Poll of the Day > I didn't expect the mods to defend Fox News

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SKARDAVNELNATE
04/17/24 12:02:55 PM
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I thought it was okay to criticize them here.

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Metalsonic66
04/17/24 4:03:01 PM
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Fuck Fox News

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adjl
04/17/24 4:30:06 PM
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I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you misinterpreted what happened.

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ConfusedTorchic
04/17/24 4:45:42 PM
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too bad disney didn't also get fox news and shut it down

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SKARDAVNELNATE
04/17/24 5:45:36 PM
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adjl posted...
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you misinterpreted what happened.
You once claimed to know my position better than I do. Care to explain what really happened?

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agesboy
04/17/24 5:53:39 PM
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first of all, have you seen the announcement that all political discussion is banned on gamefaqs outside of CE now

and that their definition of political discussion is pretty broad

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SKARDAVNELNATE
04/17/24 5:58:32 PM
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agesboy posted...
first of all, have you seen the announcement that all political discussion is banned on gamefaqs outside of CE now
I've been saying for the last 3 years that if only one side of a discussion was allowed then the discussion isn't actually allowed.

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agesboy
04/17/24 6:08:53 PM
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no i mean within the past day it is explicitly forbidden to talk about any political issues at all on potd, even if it's benign shit like how your local mayor sucks because they won't address potholes

you bring politics into everything so uhhh good luck lol!

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SKARDAVNELNATE
04/17/24 6:16:53 PM
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No, I didn't see that. Plus I only responded to things that other people had posted. I rarely created topics.

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Lynyrd_Skynyrd
04/17/24 6:17:37 PM
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adjl posted...
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you misinterpreted what happened.

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adjl
04/17/24 6:54:08 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
You once claimed to know my position better than I do. Care to explain what really happened?

Not knowing what post, context, or moderation you're talking about, I wouldn't dream of trying to explain any of the details. I'm just inclined to guess - based on your posting history and what I know about moderation practices - that you misinterpreted what happened. Occam's Razor and whatnot. If you'd like to explain the basis for your opinion, I'll be happy to clarify the details for you.

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Lokarin
04/17/24 6:54:49 PM
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I didn't know Fox News was the government

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darkknight109
04/17/24 6:56:32 PM
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adjl posted...
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you misinterpreted what happened.


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SKARDAVNELNATE
04/17/24 7:02:47 PM
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adjl posted...
Occam's Razor and whatnot. If you'd like to explain the basis for your opinion, I'll be happy to clarify the details for you.
Given what agesboy just cautioned me about I don't know if I can.

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captpackrat
04/17/24 8:24:47 PM
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agesboy posted...
first of all, have you seen the announcement that all political discussion is banned on gamefaqs outside of CE now
Where is this announcement?


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agesboy
04/17/24 8:29:47 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/6-gamefaqs-announcements/80747432

announcements board

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SKARDAVNELNATE
04/17/24 8:37:00 PM
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I just regained my ability to post today. How was I suppose to see this if agesboy hadn't told me?
Did CE just become another LUE?
What happens to the politics special interest board?
How do I contest being denied access because of an unfair suspension?

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adjl
04/17/24 8:59:10 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Given what agesboy just cautioned me about I don't know if I can.

Saying something along the lines of "I criticized Fox News' coverage of *insert politically-charged event here*" should be fair game, assuming that's somewhere in the ballpark of what you said. It also might not be, because the rules are extremely open-ended due to how vague the term "politics" is and nobody's been willing/able to provide any clarification. It's kind of up in the air.

If you want to play it safe, even without knowing what you had modded, I can tell you that you can probably conclude that you were modded not because the mods were defending Fox News, but because whatever you posted fell under the umbrella of "political posting." I hate to be so vague about it, but that's all I can really do with zero context.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Did CE just become another LUE?

Basically.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
What happens to the politics special interest board?

It got shut down entirely a few months ago.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
How do I contest being denied access because of an unfair suspension?

You don't. It's a heavy-handed move made with zero regard for the social board communities, out of some misguided belief that misbehaviour on CE and political posting on non-game boards were somehow interfering with game discussion on game boards to enough of an extent to scare off potential new users. Fandom has no interest in trying to make it better for users.

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SKARDAVNELNATE
04/17/24 9:11:39 PM
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adjl posted...
If you want to play it safe, even without knowing what you had modded, I can tell you that you can probably conclude that you were modded not because the mods were defending Fox News, but because whatever you posted fell under the umbrella of "political posting."
Political posting was allowed 9 months ago. Half of PotD was something of a political nature back then.

Basically I thought Fox News was insincere, commoditizing their position and not committed to it. It was not due to the coverage of any one story. There were other examples that I gave as my reason for thinking that.

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adjl
04/17/24 9:18:09 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Political posting was allowed 9 months ago. Half of PotD was something of a political nature back then.

This announcement came literally two days ago. It's blindsided pretty much everyone and I don't think anyone's particularly happy with it, given how inevitably inconsistent the policy's enforcement will be and how unhealthy it is to kill off active communities like CE.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Basically I thought Fox News was insincere, commoditizing their position and not committed to it. It was not due to the coverage of any one story. There were other examples that I gave as my reason for thinking that.

Yep, I can see why that would fall under the umbrella of political posting, even without clear guidelines on what does and doesn't count. As expected, you're a victim of the new policy and not of mods taking issue with Fox News being badmouthed.

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slacker03150
04/17/24 9:18:13 PM
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adjl posted...
the rules are extremely open-ended due to how vague the term "politics" is and nobody's been willing/able to provide any clarification. It's kind of up in the air.
I think this is the closest thing we have to clarification
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/54ff05e5.jpg

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SKARDAVNELNATE
04/17/24 9:21:57 PM
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adjl posted...
As expected, you're a victim of the new policy and not of mods taking issue with Fox News being badmouthed.
A new policy that you admit was announced 2 days ago and was not in effect 9 months ago when the moderation occurred.

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SKARDAVNELNATE
04/17/24 9:37:37 PM
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slacker03150 posted...
I think this is the closest thing we have to clarification
2 comments.

do not permit communities whose main purpose
I'm not a community, I'm an individual. I take part in a community that discusses various things. Anything I advocate for I'm doing so as an individual.

not a loose definition to simply police speech
They've been policing speech long before this. I generally stick to the topic being discussed with maybe some snark, but never troll and never flame. All of my moderations in recent years have been because I had an unpopular opinion.

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agesboy
04/17/24 10:02:17 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
A new policy that you admit was announced 2 days ago and was not in effect 9 months ago when the moderation occurred.
how the hell were we supposed to assume you're talking about a moderation 9 months ago and why are you only making a topic about it now like it just happened

you omit way too much context to ever have good-faith discussion with

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Zareth
04/17/24 10:03:07 PM
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Very on point for Skard

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SKARDAVNELNATE
04/17/24 10:07:00 PM
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agesboy posted...
how the hell were we supposed to assume you're talking about a moderation 9 months ago
Some of you seem to be keen on remember all of my positions you disagreed with and bringing them up at random times.

agesboy posted...
why are you only making a topic about it now like it just happened
I just got back my ability to post today after a 9 month suspension.

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adjl
04/17/24 10:15:55 PM
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slacker03150 posted...
I think this is the closest thing we have to clarification

And even that doesn't do much, because GameFAQs doesn't have any communities whose "main purpose" is any of those things. There are communities where such subjects come up from time to time and where there's moderate consensus on which position to back, but not communities specifically created to take such sides, so the policy has no basis for being applied in the first place and the fact that they're applying it at all means they've made up some other interpretation. That Timmy's saying "it's not possible to come up with an all-encompassing definition" while justifying a policy that needs an all-encompassing definition to be applied with any sort of consistency doesn't exactly inspire confidence that they have any idea what they want to do with this.

For that matter, that last bit saying "the intent is to use a stringent definition of politics that covers clear trolling and flame wars" means absolutely nothing has actually changed. Clear trolling and flame wars have always been moddable on every board, without any need to say "no politics allowed outside of a board that we've now quarantined." So... I really don't know what to believe, except my expectation that this will largely blow over in a couple weeks and it'll be business as usual because mods won't care enough to actively police social boards to slap down "political" topics.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
A new policy that you admit was announced 2 days ago and was not in effect 9 months ago when the moderation occurred.

Ah, I misunderstood. I thought you were talking about a moderation you got since you returned from your vacation, not the moderation that earned you said vacation. In that case, I still feel pretty comfortable assuming that you've misinterpreted what happened. The most likely issue was that one or more of the examples you gave entailed crossed one of the lines that are not tolerated, such as Covid denialism, Jan 6th denialism, or advocating for the abolition of human rights for some disenfranchised group or other. You probably won't be able to share the details without getting modded again, so I'm afraid you'll have to content yourself with that explanation and take this as an opportunity to reflect on what you did wrong and try to improve (though given that you've sat on "the mods were defending Fox News!" for nine months, I can't say I'm overly hopeful in that regard).

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ConfusedTorchic
04/17/24 10:20:18 PM
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agesboy posted...
you omit way too much context to ever have good-faith discussion with


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SKARDAVNELNATE
04/17/24 10:23:45 PM
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adjl posted...
so I'm afraid you'll have to content yourself with that explanation and take this as an opportunity to reflect on what you did wrong and try to improve
That would be rather pointless at this juncture since whatever people disagreed with, they can't express their perspective now either.

adjl posted...
though given that you've sat on "the mods were defending Fox News!" for nine months, I can't say I'm overly hopeful in that regard
I do take pride in being consistent. Thank you for understanding.

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adjl
04/17/24 10:35:42 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
That would be rather pointless at this juncture

It's the only way you're going to avoid another vacation. If you're going to refuse to learn how to play nice, you're going to get slapped down again for not playing nice. You got purg'd for a reason, and I can all but guarantee you that reason was not that the mods were defending Fox News.

If you really can't figure it out, PM me the post in question and I'll see if I can spell it out for you.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
I do take pride in being consistent.

*insert Principal Skinner meme captioned with "Could I have done something wrong? No, it must be the mods who are out of touch!"*

Remaining consistent in the belief that you've done nothing wrong in the face of multiple different people criticizing you is not generally something to be proud of, especially when you can't even figure out what the problem is they have with you. In this case, your consistency is not because you've developed a position so robustly justified as to be unassailable, it's because you've decided to twist everything you observe into fitting with your preconceived opinion and hide behind a persecution complex whenever people have a problem with that interpretation. Don't take pride in that.

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SKARDAVNELNATE
04/17/24 11:09:31 PM
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adjl posted...
It's the only way you're going to avoid another vacation.
Apparently now, no one can discuss the thing that got me modded. So there's little chance of the subject coming up again.

adjl posted...
If you really can't figure it out, PM me the post in question and I'll see if I can spell it out for you.
I wouldn't do that over GameFAQs' PM service. I vaguely recall a notion that someone got modded for sharing a moderation over PM.

adjl posted...
In this case, your consistency is not because you've developed a position so robustly justified as to be unassailable
Well that's just it, isn't it? I have no way of knowing how unassailable it is if I can't discuss it. I thought I did a pretty decent job of supporting my veiws at the time.

I like to debate. I find the pactice useful for finding where my arguments are weak and refining my reasoning. But I wasn't allowed to from the beginning. And now neither is my opponent. So what is there to fight over?

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agesboy
04/17/24 11:35:18 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
I vaguely recall a notion that someone got modded for sharing a moderation over PM.
I'm pretty sure that only happens if a message is reported by the other party, that question was asked on Ask The Mods a while back. which obviously is a good exception (given harassment etc) and I really don't think neither me nor adjl mark you for shit. we're just vibing on this dying board

but it's probably just going to boil down to a difference of sensibilities again

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SKARDAVNELNATE
04/17/24 11:48:42 PM
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agesboy posted...
but it's probably just going to boil down to a difference of sensibilities again
It was probably something like... if X believes Y they should take Z action.
Then you look at it and say by bringing up Z I'm suggesting Y is true.
And I say no, I'm saying if X believes Y is true. Whether I belief in Y is beside the point.

And we'll disagree about that but none of it sheds any light on how the terms of service is enforced.

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Cacciato
04/18/24 2:52:07 AM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
I just regained my ability to post today. How was I suppose to see this if agesboy hadn't told me?
Did CE just become another LUE?
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How do I contest being denied access because of an unfair suspension?
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ConfusedTorchic
04/18/24 3:29:01 AM
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i will mark the shit out of anyone who pm's me

don't pm me

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adjl
04/18/24 9:46:31 AM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Apparently now, no one can discuss the thing that got me modded. So there's little chance of the subject coming up again.

That specific subject, no. Discussions in which your overall mindset will get you into trouble if you don't adjust it? That's more likely.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
I wouldn't do that over GameFAQs' PM service. I vaguely recall a notion that someone got modded for sharing a moderation over PM.

You can get modded for sharing moddable content of any sort over a PM, but the only way for that to happen is if the recipient marks you. It'd be a pretty massive dick move of me to invite you to PM me something then mark you for it, such that you could easily get me penalized pretty heavily for trolling if I did such a thing. Pinky swear promise, I won't mark it. I do genuinely believe you're trying to understand and you're just having trouble connecting the dots, not that you're actually trying to be malicious, so if I can help you connect the dots, that's a win in my books.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Well that's just it, isn't it? I have no way of knowing how unassailable it is if I can't discuss it.

That line of thinking is exactly why I say you shouldn't be proud of your consistency: If you can't refine your own opinions by trying to assail them yourself, you aren't thinking critically about the subject. You're deciding on a position, then waiting for somebody else to put in the legwork to prove you wrong.

Getting other people's input through debate is very helpful for refining positions, yes, but you are far from being without options if you can't debate them. You can gather information yourself and conduct your own tests of your hypotheses to see if they hold up. That just requires you to actually be open-minded enough to accept that your first belief might be wrong, which is something you seem to struggle with (and, to be fair, a lot of people struggle with that to some extent or another).

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SKARDAVNELNATE
04/18/24 10:58:46 AM
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adjl posted...
If you can't refine your own opinions by trying to assail them yourself, you aren't thinking critically about the subject.
I believe I have done so to the extent that I can on my own. I look for the flaws in my own thinking. Make comparisons to other positions I've taken and see if they are contradictory, or if they are drawn from a common value I hold. But other people place importance on aspects of it differently than I do. Or approach it in a way that I hadn't thought of.

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Red_XIV
04/18/24 11:55:28 AM
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adjl posted...
It got shut down entirely a few months ago.
And then Fandumb went all Surprised Pikachu when shutting down the Politics board resulted in all of its regulars migrating to CE and increasing the amount of political topics on CE.

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rynobot
04/18/24 12:10:49 PM
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Life = politics. Maybe if this was a utopia we wouldn't have to discuss these issues.

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adjl
04/18/24 12:11:48 PM
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BoomerKuwanger posted...
Please go to Reddit if you are going to say someone "went surprised Pikachu"

I am deeply and profoundly Surprised Pikachu'd that you would say such a thing to a fellow GameFAQer.

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Lokarin
04/18/24 12:23:13 PM
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y'all even meme?

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agesboy
04/18/24 1:00:47 PM
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ConfusedTorchic posted...
i will mark the shit out of anyone who pm's me

don't pm me
I almost added "but absolutely don't message helly" but refrained because it was basically a given

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JOExHIGASHI
04/18/24 1:40:00 PM
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We can't insult the "news" network that was successfully sued for hundred of millions of dollars for libel?

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Zareth
04/18/24 6:28:05 PM
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We're only allowed to talk about apolitical things here, like Metal Gear Solid or Fallout

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SKARDAVNELNATE
04/18/24 6:37:47 PM
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That... ah... raises a question. If no one believes it that means it's fictional, right?

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ConfusedTorchic
04/18/24 7:07:56 PM
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JOExHIGASHI posted...
We can't insult the "news" network that was successfully sued for hundred of millions of dollars for libel?
as long as you don't make it political


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Red_XIV
04/20/24 10:16:32 PM
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ConfusedTorchic posted...
as long as you don't make it political
And "political" is defined as...whatever the hell a mod decides it is.

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NeoSioType
04/20/24 10:43:02 PM
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addressing specific issues such as hornyposting

wtf, don't tell me I missed out on the fun? When did this place turn into 4chan?
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ConfusedTorchic
04/21/24 5:53:42 AM
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Red_XIV posted...
And "political" is defined as...whatever the hell a mod decides it is.
it's pretty clearly defined though

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