Current Events > When "cultured" cinema viewers say The Dark Knight Rises was great

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Doe posted...

Not trying to run you over or anything but it is genuinely difficult for me to understand why one would prefer BB > TDK. Is it that TDK isn't Batman-y enough / is less of a superhero movie?

The writing of Begins was a lot better. They did some cool stuff with TDK too and all, but in Begins:

- The hero and villain have a history
- We see one learn from his mistakes while the other repeats mistakes (that weren't even his own) from earlier in the film
- There's a looping structure playing on the same theme--namely, fear. First the bats, which Bruce legitimately has no reason to fear. Then Scarecrow and Falcone, who has taken control of the city through fear. But he in turn fears Ra's. Batman learns to conquer each of these adversaries and even beats them at their own game.
- The symbolism of the house, the past, his family, etc
- The hero decides who he wants to be

Yeah. It's definitely my favorite of the three.

Doe posted...

It's not CGI. Nolan got permission to rip apart and drop a plane into the Scotland mountains. The ziplining is real too. Enormous amount of choreography training necessary. To do the interior shots they built a simulator. To call TDKR "phoned in" is basically blasphemous. That's what I'm saying.

And like I said, it has the skeleton of a great movie. These are extremely fantastic bones to build an excellent movie on...but they did not do that. The end result of the dialogue and acting here ruins this scene for me.

TDKR had a dumb script too. The movie has some really good sequences but it falls apart under small scrutiny in a few ways. Begins and TDK are eons better.

The line that bothers me mostly is when Harvey dent says to Gordon : You are playing things pretty close to the chest. As if he was Morgan Freeman saying that to Bruce Wayne earlier.

Also: https://youtu.be/ChaN2YQqf50?si=OpF0CagEcmpwd6V3

Luxiere posted...

The line that bothers me mostly is when Harvey dent says to Gordon : You are playing things pretty close to the chest. As if he was Morgan Freeman saying that to Bruce Wayne earlier.

Also: https://youtu.be/ChaN2YQqf50?si=OpF0CagEcmpwd6V3

The cop in TDK has always bothered me. The one that sees the helicopter spinning out of control and says "ok that's NOT good."

Did they edit out a line earlier that made that make sense? Like was he saying "looks good... looks good... Ok that's NOT good" or something?

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Thats great! What a cool experience.

Doe posted...

It's not CGI. Nolan got permission to rip apart and drop a plane into the Scotland mountains. The ziplining is real too. Enormous amount of choreography training necessary. To do the interior shots they built a simulator. To call TDKR "phoned in" is basically blasphemous. That's what I'm saying.

As to it being memed on, Baneposting started as a joke about the juxtaposition of the lines "you're a big guy... / For you" being a double entendre. Not because people think the scene sucks. You have to have a stick up your ass not to enjoy that scene imo

lol baneposting happened because the entire scene is an unintentionally hilarious and awkward trainwreck

That movie was pretty bad, ngl. It also feels like Nolan didnt understand Batman at all if he thought somebody like him would ever settle for retirement. Never mind how he was for the rest of the movie.

His outcome in Batman beyond is his mostly likely end. But it feels like writers are hardwired to give him endings like this for some reason.

Literally the only good thing that came out of that movie was Baneposting

Delirious_Beard posted...

lol baneposting happened because the entire scene is an unintentionally hilarious and awkward trainwreck

They only had audio of the scene from a leak when baneposting began.

Prismsblade posted...

That movie was pretty bad, ngl. It also feels like Nolan didnt understand Batman at all if he thought somebody like him would ever settle for retirement. Never mind how he was for the rest of the movie.

His outcome in Batman beyond is his mostly likely end. But it feels like writers are hardwired to give him endings like this for some reason.

You mean the show where he retired?

Seaman_Prime posted...

Literally the only good thing that came out of that movie was Baneposting

I'd recommend an immediate echocardiogram if you didn't at least feel something during the scene where Bruce and Alfred part ways.

And Anne Hathaway's Catwoman was surprisingly good.

masterpug53 posted...

I'd recommend an immediate echocardiogram if you didn't at least feel something during the scene where Bruce and Alfred part ways.

For me, it was "I'm so sorry... I failed you..."

Mechu posted...

For me, it was "I'm so sorry... I failed you..."

Im so sorry.. I failed you.. you became a weirdo dressed as a bat

MICHALECOLE posted...

It was not great, but wasnt the worst movie Ive ever seen. The new Batman was definitely way worse in my opinion

Awful opinion.

The whole 'Batman would never retire' thing is tiresome. The Golden Age comic book Batman married Selina and retired. Modern writers have a hard on for protracting the agony and having him NEVER retire.

Golden Age Batman was in the 1950's when comic book characters and audience were both completely undefined. Using that as a bench mark is laughable because it's as bad as comic writing gets. But sure, modern writers who actually have to bother with things like continuity, and character consistency are all hogwash.

WarfireX posted...

Awful opinion.

If you say so

tommybel89 posted...

The whole 'Batman would never retire' thing is tiresome. The Golden Age comic book Batman married Selina and retired. Modern writers have a hard on for protracting the agony and having him NEVER retire.

Eh, I'm not too upset about that, since it's basically part of Bruce's personality that he'll never be happy because he's a fucking madman.

Now Spidey spending his entire life grabbing at happiness and getting yanked back into the status quo is horseshit.

tommybel89 posted...

TDKR has some really good moments, but it overall does not hold up to scrutiny. Begins and TDK are still great.

This is what I think too. BB and TDK are fantastic Batman movies. There are also parts of DKR I really like. The problem with the last movie is that the plot is not just indulgent by comic book standards-it is dumb and kind of insults audience intelligence.

I started rolling my eyes once Wayne lost all his money overnight with bad investmentsno one bothered to investigate even though there had just been a break in at the Gotham stock market and never stopped. The story in DKR is full of dumb stuff like that.

Amazing how they absolutely fucking nailed it with Batman Begins and The Dark Knight (IMO the two best live action Batman movies) and then fumbled so badly with The Dark Knight Rises.

It does have some cool parts but overall idk. I cant even explain why, it just doesnt work for me.

Doe posted...

They only had audio of the scene from a leak when baneposting began.

who cares? once the movie released the scene just became funny for a different reason