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papercup
03/22/24 12:12:02 PM
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Ive been a Fire Emblem fan ever since 7 released in the west, played almost all of them since then. Last one I played was Fates, which I found an extremely off putting game. From the weird, nonsensical story, overly sexualized characters, weird relationship mechanics, strangely dark and glossed over themes, poor map design, etc etc. I just didnt even bother after that. Awakening also had some of these problems, but that was just a more overall enjoyable game. Fates just took these problems to a level that killed my interest in the series for a long time.
So are the switch games better, and actually emphasize strategy, or are they still designed for thirsty weebs first and foremost?

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Revelation34
03/22/24 12:34:06 PM
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papercup posted...
Ive been a Fire Emblem fan ever since 7 released in the west, played almost all of them since then. Last one I played was Fates, which I found an extremely off putting game. From the weird, nonsensical story, overly sexualized characters, weird relationship mechanics, strangely dark and glossed over themes, poor map design, etc etc. I just didnt even bother after that. Awakening also had some of these problems, but that was just a more overall enjoyable game. Fates just took these problems to a level that killed my interest in the series for a long time.
So are the switch games better, and actually emphasize strategy, or are they still designed for thirsty weebs first and foremost?

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ReturnOfFa
03/22/24 12:50:32 PM
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You probably won't enjoy them based on your observations.

I couldn't endure playing Three Houses because I don't care about all the school crap. I like the Support Conversations in older games but like...I don't play FE to walk around finding people to talk to.

I'm passively enjoying Engage for the gameplay. It ditched all the school crap which I'm happy for, but the storyline is completely absurd and the characters are basically weeb avatars that don't seem realistic whatsoever. I mean, I know that characters had anime coloured hair in the GBA ones but at least they seemed like a squad of warriors...

so if you can set aside all the goofy shit Engage is enjoyable for the gameplay. at least for me. honestly the graphics are very good but all the characters are absurd.

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TheSlinja
03/22/24 1:36:48 PM
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I also hated fates for those reasons and three houses is my fav FE game, i think they did a lot better with all that but ymmv

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ParanoidObsessive
03/22/24 6:18:57 PM
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From what I've picked up from Fire Emblem fans by osmosis, apparently Three Houses is one of the best in the franchise while Engage kind of sucks.

But if it was up to me I'd probably rather play Three Hopes.

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CyborgSage00x0
03/22/24 6:26:22 PM
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Hard to say, especially if you were kinda meh about Awakening. The series could a hard evolutionary turn from then on out, so any resembling FE7 or FE8 is long-since dead and not coming back.

They both have a similar "hub" mechanic that functions like X-Com (that series itself which functions a lot like FE) in between battles/missions, with Three Houses being the school/monastery, and Engage being it's own castle town thing. General agreement is TH has the much better story (with 3 different stories (well, technically 4) in one game that branch out, giving it good replayability), and good combat/mechanics, while Engage has a very generic story with few surprises, but the Engage battle mechanic puts a wildly different spin on the combat (and ditches the min-army mechanic thing from TH that no one liked).

I.e., both are really well liked for their own reasons, but TH is generally considered the stronger entry. Be warned, the hub mechanics are a pretty big element of the game, and they do tend to drag on (although you can ignore and skip past the stuff that shouldn't ignore).

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LinkPizza
03/22/24 7:44:11 PM
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Many people seem to like Three Houses. While I enjoy the gameplay, I wasnt really big on the school thing. But I think the school stuff can help with a lot of things, so

As for Engage, I had fun with it. The gameplay isnt bad. And in the case of both games, there is a lot of customization for all the characters. Especially Engage

ParanoidObsessive posted...
But if it was up to me I'd probably rather play Three Hopes.

I love Three Hopes, though its more of a Warriors game, which I have no idea if thats what papercups is looking for. But I would also recommend Three Hopes

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agesboy
03/22/24 8:07:04 PM
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three houses is a very, very different kind of FE game. everyone can become anything, the weapon triangle basically doesn't matter, and there's tons of downtime between battles to tweak your army. for a lot of people, way too much time. the story starts out intriguing but completely loses steam by the halfway point.

engage feels like a return to form pre-fates, character designs are wacky and the story is boring. but DAMN the gameplay is fire. battle animations are cool too- characters' attack strings will actually upgrade (visually) within their own class as they level up

three hopes is a fun badass musou game, 10/10 i love shez. the story compounds on what you know from three houses pretty heavily even though you're starting from around the same point, though. the previous main character is your new main character's personal lu bu. it's amazing and it has a demo.

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SpeedDemon20
03/22/24 8:50:00 PM
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Awakening kinda influenced every game afterwards, so characters have like one gimmick and that's their entire personality.

In terms of gameplay, 3H, you don't really recruit units like you do in regular games. You should plan to have a core of units and use them for the whole game.

Engage is very similar to Awakening. It has the same leveling system with second seals and a world map with extra maps for grinding. You still want a set of core units because the extra maps scale with you, so once a unit gets left behind, it's very hard to catch up.

3H also has NG+ and you can buy skills and combat arts you've mastered before.

Both games have the monastery stuff you do after a battle, kinda like Fates, but so much worse. I didn't like it I'm 3H and then Engage makes it worse. In Engage, they give stat bonuses, so you should probably do it, but it's so tedious.

Between the two, I would recommend 3H.

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papercup
03/22/24 8:56:23 PM
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Yeah I played the first FE Warriors game and enjoyed it a ton. Never played Three Hopes because I never played Three Houses

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agesboy
03/22/24 9:33:40 PM
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SpeedDemon20 posted...
I didn't like it I'm 3H and then Engage makes it worse. In Engage, they give stat bonuses, so you should probably do it, but it's so tedious.
you can outright ignore the base 95% of the time in engage and do just fine, you can't just ignore the base in 3H because it's half the game. when you're talking about stat bonuses, are you talking about meals or something? because you had to do a LOOOOT more meals in 3H. after getting a higher professor rank there's basically nothing to spend activity points on except meals

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SpeedDemon20
03/22/24 11:09:10 PM
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agesboy posted...
you can outright ignore the base 95% of the time
That's exactly what I do, in both games.

Alfred wants you to do squats for some stats and you can cook for stats. But if you're gonna cook, you have to collect materials for it too, which are scattered around the map or you have to play a mini game for it.

I don't feel that was as big an issue in 3H because a lot of the activities were useless and you can outright skip them, as long as you're maxing out your students' happiness.

I'd rather not have any monastery stuff. It puts too long of a pause on the game and story.

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agesboy
03/22/24 11:41:27 PM
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with the somniel pretty much everything was either useless minigame fluff (which imo is fine, someone out there likes it) or lasted for one battle; the monastery felt like all the weekly shit was towards building a stronger final army, so i felt more compelled to do stuff in 3H than engage

the monastery giving me stat boosters each week by itself makes the explore worth it, even if i spend the rest of my time training students i'll never use because this is a solo maddening non-ng+ run

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Kimbos_Egg
03/22/24 11:45:30 PM
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three houses are great, engage is the worst dogshit ever.

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agesboy
03/23/24 12:03:23 AM
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three houses feels overambitious and engage feels underambitious

i have a hard time figuring out which i like more but it's probably 3H because edelgard <3

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papercup
03/23/24 12:07:39 AM
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Yeah I remember being kinda meh on the castle stuff in Fates. A simple menu isnt as flashy as a big explorable space, but its less tedious.

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GanonsSpirit
03/23/24 12:13:33 AM
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3 Houses is one of the best games in the series. Engage has an embarrassing story and characters, but really, really good gameplay. Engage also has what is probably my favorite chapter in the series.

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Kimbos_Egg
03/23/24 12:29:35 AM
#18:


agesboy posted...
three houses feels overambitious and engage feels underambitious

i have a hard time figuring out which i like more but it's probably 3H because edelgard <3

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ConfusedTorchic
03/23/24 2:54:50 AM
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i liked what i played of 3h, but i dropped it about towards the end of whatever storyline i was on because it became way too easy and i lost interest

also

fuck edelgard all my homies rep bernadetta

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Nichtcrawler-X
03/23/24 10:03:36 AM
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papercup posted...
strangely dark and glossed over themes,

3 Houses is unapologetically dark, with no real designated good guys. Think more factions based on differences in politics, like say Three Kingdoms or Legend of the Galactic Heroes, with no-one being pure white or black, but all just differing shades of grey.

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agesboy
03/23/24 1:05:07 PM
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except edelgard she's done nothing wrong <3

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ParanoidObsessive
03/23/24 2:13:27 PM
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Nichtcrawler-X posted...
3 Houses is unapologetically dark, with no real designated good guys.

Those That Slither in the Dark are obviously the good guys.



Though as for player factions, the easiest way to describe it is that every faction thinks it's the good guys, and that they're doing the right things for the right reasons, but pretty much everyone is wrong about something. So in the end, everybody can wind up as an enemy to everyone else. And most of the conflict could be solved in about 15 minutes if everyone would just sit down and talk about things. But everyone's the hero of their own story - and you really only start seeing the ways in which they're wrong is if you play the other paths as well.

Though it's been pointed out that the color scheme itself can influence the perceptions of people who've played Fire Emblem games for a long time - the Kingdom is blue (the traditional color of the player's units), the Church is green (allied units), the Alliance is yellow (neutral units), and the Empire is red (enemy units). So more experienced players may be influenced into thinking Dmitri's path is the "good" one, the Church is your ally, the Alliance is mostly a distraction, and the Empire is the true enemy.

But as has been said, Edelgard is obviously the real hero of the game. Black Eagles/Crimson Flower best timeline.

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agesboy
03/23/24 2:17:09 PM
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all my homies hate rhea

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ReturnOfFa
03/23/24 2:22:58 PM
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it seems like people really like Three Houses and they say that you can skip all the school stuff. I should give it another chance.

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Revelation34
03/23/24 3:36:18 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...


Those That Slither in the Dark are obviously the good guys.



Though as for player factions, the easiest way to describe it is that every faction thinks it's the good guys, and that they're doing the right things for the right reasons, but pretty much everyone is wrong about something. So in the end, everybody can wind up as an enemy to everyone else. And most of the conflict could be solved in about 15 minutes if everyone would just sit down and talk about things. But everyone's the hero of their own story - and you really only start seeing the ways in which they're wrong is if you play the other paths as well.

Though it's been pointed out that the color scheme itself can influence the perceptions of people who've played Fire Emblem games for a long time - the Kingdom is blue (the traditional color of the player's units), the Church is green (allied units), the Alliance is yellow (neutral units), and the Empire is red (enemy units). So more experienced players may be influenced into thinking Dmitri's path is the "good" one, the Church is your ally, the Alliance is mostly a distraction, and the Empire is the true enemy.

But as has been said, Edelgard is obviously the real hero of the game. Black Eagles/Crimson Flower best timeline.


Only if they're incredibly stupid.

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agesboy
03/23/24 3:39:15 PM
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i think it's a fair assumption for average gamers

probably a fair initial assumption for everyone, given how the nations are presented at first. but got dam rhea got on my nerves so fast

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Revelation34
03/23/24 3:41:54 PM
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agesboy posted...
i think it's a fair assumption for average gamers

probably a fair initial assumption for everyone, given how the nations are presented at first. but got dam rhea got on my nerves so fast


If it's a Japanese made game then the church is ALWAYS the evil one.

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SpeedDemon20
03/23/24 4:54:35 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
if everyone would just sit down and talk about things
They do that on the best route a bit before the final chapter.
https://fireemblem.fandom.com/wiki/Our_Chosen_Paths/Script#Event:_Questions_and_Answers


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DemonicChaosXX
03/23/24 5:26:23 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
From what I've picked up from Fire Emblem fans by osmosis, apparently Three Houses is one of the best in the franchise while Engage kind of sucks.

But if it was up to me I'd probably rather play Three Hopes.
Would you recommend three Hopes to someone who didn't like Houses?

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ParanoidObsessive
03/23/24 5:47:56 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
Only if they're incredibly stupid.

Never underestimate the size and power of that particular demographic!



SpeedDemon20 posted...
They do that on the best route a bit before the final chapter.

Yeah, but that's a "Way too little, way too late" sort of moment. The time where talk would have helped was way earlier, before everyone was pot-committed to the war.

Also, Azure Moon? Ick. Not even once.



DemonicChaosXX posted...
Would you recommend three Hopes to someone who didn't like Houses?

It would depend on what you didn't like about Three Houses, honestly.

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Nichtcrawler-X
03/23/24 6:03:05 PM
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SpeedDemon20 posted...
They do that on the best route a bit before the final chapter.

Blue Lions is the only time in any FE story where I went: "Wait, are we the badguys?" and Dimitri only continued to terrify me more and more as a person and I was seriously wondering why we were letting him be in charge.

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DemonicChaosXX
03/23/24 6:28:56 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
It would depend on what you didn't like about Three Houses, honestly.
I hated the lack of a clear villain, and how they had to put TwSitSh to fit it...but ultimately those guys had NO role in the story.

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ParanoidObsessive
03/23/24 6:36:58 PM
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DemonicChaosXX posted...
I hated the lack of a clear villain, and how they had to put TwSitSh to fit it...but ultimately those guys had NO role in the story.

Three Hopes is pretty much the same, though depending on the path TwSitS are much more significant villains and you can oppose them more directly.

The closest thing Hopes has to a clear villain is Byleth - and you can even subvert that if you choose to give up your quest for vengeance and refuse to kill them.

Hopes has a more ambiguous ending, though. The war doesn't actually end, and it's implied things are going to keep happening even after the game ends. And your main character arguably has less influence on the lords you can side with (though it also avoids the time skip, so they also don't have some of the dramatic changes they go through in Houses).

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DemonicChaosXX
03/23/24 6:50:58 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Three Hopes is pretty much the same, though depending on the path TwSitS are much more significant villains and you can oppose them more directly.

The closest thing Hopes has to a clear villain is Byleth - and you can even subvert that if you choose to give up your quest for vengeance and refuse to kill them.

Hopes has a more ambiguous ending, though. The war doesn't actually end, and it's implied things are going to keep happening even after the game ends. And your main character arguably has less influence on the lords you can side with (though it also avoids the time skip, so they also don't have some of the dramatic changes they go through in Houses).
I'm still curious, tbh.

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agesboy
03/23/24 9:23:17 PM
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DemonicChaosXX posted...
Would you recommend three Hopes to someone who didn't like Houses?
it depends on why you didn't like houses

it resolves a very early plot point that made characters be dumb, but the war is going to happen regardless. it's no golden route, so to speak. edelgard's still going to be the same person she is, same with the others

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