Current Events > Have you heard many people say that most people are ruder and more

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aggressive since the pandemic? Do you agree with this though?

sure is true though

I'm definitely noticed it, and wth is the deal with people forgetting how to properly operate a motor vehicle.

Hollows posted...

I'm definitely noticed it, and wth is the deal with people forgetting how to properly operate a motor vehicle.

you mean like much worse drivers, are the drivers mostly angrier too?

Cant say that its the case here. Maybe elsewhere.

Very few people can actually drive here though. I have colleagues who are licensed to drive cars despite never having driven one, which explains a lot.

GranTurismo posted...

you mean like much worse drivers, are the drivers mostly angrier too?

Both I'm afraid. Road rage is up, people shooting each other. Running red lights has become really bad too, people acting like there isn't even a damn light there.

Yes the 'GAF' levels are at an all-time low. Even the products people make are failing at an astronomical level. And that those goes to quality control and just giving af about your fellow man.

Also driving is more scary than ever imo

Glob posted...

Cant say that its the case here. Maybe elsewhere.

Very few people can actually drive here though. I have colleagues who are licensed to drive cars despite never having driven one, which explains a lot.

vietnam right? so all motorists in vietnam and u.k. must be insured? iirc every american motorist is required by law to have it

ShotOJameson posted...

Yes the 'GAF' levels are at an all-time low. Even the products people make are failing at an astronomical level. And that those goes to quality control and just giving af about your fellow man.

"care about your fellow man?" was that still most people even before the pandemic?

GranTurismo posted...

vietnam right? so all motorists in vietnam and u.k. must be insured? iirc every american motorist is required by law to have it

In the UK, yes.

In Vietnam, traffic laws are simply not enforced. Most drivers have no license or insurance. Traffic lights, lanes, pavements and speed limits are ignored. Its completely different to the UK.

I do feel it's true, anecdotal evidence, of course. Could be typical boomer thinking.

In my mind, though, zoomers grew to see how millennials were betrayed, and as such, realized the world doesn't reward politeness. Boomers ruled by screwing over others, so why shouldn't we?

Hollows posted...

I'm definitely noticed it, and wth is the deal with people forgetting how to properly operate a motor vehicle.

This x1000

Glob posted...

In the UK, yes.

In Vietnam, traffic laws are simply not enforced. Most drivers have no license or insurance. Traffic lights, lanes, pavements and speed limits are ignored. Its completely different to the UK.

what if there is an accident?

GranTurismo posted...

what if there is an accident?

They occur frequently.

Generally people just exchange money and go on their way.

Glob posted...

They occur frequently.

Generally people just exchange money and go on their way.

sad, there can be disputes with that though. Saw one incident in u.s. dude wanted payment right there in a country with insurance and badly beat the guy

It depends on the place and also goes hand in hand with cynicism. The less cynical somewhere is the less rude people are there. Of course, it's getting harder to not be cynical in this age.

UT1999 posted...

sad, there can be disputes with that though. Saw one incident in u.s. dude wanted payment right there in a country with insurance and badly beat the guy

Violence is very rare in Hanoi.

Normally, the amount of money exchanged is tiny. A few dollars at most. Its more about one party accepting blame than any real damages.

Snip-N-Snails posted...

It depends on the place and also goes hand in hand with cynicism. The less cynical somewhere is the less rude people are there. Of course, it's getting harder to not be cynical in this age.

the less cynical somewhere is? where are these less less cynical places?

Glob posted...

Violence is very rare in Hanoi.

Normally, the amount of money exchanged is tiny. A few dollars at most. Its more about one party accepting blame than any real damages.

the cars are like very inexpensive mostly in hanoi? hanoi is like even more packed than nyc right?

putin and hamas started doing shit so i guess so?

UT1999 posted...

the cars are like very inexpensive mostly in hanoi? hanoi is like even more packed than nyc right?

Its like the most expensive place to have a car.

Glob posted...

Its like the most expensive place to have a car.

it is in hanoi, why? but the cars themselves are not like bmws...

Many people are saying this, they tell me they're mad that Crooked Joe stole the election. These tremendous people are such patriots that they let they're hatred for americans seep into every bit of their lives.

As people grow older the more jaded, bitter and grumpier they are. not me, though.

Yes; it has been documented by psychologists as well. Contributing factors include but aren't limited to: political tribalism, intolerance of differing opinions, hostility on social media, echo chambers, and a general increase of stress and anxiety among the general populous.

GranTurismo posted...

it is in hanoi, why? but the cars themselves are not like bmws...

Well, some of them are.

But Im pretty sure Vietnam taxes cars more than anywhere else in the world.

Blue_Thunder posted...

Yes; it has been documented by psychologists as well. Contributing factors include but aren't limited to: political tribalism, intolerance of differing opinions, hostility on social media, echo chambers, and a general increase of stress and anxiety among the general populous.

It's so scary. I do believe social media and the political tribalism has led to this...but what I don't know is how to heal and fix this. That is what we need now...we need to come together as human beings, but I don't know what can do that besides a universally beloved president (Good luck of THAT happening....)

It's true

ShotOJameson posted...

Also driving is more scary than ever imo

This too

Glob posted...

Well, some of them are.

But Im pretty sure Vietnam taxes cars more than anywhere else in the world.

you mean heavy taxes right when you first purchase them? And you hardly ever see violence after accidents after a car accident. cause one guy like does not want to pay that much? like i said before there was even that extreme violence case in nyc over stuff like this.

GranTurismo posted...

you mean heavy taxes right when you first purchase them? And you hardly ever see violence after accidents after a car accident. cause one guy like does not want to pay that much? like i said before there was even that extreme violence case in nyc over stuff like this.

Yeah, cars cost twice as much here as they did in the UK. Given how much less the average person earns, its simply not viable for most people.

Generally, youre looking at motor bike accidents rather than car accidents. Ive never seen violence here outside of combat sports.

Glob posted...

Yeah, cars cost twice as much here as they did in the UK. Given how much less the average person earns, its simply not viable for most people.

Generally, youre looking at motor bike accidents rather than car accidents. Ive never seen violence here outside of combat sports.

so like vietnam a very large percentage use like bikes and motorbikes , the percent actual cars is way low? hadn't thought about that.

UT1999 posted...

so like vietnam a very large percentage use like bikes and motorbikes , the percent actual cars is way low? hadn't thought about that.

Yeah. Theyre pretty well-known for it.

It's pretty rare to publicly show anger or be rude to people here in Japan. I can't remember the last time I saw it happen.

Glob posted...

Yeah. Theyre pretty well-known for it.

like what percent are actual cars? iirc hanoi is like more total people than nyc area and more dense

GranTurismo posted...

like what percent are actual cars? iirc hanoi is like more total people than nyc area and more dense

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/a068b896.jpg

A few years back, but that would indicate that bikes outnumber cars at a rate of around 9 or 10 to 1. Sounds about right to me.

I believe the population of Hanoi is around 8.3 million whereas NYC hasnt quite got to 8, but I could be out of date on that.

Tbh it was the first thing I noticed the second lockdown started to ease up back when I was living in London. Was fucking terrible.

Glob posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/a068b896.jpg

A few years back, but that would indicate that bikes outnumber cars at a rate of around 9 or 10 to 1. Sounds about right to me.

I believe the population of Hanoi is around 8.3 million whereas NYC hasnt quite got to 8, but I could be out of date on that.

are there a lot of people using actual bicycles you have to pedal? yeah but nyc metro area is like over 20 million even if the city itself is like 7 million. Not sure about hanoi metro

SpiritSephiroth posted...

Tbh it was the first thing I noticed the second lockdown started to ease up back when I was living in London. Was fucking terrible.

what, you mean like really angry people?

Smallville posted...

are there a lot of people using actual bicycles you have to pedal? yeah but nyc metro area is like over 20 million even if the city itself is like 7 million. Not sure about hanoi metro

No, its almost entirely motorbikes.

Glob posted...

No, its almost entirely motorbikes.

you are also from uk right? heard that like in europe it is all small cars esp. like in italy. Unlike u.s. , many large cars.

Glob posted...

No, its almost entirely motorbikes.

but the roads there are still incredibly congested, i heard it is also very chaotic, no rules. Like worse than nyc , but they follow road rules less

Smallville posted...

but the roads there are still incredibly congested, i heard it is also very chaotic, no rules. Like worse than nyc , but they follow road rules less

Yeah, its really busy and there basically are no rules.

Smallville posted...

you are also from uk right? heard that like in europe it is all small cars esp. like in italy. Unlike u.s. , many large cars.

Europeans do tend to drive smaller cars than Americans, yeah.

I think there's been a massive shift in the past decade or two in terms of human interaction, the pandemic just accelerated it. People have their heads down and mind their own business more than they used to.

Whether it's rude or not depends on your perspective, I think.

An example is in the gym. People used to talk to each other more, work in sets with strangers, shoot the shit. Now everyone is on headphones and ignores each other. In some circumstances this might feel anti social, but in other circumstances it might feel more respectful.

pinky0926 posted...

I think there's been a massive shift in the past decade or two in terms of human interaction, the pandemic just accelerated it. People have their heads down and mind their own business more than they used to.

Whether it's rude or not depends on your perspective, I think.

An example is in the gym. People used to talk to each other more, work in sets with strangers, shoot the shit. Now everyone is on headphones and ignores each other. In some circumstances this might feel anti social, but in other circumstances it might feel more respectful.

I think most of us are talking about people being the exact opposite of "keeping their heads down".

People be fucking crazy

hockeybabe89 posted...

I think most of us are talking about people being the exact opposite of "keeping their heads down".

People be fucking crazy

You think, crazy, like in what way, what do you notice?