Board 8 > Tom Cruise and Bruce Willis are responsible for the sequel trilogy

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Makes sense. Abrams would have never gotten into directing movies if Cruise wasn't sufficiently impressed with his work on Alias, and Johnson's only wide release before TLJ starred Willis.

Pretty sure Disney would have made it regardless of who was involved.

Yeah I'm not entirely serious, it's just that in a way Cruise and Willis were responsible for unleashing Abrams and Johnson on the world. Although I genuinely think both are talented and Johnson in particular is PROBABLY more suited for the franchise than Abrams.

Holy shit

I also personally don't get the whole idea that the Star Wars sequel trilogy is misandrist, and the only reason it makes sense is if people were already biased against Rey being the focus instead of the original trilogy heroes. Otherwise by that logic 99.99999% of all movies ever made are very misogynistic.

This is the story of a girl
Who cried a river and drowned the whole world
And while she looked so sad in photographs
I absolutely love her
When she smiles

Now how many days in a year
She woke up with hope
But she only found tears
And I can be so insincere
Making her promises never for real
As long as she stands there waiting
Wearing the holes in the soles of her shoes
Now how many days disappear
When you look in the mirror
So how do you choose

Your clothes never wear as well the next day
And your hair never falls in quite the same way
You never seem to run out of things to say

This is the story of a girl
Who cried a river and drowned the whole world
And while she looked so sad in photographs
I absolutely love her
When she smiles

Now how many lovers would stay
Just to put up with this shit day after day
Now how did we wind up this way
Watching our mouths for the words that we say
As long as we stand here waiting
Wearing the clothes or the soles that we choose
Now how do we get there today
When we're walking too far for the price of our shoes

Your clothes never wear as well the next day
And your hair never falls in quite the same way
But you never seem to run out of things to say

This is the story of a girl
Who cried a river and drowned the whole world
And while she looks so sad and lonely there
I absolutely love her
When she smiles

Well your clothes never wear as well the next day
And your hair never falls in quite the same way
You never seem to run out of things to say

This is the story of a girl
Who cried a river and drowned the whole world
And while she looks so sad in photographs
I absolutely love her

This is the story of a girl
Whose pretty face she hid from the world
And while she looks so sad and lonely there
I absolutely love her

This is the story of a girl
Who cried a river and drowned the whole world
And while she looked so sad in photographs
I absolutely love her
When she smiles
When she smiles!

LinkMarioSamus posted...

I also personally don't get the whole idea that the Star Wars sequel trilogy is misandrist, and the only reason it makes sense is if people were already biased against Rey being the focus instead of the original trilogy heroes. Otherwise by that logic 99.99999% of all movies ever made are very misogynistic.

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you need to find more productive ways of getting attention. maybe learn an instrument or take up poetry

NFUN posted...

you need to find more productive ways of getting attention. maybe learn an instrument or take up poetry

what are you talking about

LMS posts are the definition of poetry

NFUN posted...

you need to find more productive ways of getting attention.

I truly believe he thinks about these things all the time, he's writing his thesis

Warned. Worth it.

Huh?

I genuinely think the sequel trilogy amounts to more of how '80s or '90s Hollywood would have followed up the original trilogy. And by Hollywood I mean not George Lucas.

Did you ever think that The Minority Report was an homage to Tom Cruise indirectly being responsible for the sequel trilogy?

LinkMarioSamus posted...

I genuinely think the sequel trilogy amounts to more of how '80s or '90s Hollywood would have followed up the original trilogy. And by Hollywood I mean not George Lucas.

What does this mean?

Makes sense

KanzarisKelshen posted...

What does this mean?

It just kind of feels like the trilogy owes at least as much to other sci-fi and action movies of the '80s and '90s as it does to the previous six movies if not more. Doesn't help that Abrams directed Super 8 (a bigtime homage to Spielberg's past work) and that the screenwriter of Raiders of the Lost Ark has a co-writing credit on The Force Awakens (when his only previous brush with Star Wars was a screenplay credit on Empire Strikes Back).

LinkMarioSamus posted...

It just kind of feels like the trilogy owes at least as much to other sci-fi and action movies of the '80s and '90s as it does to the previous six movies if not more. Doesn't help that Abrams directed Super 8 (a bigtime homage to Spielberg's past work) and that the screenwriter of Raiders of the Lost Ark has a co-writing credit on The Force Awakens (when his only previous brush with Star Wars was a screenplay credit on Empire Strikes Back).

Can you like, name a specific work that influences the sequel trilogy's feel at all

Because I frankly don't agree with this. I can't recall a single non-arthouse 80s or 90s movie (and I would bet all the money in the world that arthouse anything did not enter the discussion for it) that does the 'spend 30 minutes following people with no names whom you know little about' thing that The Force Awakens does, for example. I feel this is more having a pet hypothesis and wanting to force it than something substantiated. Open to being convinced with examples tho.

Abrams's movies in particular feel like they take after Indiana Jones at least somewhat given their focus on MacGuffins. Again, given Abrams previously directed Super 8 and Raiders of the Lost Ark's screenwriter had a writing credit on The Force Awakens, I can't help but think there's no coincidence - and I know at least one review of TFA at the time did cite Kasdan's previous work on Indy as influencing the movie. Not to mention producer Kathleen Kennedy's involvement on every prior movie in that franchise to boot. Though maybe I'm just seeing Indiana Jones everywhere because he's my favorite fictional character and I think about him a lot?

There's also the whole deal about people who feel like the sequel trilogy might as well be MCU movies. I have never agreed with that given how none of the things both have in common were invented by the MCU...but given how much influence the MCU itself takes from '80s sci-fi and action movies like Lethal Weapon and RoboCop, I can't help but wonder if the sequel trilogy had similar influences to at least some extent.

KanzarisKelshen posted...

Can you like, name a specific work that influences the sequel trilogy's feel at all

Because I frankly don't agree with this. I can't recall a single non-arthouse 80s or 90s movie (and I would bet all the money in the world that arthouse anything did not enter the discussion for it) that does the 'spend 30 minutes following people with no names whom you know little about' thing that The Force Awakens does, for example. I feel this is more having a pet hypothesis and wanting to force it than something substantiated. Open to being convinced with examples tho.

These aren't his own opinions, he's only capable of regurgitating whatever opinion the youtubers told him to have.

LinkMarioSamus posted...

Abrams's movies in particular feel like they take after Indiana Jones at least somewhat given their focus on MacGuffins. Again, given Abrams previously directed Super 8 and Raiders of the Lost Ark's screenwriter had a writing credit on The Force Awakens, I can't help but think there's no coincidence - and I know at least one review of TFA at the time did cite Kasdan's previous work on Indy as influencing the movie. Not to mention producer Kathleen Kennedy's involvement on every prior movie in that franchise to boot. Though maybe I'm just seeing Indiana Jones everywhere because he's my favorite fictional character and I think about him a lot?

There's also the whole deal about people who feel like the sequel trilogy might as well be MCU movies. I have never agreed with that given how none of the things both have in common were invented by the MCU...but given how much influence the MCU itself takes from '80s sci-fi and action movies like Lethal Weapon and RoboCop, I can't help but wonder if the sequel trilogy had similar influences to at least some extent.

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