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I remember the post he's talking about, and it wasn't even doubting the claim. Just criticisng the choice of source.

Using doubting ADL to attempt to deny something like 88 is very questionable, let's be real.

If I didn't know about 88, and did know about ADL, I would've said the same as what Trumble said. Your reading comprehension is tainted by overvigilance.

You literally criticized the source specifically to doubt the claim, and only backed down when people called you out. Like, there was literally no reason to criticize the source unless you were doubting the claim, which you were.

So you'd think ADL was lying about... Nazi symbolism...?

Right, because encouraging the use of reputable sources instead of shitty ones is "literally no reason", right?

Speaking in general and not specifically about "88" (because you seem to struggle to understand the difference), ADL lying about Nazi symbolism is absolutely believable, I mean they claim "from the river to the sea" is Nazi symbolism.

And also to be clear, that does not mean "if ADL says something is a Nazi symbol, it's not". That means "check with another source, don't make any judgement either way based on what ADL says".

Why would you assume ADL would be a shitty source regarding Nazi symbolism, of all things, to the point where you appeared to be attempting to refute multiple posters about what 88 meant?

So you're literally using something from AFTER your initial argument to defend your argument from... Two years ago?

Interesting. Also, do you have a source for them saying that's Nazi symbolism?

When did it change from two months ago to two years ago?

Claiming that I was trying to deny it is not remotely believable.

You literally denied what it meant in that topic, only to "Well then you should have used a different source" later on after people called you out on it.

Then I'm sure you can quote where I actually denied the meaning rather than calling out use of a shitty source.

Why would you question the source if you weren't trying to deny what it meant? You have yet to explain that.

Post #101 should already give you a very good idea of why calling out bad sources and encouraging use of better ones is important.

No. I want to hear, in your own words, why you felt the need to call out the source if you thought what it was saying was true. Don't hide behind somebody else's post just because it's convenient.

Because people unaware of the claim's validity either way but aware of the source's reputation may be lead to believe it's a false claims. Just because I already know, and you already know, doesn't mean everyone else does.

Which post #101 gives an example of someone else who indeed would have thought that way, hence the relevance of pointing it out.

Okay, so what makes ADL so untrustworthy on Nazi symbolism matters? You claimed they called "from the river to the sea" Nazi symbolism. I asked for a source. Can you back that up? If you can, then I'll chalk it all up to a misunderstanding on my part, gladly.

And I gave one, albeit with the correction that they only claimed "anti-Semitic" rather than "Nazi", which is not a particularly significant difference in the context of ADL claims.

They rightfully said it was chanted by groups like Hamas, so in the context of the article as written, they were correct. That does not line up with what you said.

Yes, they mention Hamas as one group that has used it. Along with "anti-Israel demonstrations" which to them includes literally any criticism of Israel; a very VERY different situation from the likes of Hamas. It's basically a "Hitler drank water" type of argument.

That said, let me take this time to recant my statements. The fact you're even willing to debate this with me for so long suggests to me that you are, in fact, posting in good faith, and I more than likely misread your intentions. I withdraw my accusations, and I offer you an apology. I'm a natural skeptic, that's my own problem.

Now shake hands you two!

I'll definitely concede that I need to pay more attention to how things could be taken, and explicitly spelling it out when there's any confusion. Half the reason I often stick to meaningless shitposts about farting rather than serious discussions tbh.

Hes actually almost centrist

So you'd think ADL was lying about... Nazi symbolism...?

Aren't you the guy who posts "I love it, give me more!" about racist Youtube videos

That said, Zwijn is legit a troll, which he even admitted, so I'm not backing down there. Dude literally deleted all of his posts on his last account to avoid receipts.

In what world?

In the Dutch world. Circled is Wilders.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/4d1bdee3.jpg

Do you have a source that isn't an image of a generic template that anybody can fill out?

Certainly, heres the latest one.
https://home.kieskompas.nl/nl/is-kieskompas-een-stemwijzer/

Even with all his latest rhetoric about Islam and immigration hes still considered tame compared to actual nazis like FVD and corporate parties like BVNL.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/102b81fc.jpg

Googling people's opinions of that, the consensus appears to be that the left/right questions are very polarizing and not very nuanced, which leads to suspect accuracy, and the conservative vs. progressive is much more telling, so I feel like that lines up with what people are saying about Wilders, here. You appear to be arguing that people being MORE Nazi-like than Wilders makes Wilders not Nazi-like, which feels like a questionable argument.

I'll definitely concede that I need to pay more attention to how things could be taken, and explicitly spelling it out when there's any confusion. Half the reason I often stick to meaningless shitposts about farting rather than serious discussions tbh.

Honestly, you were always clear. There are some things that people are just always going to interpret in a bad framework, regardless of it conflicting with your actual syntax, and it increasingly seems like you can be as clear as possible and it just won't matter.

Even with all his latest rhetoric about Islam and immigration hes still considered tame compared to actual nazis like FVD and corporate parties like BVNL.

Youre going to have to do a lot of effort to make me vote for fucking Biden.

I'd love for anybody here to attempt to make a compelling argument for why not voting for Biden (which in reality, is the same as voting for Trump)

So if I vote Trump, I'm actually voting for him twice?
How the hell does Biden stand a chance when votes for him count as one, votes for his opponent counts as two, and votes for neither count as a vote for his opponent?

Because defeating Trump might be the most important thing any of us ever do in our entire lives

I'm sorry to hear that...... I think this is super important though, what results from not voting for Biden is the rebirth of Nazism and fascism, and the end of democracy. Millions will die, LGBT/women/minorities persecuted, Christian nationalism will sweep in like wildfire.