Current Events > Dutch woman chooses euthanasia due to mental health issues

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Ah, peak CE.

The law here is pretty strict, they dont just do it for nothing. My uncle chose to go this way and it took a long time and many, many procedures and sessions before he was granted his wish.

Also we already are able to medicate the way some others here suggested
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Kai_Laguna posted...

You assume any of the many issues this woman endures showed any response to medications or therapy while maintaining a satisfactory quality of life. She also has concerns about our uncertain future thanks to things that can not be fixed, like global warming.

I have no issue with this woman wanting euthanasia.

But I wanted to say something about your global warming comment........It actually can be fixed and the world is doing a lot to fix it as we speak.

The_Sock posted...

But I wanted to say something about your global warming comment........It actually can be fixed and the world is doing a lot to fix it as we speak.

Yeah, climate doomerism is not healthy for many people.

Man I'm pro euthanasia but part of me raises an eye brow at this. I've had long conversations with friends about other friends who committed suicide. "They just wanted to leave. It's their right" was a common reason given. But seeing how it affected the person's dad made me view it as a little selfish.

I say this as someone diagnosed with schizophrenia, who has been scheduled on a mental health ward as a patient thinking I'd potentially never be leaving it.

This makes me really sad on so many levels. I don't know how bad she has it with her mental health. Having borderline personality and depression from that and other few things. Did the doctors really give up on her and say, "There is nothing else we can do, it will only get worse." Like wtf.

I get a terminal disease, but this doesn't feel right. At all. Like there has to be something. I hope she finds happiness and changes at the last minute. I feel bad for her and her bf. But again, I don't know how bad she has it. Something is missing. And the Dutch healthcare systems sounds super unsupportive for mental health

Arcanine2009 posted...

This makes me really sad on so many levels. I don't know how bad she has it with her mental health. Having borderline personality and depression from that and other few things. Did the doctors really give up on her and say, "There is nothing else we can do, it will only get worse." Like wtf.

I get a terminal disease, but this doesn't feel right. At all. Like there has to be something. I hope she finds happiness and changes at the last minute. I feel bad for her and her bf. But again, I don't know how bad she has it. Something is missing. And the Dutch healthcare systems sounds super unsupportive for mental health

Again, saying they just gave up is wrong. This doesnt just randomly happen, there is a very long trajectory for this.

The_Sock posted...

I have no issue with this woman wanting euthanasia.

But I wanted to say something about your global warming comment........It actually can be fixed and the world is doing a lot to fix it as we speak.

You can not fix the environment, the damage is done. At best we still have time for triage.

My wife chose medically assisted suicide last year due to her overall health. Her physical health was deteriorating rapidly, but also mental health was as well. It needs to be said that health, in general, is all related. Someone who has intense mental health problems will have physical problems as well, and vice-versa.

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

My wife chose medically assisted suicide last year due to her overall health. Her physical health was deteriorating rapidly, but also mental health was as well. It needs to be said that health, in general, is all related. Someone who has intense mental health problems will have physical problems as well, and vice-versa.

@Jeff_AKA_Snoopy I had always meant to send you my condolences in that topic you made but never got the chance to! Sorry about that.

My condolences, my friend. I can't even imagine what you and her went through.

Thanks, that means a lot.

It was an ordeal for sure. I'm glad that she got the resolution she needed. I'm not "happy" that it happened, but she rarely ever got what she wanted in her life and I am glad she got to dictate how her life ended.

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It was powerful for sure. I'm not a religious or spiritual person. My wife was spiritual and definitely had experiences that reinforced those thoughts for her. I told her she would have to give me those experiences for me to maybe be a bit more spiritual.

There is so much logically that could have made that seat be empty. Or I can just thank her for giving me that experience I asked for.

BlueKat posted...

According to the article: "In 2022, there were 8,720 euthanasia deaths in the Netherlands representing roughly 5% of all the countrys deaths and up from 4 per cent from the year prior, according to Dutch media."

I wonder if the Dutch law has changed in the last couple of years.

woof ...5% of American deaths per year would be 182,000. That seems high. I need to check respective death rates per million, damn... oh, exact same 1/100. That seems high.

Well thats tragic

Alteres posted...

woof ...5% of American deaths per year would be 182,000. That seems high. I need to check respective death rates per million, damn... oh, exact same 1/100. That seems high.

I can't be bothered to look into it right now but i wouldn't be surprised if normal suicide rates don't already rival that here in America. Everyone I've talked to about seems to know someone that's killed themselves or tried.

I personally know 3 who have and several others who have tried

Lmao warned for having a dissenting opinion.

Don't allow topics on suicide if taking a stance that it's wrong can get you modded.

Everyone just submit to the echo chamber.

Sufferedphoenix posted...

I feel this should be a thing. Right away if dealing with a terminal disease or just old ad fuck. Mandatory therapy if those thing aren't present then circle back and ask them if they still wanna do it.

Mind you this is more ideal with free health care

Everything here, been thinking along these lines for a minute...

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FYI he was warned (again) literally one minute after making that post

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I've had a few friends including myself who have wanted to take their lives. Personally a few times for myself. The first thing you do is put your life into perspective. It's your mind you're fighting again against. Considering the things you have to be thankful for can absolutely help save your life. I'll never apologize for that, when what I'm doing is the right thing.

She needs encouragement and she's got medical professionals telling her there's absolutely no hope for her. Because if the people that are supposed to know better for you are telling you that you're a lost cause then what else is there but to give up?

I know some of you put medical professionals on a golden pedestal like they could never do anything wrong, so here's one for you:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/polands-cash-for-corpses-scandal/

deoxxys posted...

I've had a few friends including myself who have wanted to take their lives. Personally a few times for myself. The first thing you do is put your life into perspective. It's your mind you're fighting again against. Considering the things you have to be thankful for can absolutely help save your life. I'll never apologize for that, when what I'm doing is the right thing.

You're fucking it up pretty hard, then.

You'd get written the fuck up for trying this intervention in a treatment setting.

I'm wondering if deoxxys trolled the topics about my wife. One of the few who did.

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

I'm wondering if deoxxys trolled the topics about my wife. One of the few who did.

I've never trolled in my life, I'm a pretty genuine person, I say exactly what I mean.

I don't think I've even ever posted in those topics either, if I said anything I would have said sorry for your loss or my condolences.

I would never try to solicit my opinion about euthanasia in a topic where a poster is personally involved, that's not my business. There's a big difference between that and commenting on a news article with no connections involved.

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

My wife chose medically assisted suicide last year due to her overall health. Her physical health was deteriorating rapidly, but also mental health was as well. It needs to be said that health, in general, is all related. Someone who has intense mental health problems will have physical problems as well, and vice-versa.

Thanks for sharing your personal experience with this extremely difficult subject.

deoxxys posted...

Lmao warned for having a dissenting opinion.

Don't allow topics on suicide if taking a stance that it's wrong can get you modded.

Everyone just submit to the echo chamber.

You seem to have problems in nearly every topic you post in. If you're really not trolling, maybe you need to take a serious look at yourself >_>

deoxxys posted...

I've never trolled in my life, I'm a pretty genuine person, I say exactly what I mean.

I don't think I've even ever posted in those topics either, if I said anything I would have said sorry for your loss or my condolences.

I would never try to solicit my opinion about euthanasia in a topic where a poster is personally involved, that's not my business. There's a big difference between that and commenting on a news article with no connections involved.

A genuine asshole maybe.

Xatrion posted...

If it's never getting better, then what's the point?

My response to this would be: life has always sucked. People have lived in much, much worse conditions than we have across the many centuries of human civilization. And, while death probably would have been an appealing option in those times too, most people would rather have lived than died.

I'm not saying this woman in her own personal circumstance is wrong for choosing to die, but to act like the quality of life in these times is so appalling that death is beginning to seem more appealing as each day passes is... well it's just irresponsible to suggest that to anyone who may be having mental issues.

Billyionaire posted...

My response to this would be: life has always sucked. People have lived in much, much worse conditions than we have across the many centuries of human civilization. And, while death probably would have been an appealing option in those times too, most people would rather have lived than died.

I'm not saying this woman in her own personal circumstance is wrong for choosing to die, but to act like the quality of life in these times is so appalling that death is beginning to seem more appealing as each day passes is... well it's just irresponsible to suggest that to anyone who may be having mental issues.

We need to be really careful with our assumptions on how all this works. No ethical medical professional is ever going to suggest "death" to someone. Even doctors who deal primarily with patients who are going to die (Cancer, for example) don't ever suggest to a patient that they should make that choice. They talk about end of life care and stuff like that.

It is the patient who is asking those questions and looking for what options they have. My wife never met a medical practitioner (and she saw I would ballpark it around 70 or so different doctors in her lifetime) who EVER broached that subject. She did the research on the MAID program here in Canada, she looked up how to follow through on it, and took the steps as the law required.

I can only speak for the program here in Canada, but you have to wait 3 months from the start of the process before you can get the procedure done. It's not as if in a moment of desperation you just walk to a doctor and get to pass away. You need to go through quite a rigorous process and prove that you have done everything possible to be treated for what is going on and multiple doctors need to agree that you have done that as well as the fact your condition is to a point that it would be cruel and unusual to continue to decline.

I know that we are terrified of our loved ones dying. As much as I supported my wife through her decision and got her to her finish line of her life, it made me incredibly sad and hurt me dearly. But who is ANYONE on this planet to try and force them to live through whatever it is that is putting them in the position where medically assisted suicide is what they truly want?

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I guess they're being a lot more lenient on the purging with the whole purge=removed forever thing.

The internet classic: say some dumb offensive shit, get modded, then come back to say "can't have a dissenting opinion around here" despite multiple other people itt also expressing disagreement with the subject of the topic. Almost like suggesting that someone with multiple mental issues needs to experience real hardship is actually a really disgusting thing to say!

LeoRavus posted...

It's kind of of fucked up the doctors just gave up on her knowing she wanted to die if it was hopeless. They pretty much told her to schedule her death appointment.

It's her life and no one knows how terrible it was but her. But 28 seems way to young to throw in the towel. If her mental conditions are that severe, how do they determine if she's mentally able to make a decision like that?

Yeah. I'm not entirely opposed to this, but without more context it just sounds extreme. Like she did have a boyfriend and she was conventionally attractive so it's not like her life was a complete mess. I get that there's a lot more to life than those, but still... I feel like there's a certain line you have to cross to justify this and I doubt she was really there yet even if she was close.

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Oh I dared say that games workshop changes to 40K weren't done for artistic purposes.
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deoxxys posted...

I've never trolled in my life, I'm a pretty genuine person, I say exactly what I mean.

Why do you say so much awful shit then?

I've never trolled in my life, I'm a pretty genuine person, I say exactly what I mean.

Murphiroth posted...

Why do you say so much awful shit then?

I don't though. If you were hanging out with me in real life you'd think I was a real pleasant and positive happy going guy.

deoxxys posted...

I don't though.

You are aware we can see your posts in this topic, right? Why lie so blatantly?

Murphiroth posted...

You are aware we can see your posts in this topic, right? Why lie so blatantly?

I've been through periods of depression where I've considered suicide and it was a dark time in my life, excuse me for sharing my thoughts and viewpoints on the matter. Sorry I thought this was a forum for discussion, it seems I just have to shut up, my bad.

deoxxys posted...

I've been through periods of depression where I've considered suicide and it was a dark time in my life, excuse me for sharing my thoughts and viewpoints on the matter. Sorry I thought this was a forum for discussion, it seems I just have to shut up, my bad.

My guy you posted that she should be just fine because she has a boyfriend and a roof over her head and then went on to state that she needed to experience "real hardship" despite the fact that you know next to nothing about this person.

You're right that this is a forum for discussion, and your thoughts and viewpoints on the matter are kind of shitty, quit playing up the victim complex just because people happen to call you out on it as part of said discussion. Or just shut up like you said and save us all from hearing the garbage you spew.

Medical Assistance in Suicide is not about suicidal ideation and momentary or even weekly thoughts about suicide. It is about someone not living in abject pain.

Kai_Laguna posted...

and there's nothing wrong with that.

This.

It shouldn't be recommended and it shouldn't the first choice. But there should be a process with a waiting period and evaluation. In the end it should be the person's choice and is a much better option than messy suicides.