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Scotty_Rogers 05/02/24 4:33:57 PM #1: |
Meaning no matter what, Goku survives into adulthood
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Charged151 05/02/24 4:39:20 PM #2: |
And?
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Scotty_Rogers 05/02/24 4:47:05 PM #3: |
Charged151 posted...
And? Nothing kills Goku as long as he's a kid famalam --- Fammy fam ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BucketCat 05/02/24 4:58:12 PM #4: |
is that why Goku started acting so childish during super? so he never grows up and thus never dies?
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ForsakenHermit 05/02/24 4:59:35 PM #5: |
Poor Raditz never got the same love.
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Full_Pokedex 05/02/24 5:06:51 PM #6: |
BucketCat posted...
is that why GT turns him into a kid and why daima looks like the same will happen?The hell is a Daima? --- Donkey Kong is our friend! Please call often DK, don't be a stranger! From Toadsworth, Mario Party 7 Vote Larry Hogan for 2024. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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uwnim 05/02/24 5:08:08 PM #7: |
Scotty_Rogers posted...
Nothing kills Goku as long as he's a kid famalamAnd? --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Scotty_Rogers 05/03/24 3:14:57 AM #8: |
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Whiterun_Guard_ 05/03/24 3:16:27 AM #9: |
I never watched Super and fully intend not to, ever.
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Zikten 05/03/24 3:22:53 AM #10: |
is the bardock movie where he becomes a super sayian considered canon? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Foppe 05/03/24 4:10:32 AM #11: |
Zikten posted...
is the bardock movie where he becomes a super sayian considered canon?nope --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Irony 05/03/24 4:11:42 AM #12: |
He was arguably not even canon until Super
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Foppe 05/03/24 4:15:41 AM #13: |
Irony posted...
He was arguably not even canon until Superhttps://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/d08b4623.jpg How cant he be canon when Frieza mentions him? --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Irony 05/03/24 4:16:54 AM #14: |
I actually forgot about that
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Zikten 05/03/24 4:23:07 AM #15: |
Foppe posted... nopeDamn. That movie had a good fate for Bardock ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MagnaPiedmon 05/03/24 4:46:02 AM #16: |
Irony posted... I actually forgot about that The last one in his way after he and his father controlled them for years and years Nothing strange about it ... Copied to Clipboard!
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uwnim 05/03/24 6:36:41 AM #17: |
Scotty_Rogers posted...
@uwnim And so Bulma isn't needed to start Goku's adventure.Not seeing the connection there. Pilaf taking over the world isnt fatal to Goku. --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hyena_Of_Ice 05/03/24 6:43:52 AM #18: |
Irony posted... I actually forgot about that The Bardock Special is canon. The special where Bardock goes Super Saiyan against Chilled is not. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HentaiMan 05/03/24 6:45:59 AM #19: |
What about Dragon ball Daima >_<
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Hornezz 05/03/24 6:47:29 AM #20: |
Full_Pokedex posted...
The hell is a Daima?New upcoming series https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYcrmsdZuyw --- In dentibus anticis frustum magnum spinaciae habes. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Scotty_Rogers 05/03/24 6:49:48 AM #21: |
uwnim posted...
Not seeing the connection there. Pilaf taking over the world isnt fatal to Goku. You said that Pilaf or the RRA would kill Goku if they took his ball and he went after them. Bardock's wish protects Goku when he's a child fammy fam --- Fammy fam ... Copied to Clipboard!
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uwnim 05/03/24 6:57:27 AM #22: |
Scotty_Rogers posted...
You said that Pilaf or the RRA would kill Goku if they took his ball and he went after them. Bardock's wish protects Goku when he's a child fammy famRRA totally would have killed him. Pilaf not so much. So this clearly results in Pilaf stealing his dragon ball and taking over the world. Since if Pilaf fails, that means the red ribbon army will get to try. --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tremain07 05/03/24 7:13:17 AM #23: |
Hyena_Of_Ice posted...
The Bardock Special is canon. The special where Bardock goes Super Saiyan against Chilled is not.No it isn't go read minus --- A worthless existence ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Foppe 05/03/24 7:28:49 AM #24: |
Father of Goku was canon until DB Minus.
Episode of Bardock was never canon. The Broly movie got the canon version of Bardock. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Scotty_Rogers 05/03/24 12:10:06 PM #25: |
uwnim posted...
RRA totally would have killed him. @uwnim No, because Bardock's wish with the Cerealian Dragon Balls was protecting him. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/6b94d8a4.jpg So even if he takes on the RRA, he won't die as long as he's a kid. Stop trying to overwrite the manga with head canon So this clearly results in Pilaf taking Goku on his quest for the balls like Bulma did and becoming his friend, yes. Along the way, Goku meets Roshi and becomes his disciple as in the series. --- Fammy fam ... Copied to Clipboard!
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uwnim 05/03/24 1:11:47 PM #26: |
If pre-Roshi Goku fought the RRA, hed die. Recognizing that isnt headcanon. So obviously, that is something that cant happen.
In the actual story, Bulma drags him on an Adventure. If that doesnt happen, then either Pilaf steals the ball and Goku remains at the mountain or Pilaf recruits Goku. You think the 2nd happens, I think the first would. --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Scotty_Rogers 05/03/24 1:16:34 PM #27: |
uwnim posted...
If pre-Roshi Goku fought the RRA, hed die. He wouldn't, because Bardock's wish is to protect him at all times he's a child. This means that even if he gets his ass beaten by the RRA dudes, he'd survive to grow up healthy and strong. Like when he got his ass kicked by Daimao the first time, but miraculously survived for no apparent reason even though Daimao confirmed his heart had stopped. uwnim posted... If that doesnt happen, then either Pilaf steals the ball and Goku remains at the mountain or Pilaf recruits Goku. You think the 2nd happens, I think the first would. If Pilaf steals his ball, then Goku leaves the mountains in search of the ball and from there it's anyone's guess what happens. Whatever happens, though, Goku doesn't die. --- Fammy fam ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jiek_Fafn 05/03/24 1:16:35 PM #28: |
Irony posted...
I actually forgot about thatFrieza thinks Saiyins are gross and he found Bardock exceptionally ugly. Frieza prefers more of a sleek look. --- I don't believe in belts. There should be no ranking system for toughness. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Scotty_Rogers 05/03/24 2:10:25 PM #29: |
It's funny because in the Path to Power movie, Goku fights the RRA without any training from Roshi and guess what? He beats them lol
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s0nicfan 05/03/24 2:14:05 PM #30: |
Scotty_Rogers posted...
@uwnim And so Bulma isn't needed to start Goku's adventure. If anything, Bardock's wish led directly to kid Goku meeting Bulma, since the wish was for him to thrive not just survive and without her he'd just be a monkey man in the woods. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Foppe 05/03/24 2:15:43 PM #31: |
Scotty_Rogers posted...
It's funny because in the Path to Power movie, Goku fights the RRA without any training from Roshi and guess what? He beats them lolAnd that movie was never canon. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Scotty_Rogers 05/03/24 2:18:42 PM #32: |
s0nicfan posted...
If anything, Bardock's wish led directly to kid Goku meeting Bulma, since the wish was for him to thrive not just survive lol nope. It was just for him to "grow up healthy and strong". Thrive is a Viz mistranslation. and without her he'd just be a monkey man in the woods. Pilaf would have come for his ball and taken him on his quest, so no. --- Fammy fam ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Scotty_Rogers 05/03/24 2:22:59 PM #33: |
Foppe posted...
And that movie was never canon. Canon is irrelevant. As the film shows, the story could have easily been written so that Goku could fight the Red Ribbon army without any training from Roshi and not be killed. --- Fammy fam ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Foppe 05/03/24 2:26:20 PM #34: |
Scotty_Rogers posted...
Canon is irrelevant. As the film shows, the story could have easily been written so that Goku could fight the Red Ribbon army without any training from Roshi and not be killed. So, it's not necessary for him to train with Roshi first at all.And they could make a story that starts with Frieza landing next to his house and have him be defeated by kid Goku, which means it is not necessary for Goku to train at all. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Scotty_Rogers 05/03/24 2:30:28 PM #35: |
Foppe posted...
And they could make a story that starts with Frieza landing next to his house and have him be defeated by kid Goku, which means it is not necessary for Goku to train at all. Exactly. You people pretend there's any rhyme or reason to the plot when it's all arbitrary and decided at the author's whim lol. The only thing that matters is showing flashy fights because that's what brings the money in. As long as there's fighting, it doesn't matter what the plot is about. --- Fammy fam ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 05/03/24 2:31:08 PM #36: |
if it's all arbitrary and decided at the author's whim than you really need to stop pretending like Bulma wasn't central to the plot since the author's whim specifically made her a core part of the story and Goku's journey.
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Scotty_Rogers 05/03/24 2:46:27 PM #37: |
s0nicfan posted...
if it's all arbitrary and decided at the author's whim than you really need to stop pretending like Bulma wasn't central to the plot since the author's whim specifically made her a core part of the story and Goku's journey. The author's whim didn't make her a core part of the story. The only thing she did was encounter Goku at the start, which someone else could have done (and was going to do sooner or later, as we see with Pilaf), and then she's just used as the butt of countless perverted, misogynist gags for the rest of her time in the series. Since she's only relevant for a very small part of the story at best, you can write her out entirely and nothing important would change. You can't be important to a plot if the plot itself is unimportant lol. It's nothing more than an excuse to show fighting; if you're not fighting, then you're worthless in the series because you aren't what brings the money in. --- Fammy fam ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jupiter 05/03/24 2:48:19 PM #38: |
What's this about Father of Goku no longer being canon? And what is this Dragon Ball Minus? What all was retconned?
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Foppe 05/03/24 2:51:14 PM #39: |
Jupiter posted...
What's this about Father of Goku no longer being canon? And what is this Dragon Ball Minus? What all was retconned?He was never un-canon, just what happened was un-canon. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jupiter 05/03/24 2:52:54 PM #40: |
Foppe posted...
He was never un-canon, just what happened was un-canon.I more so meant the special itself, not Bardock. --- Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/kid_prodigy23 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Scotty_Rogers 05/03/24 2:54:34 PM #41: |
Toriyama said in 1995...
Up until the Tenkaichi Budkai began, the series hadnt been all that popular. Thats what Torishima-san had told me. Your protagonist is rather plain. Thats why its not popular., he said. Personally, since I was doing a fighting story for this series, I had intentionally made the protagonists clothing excessively plain. So this annoyed me, but then I figured it out. Well, lets increase its popularity I thought. When I had designed Gokus character, the words that best represented him were I want to become strong. So I thought Id bring that to the front. Even during Dr. Slump, the tournament-like events such as the Penguin Village Gran Prix or the Mini-Event had been amazingly popular. So Id simply make the story into a tournament format. From there the Tenkaichi Budkai was born. I temporarily withdrew the other characters besides Goku, brought back Kame-Sennin, and added Kuririn as a new character. From there it got popular before I knew it. Toriyama's editor Torishima said in 2020... Torishima: At first, Dragon Ball wasn't that popular. The only thing that matters in Dragon Ball is the fighting because that's what makes it popular. Arguing about the plot is a waste of time because it's all arbitrary nonsense; the only thing people are tuning in for are the battles. --- Fammy fam ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Foppe 05/03/24 2:54:51 PM #42: |
Dragon Ball Minus is a chapter made by Akira that retconned Gokus backstory into a copy of Superman.
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Scotty_Rogers 05/03/24 2:56:37 PM #43: |
Jupiter posted...
I more so meant the special itself, not Bardock. The special itself was canon, as it was referenced in the original manga. --- Fammy fam ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 05/03/24 2:59:10 PM #44: |
Scotty_Rogers posted...
The author's whim didn't make her a core part of the story. The only thing she did was encounter Goku at the start, which someone else could have done (and was going to do sooner or later, as we see with Pilaf), and then she's just used as the butt of countless perverted, misogynist gags for the rest of her time in the series. Since she's only relevant for a very small part of the story at best, you can write her out entirely and nothing important would change. Someone else could have but Toriyama had Bulma be that person due to author's whims. Maybe you could write her out but, again, author's whims didn't and she was there and did important stuff. No amount of "but if she wasn't there someone else would have" changes that fact. Stop denying the author's whims. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Scotty_Rogers 05/03/24 3:21:44 PM #45: |
s0nicfan posted...
Someone else could have but Toriyama had Bulma be that person due to author's whims. That's arbitrary and thus, unimportant. If you only do something on a whim, then there is no purpose to it. Maybe you could write her out but, again, author's whims didn't If you could easily write her out, then she's not necessary to include. did important stuff. Being used for countless perverted misogynist gags isn't important. People don't watch Dragon Ball for the sex jokes; they watch it for the battles. Stop denying the author's whims. Stop pretending whims matter, or that someone's actions have meaning simply because they choose to take them. Imagine someone blows up their own home and they claim it was because they didn't like living there, even though they could have easily just moved out. They didn't like living there, so was it necessary to blow it up? No, because they could have just moved out. "Doesn't matter! They chose to do it so it was necessary" Asinine logic. --- Fammy fam ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 05/03/24 3:25:35 PM #46: |
Scotty_Rogers posted...
Stop pretending whims matter, Scotty_Rogers posted... Exactly. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Scotty_Rogers 05/03/24 3:27:31 PM #47: |
You're the one pretending the plot matters, not me lol.
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s0nicfan 05/03/24 3:31:27 PM #48: |
Scotty_Rogers posted...
You're the one pretending the plot matters, not me lol. If plot doesn't matter than there's no reason to try and trivialize Bulma's involvement. You're the one constantly trying to re-write the narrative in all these topics. Hell, how many times in this topic have you talked about what the writing could have been? --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Scotty_Rogers 05/03/24 3:38:14 PM #49: |
Like, was that supposed to be a gotcha moment?
The author's whims don't matter, so if they decide the plot, then the plot doesn't matter by extension. s0nicfan posted... If plot doesn't matter than there's no reason to try and trivialize Bulma's involvement. The plot is all a lazy, convenient excuse to show flashy fights. Bulma doesn't fight, so she isn't important. This isn't trivializing her involvement; it's calling her out for the minor background character that she is no matter how you fuss over the most minuscule of details. s0nicfan posted... You're the one constantly trying to re-write the narrative in all these topics. To exemplify my point that the plot doesn't matter. If you can easily change it into something else, then it's not important. --- Fammy fam ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kami_no_Kami 05/03/24 3:42:32 PM #50: |
Irony posted... He was arguably not even canon until SuperSupers not canon. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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