Current Events > Saw image and thought of the 'do you think Israel will cost Biden the election?'

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ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Youre unironically a both sides person lmaooo

thats hilarious

The long awaited suspension will be a weight lifted off this board.

Rika_Furude posted...

youve already been told your support for trump makes you a bigger genocide supporter.

Because you lie to make your support of Biden feel better does not make it true.

How does Biden losing help Palestine?

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Yeah the meme TC posted is quite accurate. The only 2 things anti Biden people go after Biden for are his age and Israel. Quite literally almost every argument on this board about Biden today has been about Israel and nothing else, while Trump is still Trump and people like you claim theyre the same

Biden has other flaws of course, but the meme rings quite true in terms of online discussion.

People can attack Biden on a so much more. Like how after he got into office. He gave police more money, no police reform and police killings hit an all time high. How he treated the immigrants from Haiti. If I keep going on yall would just say I must be supporting Trump since you can't say Biden is doing something wrong without peole suggesting that .

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Lmao youre saying im acting like a republican and then unironically pull out that pic

why dont you go watch more woke libs destroyed on youtube or something

My favorite part of this image is that that freeze frame is completely justified because Trump fucked the dog.

Cjs just an enlightened centrist. He doesn't actually care about Palestine, he's kosher with the eradication of minorities under the Right.

Cemith posted...

My favorite part of this image is that that freeze frame is completely justified because Trump fucked the dog.

Cjs just an enlightened centrist. He doesn't actually care about Palestine, he's kosher with the eradication of minorities under the Right.

Whatever allows their sort to maintain their pretense of moral superiority.

Cemith posted...

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Yeah telling a minority that he is okay with the "eradication of minorities under the Right." because he doesn't support the eradication of minorities under the Left is a take .

cjsdowg posted...

People can attack Biden on a so much more. Like how after he got into office. He gave police more money, no police reform and police killings hit an all time high. How he treated the immigrants from Haiti. If I keep going on yall would just say I must be supporting Trump since you can't say Biden is doing something wrong without peole suggesting that .

Biden has a lot of flaws. Literally anyone and everyone freely admits this. Hes just not keen on starting a dictatorship in the US.

cjsdowg posted...

Yeah telling a minority that he is okay with the "eradication of minorities under the Right." because he doesn't support the eradication of minorities under the Left is a take .

If the shoe fits.

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

They don't, though. You made those people up. (Well, ok, they do exist, but in insignificant numbers.)

Bro I could show you entire subreddits dedicated to wanting Biden to lose to "own the libs". They often think Trump winning will cause "the revolution" to break out where all the people who hate guns overthrow the US government and institute a utopian society.

And I hate Biden. I think he's shit. But I also care somewhat about the state of the world and the people in it and as such don't fantasize about some burn it all down scenario. The reality is Trump winning will be worse for pretty much everyone, even many of his supporters.

cjsdowg posted...

Yeah telling a minority that he is okay with the "eradication of minorities under the Right." because he doesn't support the eradication of minorities under the Left is a take .

Sure, Jan. Tell us about these consistently left-wing governments who have eradicated minorities. (and I don't mean dictatorships masquerading as "socialist" or "communist")

Cemith posted...

If the shoe fits.

So let's follow your logic here.

Between me and you, you are the person who is supporting a guy who is helping to wipe out a group of people .

mistymermaid posted...

Sure, Jan. Tell us about these consistently left-wing governments who have eradicated minorities. (and I don't mean dictatorships masquerading as "socialist" or "communist")

What's Biden doing now?

cjsdowg posted...

So let's follow your logic here.

Between me and you, you are the person who is supporting a guy who is helping to wipe out a group of people .

Oh baby, yeah, let's play.

How about this, your abstaining lip service risks enabling the persecution of;

1. Women
2. Minorites
3. People of Color
4. LGBT People
5. Non Religious folks
6. Oh yeah, and also Palestinians.

I don't believe for a god damn second you give a single solitary shit about Gaza, because you don't give enough of a shit about us here in the states that you're copacetic with a fascist rise to power.

But do please oh wise oracle tell me how letting the aspiring dictator do just a teensy weensy bit of fascism will help Palestine. I'm waiting.

Hope that helps

cjsdowg posted...

Yeah telling a minority that he is okay with the "eradication of minorities under the Right." because he doesn't support the eradication of minorities under the Left is a take .

Hello, minority here. That poster is correct .

I don't like our support of Israel either, but I understand how less suffering and dying is better than more suffering and dying. I'm not going to opt out of the choice because "fuck the world. I don't want anyone to suffer anywhere"

If you can't find the way to justify voting for the not Trump option, then all of your fears and wants are bunk.

The majority of people who are critical of Biden are not planning to vote Trump or not vote at all, that's a definite minority of people. What annoys the hell out of me though is any time criticism of Biden gets posted you IMMEDIATELY get people instantly deflecting to Trump and accusing people upset with Biden of basically being MAGA and that's just straight up insane.

If you're one of those people who feels you cannot have criticism of a Democrat because you fear it'll help a Republican? You're a huge part of the problem.

Enclave posted...

The majority of people who are critical of Biden are not planning to vote Trump or not vote at all, that's a definite minority of people. What annoys the hell out of me though is any time criticism of Biden gets posted you IMMEDIATELY get people instantly deflecting to Trump and accusing people upset with Biden of basically being MAGA and that's just straight up insane.

If you're one of those people who feels you cannot have criticism of a Democrat because you fear it'll help a Republican? You're a huge part of the problem.

People keep posting this but i dont see people saying you cant criticize biden. Its always about not voting for him when the arguments start.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

People keep posting this but i dont see people saying you cant criticize biden. Its always about not voting for him when the arguments start.

This right here. People bloviate incessantly about how "Biden is immune to criticism" when literally not a single person on this forum that I've EVER seen say "You can't criticize Biden."

You can, literally no one is stopping you. But if you insist on abstaining, you're part of the problem and will be called out on it.

hockeybabe89 posted...

Hello, minority here. That poster is correct .

I don't like our support of Israel either, but I understand how less suffering and dying is better than more suffering and dying. I'm not going to opt out of the choice because "fuck the world. I don't want anyone to suffer anywhere"

If you can't find the way to justify voting for the not Trump option, then all of your fears and wants are bunk.

I'm a minority too, I publicly identify as atheist. A group that would be persecuted under the theocracy Trump allies are pushing.

Cemith posted...

I don't believe for a god damn second you give a single solitary shit about Gaza, because you don't give enough of a shit about us here in the states that you're copacetic with a fascist rise to power.

But do please oh wise oracle tell me how letting the aspiring dictator do just a teensy weensy bit of fascism will help Palestine. I'm waiting.

Or Biden could just not support this horrible stuff. Why is that too much of an ask for you. You attack people who don't want to support a genocide, that i crazy. Tell me do you have red line, in this situation? That you will say nope I can't support Biden anymore.

mistymermaid posted...

I'm a minority too, I publicly identify as atheist. A group that would be persecuted under the theocracy Trump allies are pushing

Say why are you not more upset with Biden for making people choose Genocide ? Like real people are dying now, as we speak.

cjsdowg posted...

That you will say nope I can't support Biden anymore.

I'm getting real sick of repeating myself.

It isn't about Biden. It's never been about Biden. Bernie, Hillary, Al Gore, a sewer rat, the Red Power Ranger-

It does not matter who it is, I am voting against Trump because I like the idea of democracy.

Over.
Done.
End of story.

Enclave posted...

The majority of people who are critical of Biden are not planning to vote Trump or not vote at all, that's a definite minority of people. What annoys the hell out of me though is any time criticism of Biden gets posted you IMMEDIATELY get people instantly deflecting to Trump and accusing people upset with Biden of basically being MAGA and that's just straight up insane.

If you're one of those people who feels you cannot have criticism of a Democrat because you fear it'll help a Republican? You're a huge part of the problem.

You can criticize Democrats, but at the end of the day, even if Biden changes nothing about Israel, he is still not as bad as the other option and will harm less people. Anyone with a conflict over that decision is not a good person and doesn't actually care about anyone.

"I want to help everyone, but I'll settle for everyone suffering and dying because damage mitigation isn't fair to the victims" is a nonsensical take.

Cemith posted...

I'm getting real sick of repeating myself.

It isn't about Biden. It's never been about Biden. Bernie, Hillary, Al Gore, a sewer rat, the Red Power Ranger-

It does not matter who it is, I am voting against Trump because I like the idea of democracy.

Over.
Done.
End of story.

That is fine in and of itself. It wouldn't be fine under a system where third party is viable, but that's not the case here. But you've spent multiple topics accusing everyone who criticises Biden or won't support him of being a secret Trump supporter. And that's what everyone is taking issue with.

Cemith posted...

I'm getting real sick of repeating myself.

It isn't about Biden. It's never been about Biden. Bernie, Hillary, Al Gore, a sewer rat, the Red Power Ranger-

It does not matter who it is, I am voting against Trump because I like the idea of democracy.

Over.
Done.
End of story.

Nice. Power Rangers fans are welcome.

cjsdowg posted...

Say why are you not more upset with Biden for making people choose Genocide ? Like real people are dying now, as we speak.

I'm not upset enough to throw everyone's life away in protest.

hockeybabe89 posted...

You can criticize Democrats, but at the end of the day, even if Biden changes nothing about Israel, he is still not as bad as the other option and will harm less people. Anyone with a conflict over that decision is not a good person and doesn't actually care about anyone.

"I want to help everyone, but I'll settle for everyone suffering and dying because damage mitigation isn't fair to the victims" is a nonsensical take.

"You can criticize, you just can't do anything that applies meaningful pressure on them to change."

Trumble posted...

That is fine in and of itself. It wouldn't be fine under a system where third party is viable, but that's not the case here. But you've spent multiple topics accusing everyone who criticises Biden or won't support him of being a secret Trump supporter. And that's what everyone is taking issue with.

Youre not american. You cant even vote in this election. Why do you act like youre taking part in it

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

People keep posting this but i dont see people saying you cant criticize biden. Its always about not voting for him when the arguments start.

No, people don't say you cannot criticize directly but when a thread is made that's critical of Biden and then it's immediately getting people posting deflecting to Trump the implication is beyond clear. You shouldn't have to preface literally every criticism of Biden with "Trump is worse but look at this for a second too".

Once upon a time we used to criticize Republicans for all their whataboutism and yet I see just as much of it from so many people today whenever Biden gets criticism.

Trumble posted...

"You can criticize, you just can't do anything that applies meaningful pressure on them to change."

Getting real sick of you pretending to care about Gaza.

Kindly bugger off.

Trumble posted...

"You can criticize, you just can't do anything that applies meaningful pressure on them to change."

No sense in me threatening to shoot myself in the head if Biden doesn't change, because I have no intention to stick to such a self-defeating promise.

Cemith posted...

Getting real sick of you pretending to care about Gaza.

Kindly bugger off.

Quit projecting.

As much as the terminally online left can go fuck itself, I would never say its as bad as the right.

Enclave posted...

No, people don't say you cannot criticize directly but when a thread is made that's critical of Biden and then it's immediately getting people posting deflecting to Trump the implication is beyond clear. You shouldn't have to preface literally every criticism of Biden with "Trump is worse but look at this for a second too".

A lot of Biden criticism here is directly paired with thats why i cant morally vote for him and again, thats when the arguments start.

If you say Biden is bad about certain things most people would agree. Hes not perfect, but also not as bad as many would have you believe. Youre not being persecuted against for criticizing Biden. Literally everyone does that.

Just virtue signalers and abstainers deciding the ultimate fate of america and Palestine. Protip: Palestine and America both will be much worse off with Trump at the helm.

Trumble, you're from NZ, you have no dog in this fight. Everyone should mark you and ignore anything you have to say on this subject.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

A lot of Biden criticism here is directly paired with thats why i cant morally vote for him and again, thats when the arguments start.

If you say Biden is bad about certain things most people would agree. Hes not perfect, but also not as bad as many would have you believe. Youre not being persecuted against for criticizing Biden. Literally everyone does that.

TONS of it isn't. I've had so many come at me saying I'm going to cause Biden to lose and that I'm helping Trump. Meanwhile I'd like somebody to actually find a post of mine saying to not vote for Biden.

You're always going to find the odd minority of people who are accelerationists but people around here seem to act like everybody who's being critical of Biden is like that regardless of what they're actually saying. It gets insanely frustrating.

Enclave posted...

No, people don't say you cannot criticize directly but when a thread is made that's critical of Biden and then it's immediately getting people posting deflecting to Trump the implication is beyond clear. You shouldn't have to preface literally every criticism of Biden with "Trump is worse but look at this for a second too".

Once upon a time we used to criticize Republicans for all their whataboutism and yet I see just as much of it from so many people today whenever Biden gets criticism.

Enlightened centrism has made us defensive. Good faith criticism of Biden is that infrequent.

mistymermaid posted...

Enlightened centrism has made us defensive. Good faith criticism of Biden is that infrequent.

It REALLY isn't that infrequent at all, stop assuming everybody who's critical of Biden is some idiot enlightened centrist. I get it, we're all afraid of Trump winning again because that would be an absolute disaster but don't start looking for enemies where they don't exist.

cjsdowg posted...

Tell me how many Aid works are you okay with murdering ?

Explain to me how Trump would be better for Gaza. Go.

Here's an example of what pressure gets by the way.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4574912-biden-netanyahu-cease-fire-deal-changes-us-policy/

Yeah, it's not enough yet but it's showing that the Biden admin is seeing the fact that he might actually lose the election and is shifting, slower than I'd like but he's shifting. Do you think this would be happening if people weren't being vocal about criticism towards his handling of what's going on in Gaza? I highly doubt it.

mybbqrules posted...

Explain to me how Trump would be better for Gaza. Go.

Not supporting Biden does not mean one supports Trump. This is the go to people always give. And it just isn't true. I held my nose and voted for Hillary, I held my nose and voted for Biden. But this is just off the rails .

cjsdowg posted...

Not supporting Biden does not mean one supports Trump. This is the go to people always give. And it just isn't true. I held my nose and voted for Hillary, I held my nose and voted for Biden. But this is just off the rails .

no vote for Biden is a vote for Trump.

Enclave posted...

Here's an example of what pressure gets by the way.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4574912-biden-netanyahu-cease-fire-deal-changes-us-policy/

Yeah, it's not enough yet but it's showing that the Biden admin is seeing the fact that he might actually lose the election and is shifting, slower than I'd like but he's shifting. Do you think this would be happening if people weren't being vocal about criticism towards his handling of what's going on in Gaza? I highly doubt it.

Maybe thats the plan. Slow-roll the Israelis into backing off because thatll placate the fake leftists enough to ensure re-election.

cjsdowg posted...

Not supporting Biden does not mean one supports Trump. This is the go to people always give. And it just isn't true. I held my nose and voted for Hillary, I held my nose and voted for Biden. But this is just off the rails .

It does, in a two-party first past the post election. The only relevant names on the ballot are Biden or Trump.

If you have the capital and political clout to form a third party coalition big enough to challenge the status quo, be my guest.

cjsdowg posted...

Not supporting Biden does not mean one supports Trump. This is the go to people always give. And it just isn't true. I held my nose and voted for Hillary, I held my nose and voted for Biden. But this is just off the rails .

I'm sorry that the US is a binary because of the EC, but maybe you can play on your high horse when conservatives stop being aspiring fascists.

Cemith posted...

I'm sorry that the US is a binary because of the EC, but maybe you can play on your high horse when conservatives stop being aspiring fascists.

mistymermaid posted...

If you have the capital and political clout to form a third party coalition big enough to challenge the status quo, be my guest.

The Right is always going to be aspiring fascist . Over and over the battle cry is when can't let the Republicans win. Do you guys suggest we just stay in the state of crappy Dems until we die. Since voting for them is not changing them if anything they move to the right. So since what is your plan of getting better outcomes if not by our vote.

cjsdowg posted...

Do you guys suggest we just stay in the state of crappy Dems until we die

cjsdowg posted...

The Right is always going to be aspiring fascist

Holy fuck you have got to be kidding me. The point is crawling down your face and you still don't get it.

You're trolling. Has to be.

cjsdowg posted...

The Right is always going to be aspiring fascist . Over and over the battle cry is when can't let the Republicans win. Do you guys suggest we just stay in the state of crappy Dems until we die. Since voting for them is not changing them if anything they move to the right. So since what is your plan of getting better outcomes if not by our vote.

However long it takes. A fascist regime is the only foreseeable outcome, should the Democratic party collapse.

cjsdowg posted...

The Right is always going to be aspiring fascist . Over and over the battle cry is when can't let the Republicans win. Do you guys suggest we just stay in the state of crappy Dems until we die. Since voting for them is not changing them if anything they move to the right. So since what is your plan of getting better outcomes if not by our vote.

When the other option is worse, uh yeah abso-fucking-lutely.

cjsdowg posted...

Because you lie to make your support of Biden feel better does not make it true.

Nobody is lying to you. You refuse to face reality. The only thing you want to do is sit on a pretend high-horse. If you cared about reality youd actually deign to have a discussion, wouldnt you. As it stands all you do is dodge and forget things you were told or disagree with no basis. You arent posting in good faith and you dont care for your stated goal either