Current Events > MS urges devs not to create female characters w/exaggerated body proportions

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Your idea isnt correct tho. Prove to us that butts are better

A butt takes effort to look good. Boobs are genetic.

I kind of agree. I remember when I first played soul caliber 2 when it came out and I was smh at Taki and Ivy.

A butt takes effort to look good. Boobs are genetic.

Im not going to prove shit because this isnt a serious argument

How the hell did this turn into a boobs vs butt thing lol

All of that is perfectly reasonable. This is really making a mountain out of a molehill. Why even be outraged by this?

Are you unnecessarily introducing gender & gender barriers into your code or design?

Are you creating playable female characters that are equal in skill and ability to their male peers.

Are your female characters equipped with clothing and armor that fits their tasks?

Do they have exaggerated body proportions?

When the story allows, do you show male characters who display a full range of emotions, including joy, sadness, and vulnerability?

some butts are genetic, but yes. A good butt is something that can be aspired to, achieved. Also, a good butt can be on anyone of any sex and any gender. Butts are egalitarian. All hail butts.

Let them fight, this topic was already a dumpster fire so might as well let boobs and butts clash with each other while the rest of us watch and laugh.

Medicore at everything.

There was a study from a couple decades ago that found that the reason that humans have developed large breasts in the first place is because of butt + hip size increasing over time. Thus without big butts there would have never been big breasts.

Understanding that you are actively calling breasts mediocre.

even non-incels are bothered

Men were literally JUST crying about it. (Which is fine, men are allowed to cry.)
men: nobody cares about unrealistic male body standards!
evil woke feminists: we do actually
you: nobody asked

bro.

as for your point that you only see it brought up as a counter argument, uh. How often do you listen to actual feminists and have conversations with them about things like this? Because breaking down toxic masculinity is sort of their whole thing and it helps men too.

Youre taking this too seriously lol, I was only joking around. Cant speak for the other guy though

i have news for anyone who thinks female gamers don't like big tits and anime and vtubers and all that

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We seen what they've done and it's not good. Simple as.

such as?

It's so hard to have discussions on things like this because so many gamers see all these things in absolute terms.

If you say we should try to have more female characters that aren't sexualized people go "Oh, so female game characters can NEVER be SEXY?"

If you say it's unrealistic to have games filled with female characters who all have tiny waists and giant boobs so maybe let's more variety of body types people go "Oh so if a REAL LIFE WOMAN has big boobs that means SHE'S NOT REALISTIC?"

If you say we should avoid female characters with no agency who serve only as damsels in distress for the male protagonist to save, people say "Oh so NO MAN can ever help ANY WOMAN or it's sexist?"

No one is expecting all games to follow all of the "rules" 100%. No one is saying games will be forced to follow them. There are no negative consequences for not following them. Are they even rules? More like suggestions. Seems to me like they're saying, hey, here are a bunch of guidelines, and maybe when you're making your games try to move a little bit in this direction? Thanks, we appreciate it.

It's like people are intentionally missing the point and reducing everything to the stupidest terms possible just so we can't have real discussions. It's exhausting.

As said it was only brought up in this case as a counter argument. I never see it brought up as the main point. Even if it does happen it's far less often by a long shot.

Never once in my life seen a fat man say he wished fat men where more represented in media. Not saying it's never happened but it's so much a rare thing it's not really worth bringing it up in these conversations

Never once in my life seen a fat man say he wished fat men where more represented in media. Not saying it's never happened but it's so much a rare thing it's not really worth bringing it up in these conversations

Literally the most famous video game character of all time is fat

Youre taking this too seriously lol, I was only joking around. Cant speak for the other guy though

There was a study from a couple decades ago that found that the reason that humans have developed large breasts in the first place is because of butt + hip size increasing over time. Thus without big butts there would have never been big breasts.

Understanding that you are actively calling breasts mediocre.

A real woman is most definitely not realistic.

Sounds more like butts were trying to catch up to boobs and boobs were just making sure the gap in the arms race stayed in their favor

So you're only pretending to like butts?

What's the betting that all the men all look like male models while rocking brickhouse abs and biceps the size of their head?

Also gotta love how no one ever complains about all the dudes who could only look so insanely jacked as they do in games if they were downing tons of steroids daily [...]

Fat men don't really have a problem getting representation in the first place. That's why you never see that complaint.

Literally the most famous video game character of all time is fat

No, the joke is pretending to take it seriously and say my opinion is correct

that said, my opinion is correct

Your attempts at trying to save face, while pitiful, have been noted.

A real woman is most definitely not realistic.

Misogyny continues to rear its ugly head with the oversexualization and objectification of women

Its brought up as the main point all the time. Just, again, not in the circles you apparently pay attention to. Maybe the reason you only see it as a counter argument is because you hang out in too many spaces full of people whining about feminism and saying but what about the men.

also, fat men have to say that way less because fat men have always been represented in the media. Unrealistic body standards and general fat shaming still need to be addressed though.

This is CE, folks here still havent processed the whole women are people and not things I wank to thing.

For me personally, I don't mind having a female character with unrealistic body proportion but I'm always a fan of diversity in body types in general. If you got female characters with exaggerated hourglass body proportion wearing impractical and/or slutty outfits and/or armor, it would be great for a male equivalent like that for the male characters as well. Same for other body types like slim, fat, obese, etc. The reason Marissa in SF6 is so well liked by the community, especially among the female fanbase, by far is that even though her muscular body type is obviously not attainable for the majority of the female population, the fact that we even get an overly muscular body type for a female character to begin with...something that hasn't really been represented in video games a whole lot...plus she's really fun to play as.

Top tier design imo.

Except for her dumb haircut. I hate that. Love everything else though.

Bored and mentally checked out at work, so Ill bite this.

Unnecessarily is so vague that I cant fathom someone doing this legitimately except as a parody, like the South Park tying difficulty to skin color joke.

Im sure some games exist where picking female = easy mode or some shit, but it usually isnt even a feminist issue at that point. Like how Yoshi (and Nabbit?) fans have to contend with being stuck in easy mode for Mario Wonder.

This is largely irrelevant if youre not going for realism anyway. And it brings us back to the issue of stuff like Mortal Kombats women cant dress skimpy anymore, men can still be half-naked though, and you can still snap anyones spine and theyll walk it off if it wasnt a fatality.

DOOM 2016 already showed how you can still achieve emotion from a silent, faceless MC.

• Are you telling new stories or sharing new perspectives within the product experience?
• Do all of your characters/player depictions look the same?
• What steps have you taken to ensure characters are represented respectfully and authentically?
• How have you validated assumptions you have made about your audience to check for blind spots or unintended stereotypes?
• Would you feel proud to show a member of a community how their culture/character is depicted within your experience?
• How are the wide range of customers depicted within your products, content portfolio and communications?
• What process have you used to validate how different groups of people or cultures are represented in your experience?

Yeah, the devs said her haircut was meant to imitate a Spartan helmet...but then why not just have her wear a spartan helmet? She literally wears one in her victory pose lol.

How is it vague? It's basically asking developers to think about how genders and gender traits are depicted in their game. And if it's necessary to depict then in that way.

These aren't at all what they mean though. It's but about easy modes. It's more along the lines of creating female characters that people want to play just as much as male characters.

Women can still dress skimpy. They're just saying to make sure that it makes sense for the character. If you're making a battle hardened knight that protects people from monsters and bandits, then it doesn't make sense having the woman wear a metal bikini while her male counterparts wear full suits of armor.

Fire Emblem Engage is a good example of this. There are characters that dress skimpy, but their female knights, who are supposed to have good defense, still have full armor. Because it makes sense for that characters.

Give me an example of a game that is blatant about old-fashioned gender roles (and isnt being a reflection of the time period, like RDR).

If were talking char creators, I feel like this is more skewed in favor of female characters anyway, since they tend to have way more variety and options compared to males.

I mean, Stellar Blade is technically already following that suggestion then. The skimpy option comes with zero defense, so players are naturally penalized for using it for the sake of horny. Which is fine.

Only an incel would be bothered by these guidelines.

Stellar Blade might use a real woman, but she's not exactly a realistic woman