

I don't have twitch as like my primary income or anything, it's barely any income at all. I do it for fun. If there somehow ends up being ABSOLUTELY ZERO streaming sites left somehow... well I have all the memories and friends I made along the way.

You trying to turn this into a "BuT yOu'lL bE AfFectED ToO!' Doesn't phase me at all. I grew up before the internet was really even a thing, and my life doesnt revolve around it. I do make use of it for things like fun, news, and **** but if it all went away tomorrow... it'd be a pain to keep in contact with some friends, but it would be possible.

Also there's more studies that videogames can HELP with mental development than hinder it.
https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2013/11/video-games
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsos.202049
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-11-16-groundbreaking-new-study-says-time-spent-playing-video-games-can-be-good-your-well

Etc ETC

UnicornRaline posted...

The ban is for social media owned by foreign adversaries. As much as Musk is a tool he's a US tool. Same with Twitch.

So xenophobia. Which is something you said in your very first post that it wasn't the reason for your stance.

UnicornRaline posted...

Same with Twitch. If both of those end up banned as well for "some reason" There's alternatives to both.

I don't have twitch as like my primary income or anything, it's barely any income at all. I do it for fun. If there somehow ends up being ABSOLUTELY ZERO streaming sites left somehow... well I have all the memories and friends I made along the way.

You trying to turn this into a "BuT yOu'lL bE AfFectED ToO!' Doesn't phase me at all. I grew up before the internet was really even a thing, and my life doesnt revolve around it. I do make use of it for things like fun, news, and **** but if it all went away tomorrow... it'd be a pain to keep in contact with some friends, but it would be possible.

Also there's more studies that videogames can HELP with mental development than hinder it.
https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2013/11/video-games
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsos.202049
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-11-16-groundbreaking-new-study-says-time-spent-playing-video-games-can-be-good-your-well

Etc ETC

Why are you looking for alternatives if you're for social media's ban? If you think it should be banned then any alternatives should also obviously be banned if you're sincere about that. It sounds like you're just a huge hypocrite who wants your cake and to eat it too. The rest of your post is basically just "Fuck you, got mine" logic that conservatives use, which is ironic again since you're also someone that claims you hate conservatives. The thing you're still not getting is that you lose all those things... but for what? You really think losing all those things you have on social media including your Vtuber hobby is worth it because you actually think social media's existence is truly "ruining society"? If so, put your money where your mouth is and get off it first.

Yeah, and did you just forget my post where I posted many links that had social media also helping with mental development and education? The negative potentials you gave also applied with my own links about the negative potentials of video games too so you really don't have anything outside of hypocrisy.

UnicornRaline posted...

The ban is for social media owned by foreign adversaries. As much as Musk is a tool he's a US tool. Same with Twitch. If both of those end up banned as well for "some reason" There's alternatives to both.

I don't have twitch as like my primary income or anything, it's barely any income at all. I do it for fun. If there somehow ends up being ABSOLUTELY ZERO streaming sites left somehow... well I have all the memories and friends I made along the way.

You trying to turn this into a "BuT yOu'lL bE AfFectED ToO!' Doesn't phase me at all. I grew up before the internet was really even a thing, and my life doesnt revolve around it. I do make use of it for things like fun, news, and **** but if it all went away tomorrow... it'd be a pain to keep in contact with some friends, but it would be possible.

Also there's more studies that videogames can HELP with mental development than hinder it.
https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2013/11/video-games
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsos.202049
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-11-16-groundbreaking-new-study-says-time-spent-playing-video-games-can-be-good-your-well

Etc ETC

Citation needed.

Do we know when the ban takes effect? I want to know when to create my clearly American, first amendment themed account.

Revelation34 posted...

Citation needed.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7521/text

First line of the bill.

ImagineUsngAlts posted...

So xenophobia. Which is something you said in your very first post that it wasn't the reason for your stance.

Why are you looking for alternatives if you're for social media's ban? If you think it should be banned then any alternatives should also obviously be banned if you're sincere about that. It sounds like you're just a huge hypocrite who wants your cake and to eat it too. The rest of your post is basically just "Fuck you, got mine" logic that conservatives use, which is ironic again since you're also someone that claims you hate conservatives. The thing you're still not getting is that you lose all those things... but for what? You really think losing all those things you have on social media including your Vtuber hobby is worth it because you actually think social media's existence is truly "ruining society"? If so, put your money where your mouth is and get off it first.

Yeah, and did you just forget my post where I posted many links that had social media also helping with mental development and education? The negative potentials you gave also applied with my own links about the negative potentials of video games too so you really don't have anything outside of hypocrisy.

First point: Still not my own reasoning, also not pure xenophobia. TikTok had been shown before to be a horrible piece of software that basically acts as a keylogger

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2020/06/26/warning-apple-suddenly-catches-tiktok-secretly-spying-on-millions-of-iphone-users/?sh=249c084034ef

You genuinely seem like a very angry person.

The reason I can use social media just fine is because I'm not a developing youth and I don't put my own vision of self-worth in the hands of others, especially "influencers" or Hollywood actors. HOWEVER there are a LOT of people, younger and older who do, and they shouldn't. That's where a lot of the mental health issues spawn from, and to be honest it's just an extension of problems that have been going on for decades, long before social media was a thing.

There have been huge outcries against teen magazines for printing articles about how young people should act/dress/etc. There's been outcries against places using airbrushed photos of models "perpetuating an unrealistic body image" etc etc.

This isn't a NEW problem, it's just a new coat of paint.

Now here's the kicker right? I've always been against social media. I feel overall it makes people dumber and less socially aware. I use it yes, but it's a tool for me and nothing more.

The funniest part here is that you compared me, a trans woman, to a conservative. Made me just shake my head sadly. You're VERY close to fulfilling Godwin's Law. Though considering how conservatives in the US have been going you may as well have.

UnicornRaline posted...

First point: Still not my own reasoning, also not pure xenophobia. TikTok had been shown before to be a horrible piece of software that basically acts as a keylogger

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2020/06/26/warning-apple-suddenly-catches-tiktok-secretly-spying-on-millions-of-iphone-users/?sh=249c084034ef

If it's not your reasoning then you shouldn't be bringing it up as evidence. You specifically claimed the mental health effects was your only reasoning, not "what they're putting forth" yet you're using the "they're Chinese! It's different" logic anyway. Again, this is something that nearly every apps do.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/06/apple-and-google-phone-users-spied-on-through-phone-push-notifications.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/youtube-children-data-collection-privacy-google-ftc-a8296896.html
https://news.nd.edu/news/expert-says-twitter-spies-committed-espionage-but-broke-no-federal-privacy-laws-because-there-are-none/
https://www.reddit.com/r/technews/comments/1blcn9o/feds_ordered_google_to_unmask_certain_youtube/
https://www.wired.com/story/child-predators-twitch-russia-internet-regulator-security-roundup/

But I guess you yourself admitted your xenophobia (just not "pure xenophobia")

UnicornRaline posted...

You genuinely seem like a very angry person.

The reason I can use social media just fine is because I'm not a developing youth and I don't put my own vision of self-worth in the hands of others, especially "influencers" or Hollywood actors. HOWEVER there are a LOT of people, younger and older who do, and they shouldn't. That's where a lot of the mental health issues spawn from, and to be honest it's just an extension of problems that have been going on for decades, long before social media was a thing.

Now here's the kicker right? I've always been against social media. I feel overall it makes people dumber and less socially aware. I use it yes, but it's a tool for me and nothing more.

It's pretty reasonable to be angry at someone who seems like a close-minded hypocrite who has old-fashioned and bigoted logic.
Besides the fact that this is more "fuck you, got mine" conservative logic, the fact that you're an adult and thus more able to handle social media is irrelevant since the whole point is that your support of social media's ban would mean that all your own social media use (that is so important to you that you advertise it) would be ended, regardless if you're an adult or not. If you've always been against social media then you should get off it first. It doesn't matter if you're using it as a tool. You're still using it. Although I'm not sure how it's a tool. Sounds like you're using it as a hobby to try to meet and interact with others... you know, the whole "social" part of social media. Meanwhile, the people who actually use it as a tool, the businesses, who use it to market and aid their customers are something you've just completely ignored.

There have been huge outcries against teen magazines for printing articles about how young people should act/dress/etc. There's been outcries against places using airbrushed photos of models "perpetuating an unrealistic body image" etc etc.

This isn't a NEW problem, it's just a new coat of paint.

The funniest part here is that you compared me, a trans woman, to a conservative. Made me just shake my head sadly. You're VERY close to fulfilling Godwin's Law. Though considering how conservatives in the US have been going you may as well have.

And the solution to those is parents doing their job, at most some regulation, not banning them like some fascist state. Right it isn't a new problem, it's a new coat of paint... because it's exactly the same as the anti-video game hysteria from tech-illiterate old people in the 90s, which you're now buying into as you yourself have become older.
You can't be conservative because you're a minority? Ever heard of Caitlyn Jenner, Candace Owens, Milo Yiannopoulos, JK Rowling? The "I can't be conservative because I'm a minority" mentality is itself a sign of conservatism. If you truly hate conservatives then it's time to self-reflect on yourself and see how right-wing and conservative your logic is and not to continue going down that route with age.
Although I'll have to note that you claiming US conservatives fall under Godwin's law is YOU using Godwin's law since you're comparing conservatives to Nazis. I mean, I'm not saying you're wrong but it's another example of how hypocritical you are.

If it's not your reasoning then you shouldn't be bringing it up as evidence. You specifically claimed the mental health effects was your only reasoning, not "what they're putting forth" yet you're using the "they're Chinese! It's different" logic anyway. Again, this is something that nearly every apps do.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/06/apple-and-google-phone-users-spied-on-through-phone-push-notifications.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/youtube-children-data-collection-privacy-google-ftc-a8296896.html
https://news.nd.edu/news/expert-says-twitter-spies-committed-espionage-but-broke-no-federal-privacy-laws-because-there-are-none/
https://www.reddit.com/r/technews/comments/1blcn9o/feds_ordered_google_to_unmask_certain_youtube/
https://www.wired.com/story/child-predators-twitch-russia-internet-regulator-security-roundup/

But I guess you yourself admitted your xenophobia (just not "pure xenophobia")

You do know data sharing, while certainly nefarious, is far different than injecting a keylogger, right?

Sry4PartyRockin posted...

You do know data sharing, while certainly nefarious, is far different than injecting a keylogger, right?

The link was only about spying. Yeah, keylogging is pretty bad and is why there should be more regulations for privacy but what have they done with that keylogging? It's notable that all the articles on the keylogging (from back in 2022) also only have a vague "it can keylog", not that they've confirmed it's actually happening, which is pretty much the whole thing going on right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0eGnZf6RJs

UnicornRaline posted...

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7521/text

First line of the bill.

"The government never tells lies ever."

People love destroying platforms of free speech because they buy into the half assed propaganda they're spoonfed

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/006c0134.jpg

I would like for all social media to be banned

rexcrk posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/006c0134.jpg

Who's on the far left?