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ProfOaksAide
03/25/24 1:13:22 AM
#351:


X8Azazel8X posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/27a42419.jpg

So your definition is not the actual definition.

The X-Men and marginalized with in society because they are looked down upon thought of as less then human, and scorned.

Yes you can fly around in a jet.....have superpowers enough to destroy the world, and yet still be marginalized.....

Isn't that something? Sounds like things that happen on real life....like maybe a certain president in my signature. Begins with an O....

And even then there are several story archs in the franchise where attempts are made (and some succeed) in taking the mutants powers away. Like, does anyone actually care about comics anymore lol


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Zikten
03/25/24 1:15:56 AM
#352:


I think in the comics Sentinels will kill a mutant child on sight, even if their only power is something harmless like they can make their eyes change color
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Aloc
03/25/24 1:19:11 AM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/5578d1da.jpg

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omniryu
03/25/24 1:21:53 AM
#354:


Zikten posted...
I think in the comics Sentinels will kill a mutant child on sight, even if their only power is something harmless like they can make their eyes change color
Pretty much happens in real life to this day.

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omniryu
03/25/24 1:26:37 AM
#355:


Aloc posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/5578d1da.jpg
Which does not negate what we said about an allegory. Someone who is bad with power, you Check them. Tookie Williams, founder of the crip. Bin laden, AL queda. You check them.
Just like you should send the Sentinels after them. You shouldn't program the Sentinels to go after a harmless mutant kid. Just like you shouldn't drop a bomb a Muslim kid.

Is this getting through to you? You do see the parallel right?

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GuerillaGorilla
03/25/24 1:30:15 AM
#356:


omniryu posted...
Which does not negate what we said about an allegory. Someone who is bad with power, you Check them. Tookie Williams, founder of the crip. Bin laden, AL queda. You check them.
Just like you should send the Sentinels after them. You shouldn't program the Sentinels to go after a harmless mutant kid. Just like you shouldn't drop a bomb a Muslim kid.

Is this getting through to you? You do see the parallel right?
350 posts in and we're still going at it, repeating the same thing. At this point OP title is referring to Aloc.

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omniryu
03/25/24 1:32:20 AM
#357:


GuerillaGorilla posted...
350 posts in and we're still going at it, repeating the same thing. At this point OP title is referring to Aloc.
Damn, you might be right. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt.

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VeesMcGees
03/25/24 5:58:12 AM
#358:


omniryu posted...
So here's my question to you guys. What do you think is going to happen when X men (in full) will appear in the MCU? Because if discrimination happens and we get a January 6 like event in the MCU discrimination... wouldn't they just say, "Oh! X-men had gone WOKE!!"
Disney is too cowardly to seriously handle a topic like discrimination in the MCU for fear of being called woke, even though X-Men stories have been dealing with the subject for decades across all forms of media. The desire for the franchise to only be the most basic of action blockbusters, combined with the failure of the inoffensive but boring "The Marvels" and Iger seeming to side with or at least believe the vocal minority complaining about diversity.
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omniryu
03/25/24 8:59:08 AM
#359:


VeesMcGees posted...
Disney is too cowardly to seriously handle a topic like discrimination in the MCU for fear of being called woke, even though X-Men stories have been dealing with the subject for decades across all forms of media. The desire for the franchise to only be the most basic of action blockbusters, combined with the failure of the inoffensive but boring "The Marvels" and Iger seeming to side with or at least believe the vocal minority complaining about diversity.
The marvels had other problems. I have a topic I will link soon but I will give my take here. The movie felt like it doesn't have impact and the shenanigans could have been dialed back a bit.
Also, if they can't even show that kind of x men, you are going to have a very boring X men in the MCU.

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yemmy
03/25/24 9:13:15 AM
#360:


Ive been wondering how bad Blackrock and Vanguard was gonna fumble the bag when it came to the X-men cartoon remake.

theyve already managed to ruin Star Wars, TMNT, Transformers, fuckin everything from the 80s or early 90s that I loved growing up

Thats the one clip Ive seen and its enough for me to know that it was probably worse than expected

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KogaSteelfang
03/25/24 9:35:05 AM
#361:


yemmy posted...
Thats the one clip Ive seen and its enough for me to know that it was probably worse than expected
It's actually really good and touches on a lot of surprisingly mature topics for a Disney cartoon.

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Zwijn
03/25/24 9:36:00 AM
#362:


yemmy posted...
Ive been wondering how bad Blackrock and Vanguard was gonna fumble the bag when it came to the X-men cartoon remake.

theyve already managed to ruin Star Wars, TMNT, Transformers, fuckin everything from the 80s or early 90s that I loved growing up

Thats the one clip Ive seen and its enough for me to know that it was probably worse than expected
Yeah you didnt like those for what they actually were, guarantee that if you would watch those now for the first time youd call them woke.
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lolife67
03/25/24 9:36:06 AM
#363:


yemmy posted...
Thats the one clip Ive seen and its enough for me to know that it was probably worse than expected
How so?
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cjsdowg
03/26/24 5:15:41 PM
#364:


Also another bone to pick with likening X-men to African Americans. They hardly are ever any African Americans on the fucking team. Look at this from the next big book. Not one African American on this cover. There are more Lizards than African Americans. Note there are Black people in form of Storm and Gateway. But I'm speaking of African Americans. 700 issues of X men and we get nothing. Not even fucking Bishop on the cover who seems to have just vanished.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/126240e6.jpg

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Charged151
03/26/24 7:40:46 PM
#365:


cjsdowg posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/126240e6.jpg
It's cute Magneto of all people is pushing Xavier around. Guess they can get along when they want to.

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Zikten
03/27/24 2:58:58 AM
#366:


Charged151 posted...
It's cute Magneto of all people is pushing Xavier around. Guess they can get along when they want to.
I think currently in the comics, Magneto is a hero and a member of the xmen. I know he was in 2012 (most recent era of xmen I have read)
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Sufferedphoenix
03/27/24 6:48:41 AM
#367:


cjsdowg posted...
Also another bone to pick with likening X-men to African Americans. They hardly are ever any African Americans on the fucking team. Look at this from the next big book. Not one African American on this cover. There are more Lizards than African Americans. Note there are Black people in form of Storm and Gateway. But I'm speaking of African Americans. 700 issues of X men and we get nothing. Not even fucking Bishop on the cover who seems to have just vanished.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/126240e6.jpg

It's called demographics. Lee knew the vast majority of comic readers where white.

Making them black would have been a gamble back then. It may have drawn in new readers but black people where already accustomed to having to deal with most fictional characters being white so it was also likely they generally wherent interested in comics.

Also maybe the point was to subtly show white people discrimination cause let's face it had they been black white people back then definitely wouldn't have been as interested

Even today I'm betting most comic readers are white men. It's a dying industry propped up by stuff like movies and TV shows. So if they ever do decide to make new characters to represent minorities I hope they do a movie or TV show first cause testing the waters by making a comic would probably end bad.

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Zikten
03/27/24 6:54:01 AM
#368:


The comics already have made new characters. Many times. Kamala Khan is one of the more recent ones. The Marvel Universe began in 1961 but it started with literally just the Fantastic Four. Everyone else all were later creations. Even with the xmen, not every character debuted at the same time. Wolverine didn't even pop up til like the late 70s I think

Anyway, modern Marvel and DC both have a ton of minority characters now
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Sufferedphoenix
03/27/24 7:02:50 AM
#369:


Zikten posted...
The comics already have made new characters. Many times. Kamala Khan is one of the more recent ones. The Marvel Universe began in 1961 but it started with literally just the Fantastic Four. Everyone else all were later creations. Even with the xmen, not every character debuted at the same time. Wolverine didn't even pop up til like the late 70s I think

Anyway, modern Marvel and DC both have a ton of minority characters now

Yeah times are different. Like when I first started watching DBZ it was majority white teens that liked it. Now the black community seems to love it too. Hell knew a 60 some year old black guy that lives super.

Think nerd culture becoming more popular in general opened the door to a bunch of different groups starting to get into it.

I can see why the actual comics ain't doing so hot though. Like 3 bucks for a issue that's what 27 pages and takes 5 minutes to read?

I honestly think they should ditch single issue comics and just make graphic novels. Can still be a ongoing story just sell them in larger chunks

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Zikten
03/27/24 7:06:49 AM
#370:


While you may have a good idea with the graphic novel idea, there is another way to get comics. Both companies have apps now that are like Netflix for comics

DC Universe Infinite
Marvel Unlimited

Both let you read as much as you want for a monthly fee. Marvel is I think 3 months behind the new comics though. That is the tradeoff

DC is 6 months behind, unless you pay for the over 100 dollar annual premium subscription tier. Then you are only 1 month behind new releases

But the basic sub for both is about 10 bucks a month. And they both have thousands of comics
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Sufferedphoenix
03/27/24 7:14:33 AM
#371:


Zikten posted...
While you may have a good idea with the graphic novel idea, there is another way to get comics. Both companies have apps now that are like Netflix for comics

DC Universe Infinite
Marvel Unlimited

Both let you read as much as you want for a monthly fee. Marvel is I think 3 months behind the new comics though. That is the tradeoff

DC is 6 months behind, unless you pay for the over 100 dollar annual premium subscription tier. Then you are only 1 month behind new releases

But the basic sub for both is about 10 bucks a month. And they both have thousands of comics

Yeah not trying to get another sub to something. And I do prefer physical. I have read comics online it was meh.

Shame my local comic shop closed. But idk what they where thinking opening in a small rural town. They actually had 2 store fronts one was for selling comics and nerd culture merchandise in general the other was for stuff like magic the gathering tournaments and such. They lasted like all of half a year

They did piss me off lol had almost the entirety of a mini series. Wad missing issue number 1. Had to find that online...well I just read it online and called it a day.

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cjsdowg
03/27/24 7:59:56 AM
#372:


Sufferedphoenix posted...
Making them black would have been a gamble back then. It may have drawn in new readers but black people where already accustomed to having to deal with most fictional characters being white so it was also likely they generally wherent interested in comics.
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This isn't about back then, this is about things now. And the lack of a African American X in general and on this cover . The got the fucking Cocos but not Bishop, and let's not even get into what the movie did to Dawin.

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The_Sock
03/27/24 9:17:18 PM
#373:


To me, my X-Men.

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omniryu
03/27/24 9:42:50 PM
#374:


The_Sock posted...
To me, my X-Men.


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Red_XIV
03/28/24 5:29:26 PM
#375:


Sufferedphoenix posted...
Also maybe the point was to subtly show white people discrimination cause let's face it had they been black white people back then definitely wouldn't have been as interested
Exactly, they wouldn't have been able to do storylines about discrimination if the X-Men were black, it would be too obvious what they were doing at a time when racial discrimination was not just acceptable but outright popular in large swaths of America.

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Roachmeat
03/28/24 5:56:34 PM
#376:


Smashingpmkns posted...
Man a lot of people ITT would be X-Men villains

Funny you post that, since that is literally why Rogue is my second favorite MARVEL character ever:

I would hate to have to fight her as a villian. She only has to touch you to gain your powers, she is already near invulnerable and she can fly.

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