Board 8 > What four games belong on the Fighting Games Mount Rushmore? +TIEBREAKER

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skulltrumpets 05/04/24 10:20:38 AM #51:	Street Fighter II Super Smash Bros. Melee Mortal Kombat King of Fighters '98 Thanks guys for the lack of SF2 discourse so I can just follow the crowd. I controversially prefer Brawl and less controversially prefer Ultimate, but I can't ignore the Melee impact. Only Ultimate comes close to it when it comes to Rushmore viability I think. Last two spots were hard. If it was personal, I'd go with Soul Calibur and Tekken titles, and Tekken is still heavy consideration for a rep. But I think these two cover good bases based on userbase and aesthetic appeal. Not sure how much else would come close as someone who doesn't really play fighters. MvC is a good shout but I like SSB better in the crossover department. Maybe Guilty Gear? <cite>skulltrumpets posted [p:980233806] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>Street Fighter IISuper Smash Bros. MeleeMortal KombatKing of Fighters '98Thanks guys for the lack of SF2 discourse so I can just follow the crowd.I controversially prefer Brawl and less controversially prefer Ultimate, but I can't ignore the Melee impact. Only Ultimate comes close to it when it comes to Rushmore viability I think. Last two spots were hard. If it was personal, I'd go with Soul Calibur and Tekken titles, and Tekken is still heavy consideration for a rep. But I think these two cover good bases based on userbase and aesthetic appeal.Not sure how much else would come close as someone who doesn't really play fighters. MvC is a good shout but I like SSB better in the crossover department. Maybe Guilty Gear? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DomaDragoon 05/04/24 12:32:30 PM #52:	Street Fighter II Super Smash Bros Melee King of Fighters '98 Soul Calibur 2 --- Congratulations to azuarc, Guru champion! <cite>DomaDragoon posted [p:980235204] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>Street Fighter IISuper Smash Bros MeleeKing of Fighters '98Soul Calibur 2 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 05/04/24 12:42:20 PM #53:	Nominate rare video games (as in hard to find or expensive, not the company) --- darkx <cite>Underleveled posted [p:980235327] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>Nominate rare video games (as in hard to find or expensive, not the company) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yellowwolley 05/04/24 1:01:18 PM #54:	Super Street Fighter II Mortal Kombat II Tekken 2 Soul Calubur 2 ALL the 2s lol --- FC: SW-2565-5813-5018. 2DS-3239-3621-4530. Ign/TSV. UM Bruno/1041. Sun Amy/1856. X Kevin/1740. AS Krystal/1520. Shiny list:http://tinyurl.com/yellowwolleypokes <cite>yellowwolley posted [p:980235578] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>Super Street Fighter IIMortal Kombat IITekken 2Soul Calubur 2ALL the 2s lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mcflubbin 05/04/24 1:15:51 PM #55:	Street Fighter II Street Fighter IV Tekken 3 Marvel vs. Capcom 2 --- It's not so impossible! <cite>mcflubbin posted [p:980235800] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>Street Fighter II Street Fighter IVTekken 3Marvel vs. Capcom 2 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iiaattgg 05/04/24 1:26:25 PM #56:	Street Fighter II MvC2 Soul Calibur II SSBM lots of 2s lol --- "The only 'ist' I am, is atheist" - Neil DeGrasse Tyson <cite>iiaattgg posted [p:980235974] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>Street Fighter IIMvC2Soul Calibur IISSBMlots of 2s lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 05/04/24 1:36:52 PM #57:	Melee getting so many votes that say "oh yeah it's always on here 100%" is just evidence of what you get when you have a group of people who don't really play fighting games make a Rushmore for fighting games. Like I'm not saying Melee or Ultimate can't at least be considered for this but full stop the only "this is a total lock" entry in this one is Street Fighter 2. There are just too many milestone entries, and popularizing a subgenre of fighting games and overall sales figures is a compelling reason to vote Smash Bros but in terms of the genre itself I feel it influenced little aside from "made a few very high selling popular games"-- it's really off on its own island in terms of penetration into the genre. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:980236141] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>Melee getting so many votes that say "oh yeah it's always on here 100%" is just evidence of what you get when you have a group of people who don't really play fighting games make a Rushmore for fighting games.Like I'm not saying Melee or Ultimate can't at least be considered for this but full stop the only "this is a total lock" entry in this one is Street Fighter 2. There are just too many milestone entries, and popularizing a subgenre of fighting games and overall sales figures is a compelling reason to vote Smash Bros but in terms of the genre itself I feel it influenced little aside from "made a few very high selling popular games"-- it's really off on its own island in terms of penetration into the genre. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fiop 05/04/24 1:47:43 PM #58:	Street Fighter 2 Mortal Kombat Smash Melee Tekken 3 Leaning more towards earlier games in franchises. MvC2 is good too - maybe it could replace MK if I wanted more game style variety. --- "so is my word...It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it." - Isaiah 55:11 <cite>Fiop posted [p:980236347] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>Street Fighter 2Mortal KombatSmash MeleeTekken 3Leaning more towards earlier games in franchises. MvC2 is good too - maybe it could replace MK if I wanted more game style variety. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 05/04/24 1:47:43 PM #59:	I've played plenty of fighting games Melee created its own brand of fighter that many people have tried to copy You can argue the fact that almost all of them suck is a reason to exclude Melee but to say it's had no impact on the genre is flatly untrue --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:980236348] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>I've played plenty of fighting gamesMelee created its own brand of fighter that many people have tried to copyYou can argue the fact that almost all of them suck is a reason to exclude Melee but to say it's had no impact on the genre is flatly untrue </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningStrikes 05/04/24 1:50:31 PM #60:	Mortal Kombat Street Fighter II Super Smash Bros Ultimate Soul Calibur --- I just decided to change this sig. Blaaaaaaargh azuarc <cite>LightningStrikes posted [p:980236405] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>Mortal KombatStreet Fighter IISuper Smash Bros UltimateSoul Calibur </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 05/04/24 1:59:53 PM #61:	Leonhart4 posted... You can argue the fact that almost all of them suck is a reason to exclude Melee but to say it's had no impact on the genre is flatly untrue I think the fact that all of them suck is exactly why it has had very little impact on the genre You've got Smash Bros and a few platform fighters that no one sniffs about. It's not influence on the genre-- it's a hit game that people are trying to copy to get some easy money. If 3D style Fighters were all a joke aside from Tekken I'd argue Tekken shouldn't really be here either. But you've got several successful franchises that didn't directly copy Tekken as much as use elements and build off them to be their own thing. That's the difference between real influence on the genre and being in a profitable vacuum like Smash is. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:980236575] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>Leonhart4 posted... </cite><quote>You can argue the fact that almost all of them suck is a reason to exclude Melee but to say it's had no impact on the genre is flatly untrue</quote>I think the fact that all of them suck is exactly why it has had very little impact on the genreYou've got Smash Bros and a few platform fighters that no one sniffs about. It's not influence on the genre-- it's a hit game that people are trying to copy to get some easy money. If 3D style Fighters were all a joke aside from Tekken I'd argue Tekken shouldn't really be here either. But you've got several successful franchises that didn't directly copy Tekken as much as use elements and build off them to be their own thing. That's the difference between real influence on the genre and being in a profitable vacuum like Smash is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 05/04/24 2:01:21 PM #62:	And again I'm not saying Smash can't be here I just take umbrage at a bunch of people saying it's a LOCK to be here. It absolutely should not be a lock. Fighters were here before Smash and they would be here without Smash existing in pretty much exactly the same state they are now. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:980236599] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>And again I'm not saying Smash can't be hereI just take umbrage at a bunch of people saying it's a LOCK to be here. It absolutely should not be a lock. Fighters were here before Smash and they would be here without Smash existing in pretty much exactly the same state they are now. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 05/04/24 2:09:19 PM #63:	I wonder if the genre would be as healthy without Smash's existence. I guess people would argue that the Smash fanbase is different from the general fighting game fanbase, but I think it did expand the base. --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:980236747] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>I wonder if the genre would be as healthy without Smash's existence.I guess people would argue that the Smash fanbase is different from the general fighting game fanbase, but I think it did expand the base. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 05/04/24 2:13:29 PM #64:	Street Fighter IV and Marvel vs Capcom 3 did a lot more for the genre's health than Smash ever did imo. If anything Brawl specifically might have been a net negative for the genre's health. That game was antihype and we're lucky SFIV and Marvel 3 came out shortly after it. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:980236841] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>Street Fighter IV and Marvel vs Capcom 3 did a lot more for the genre's health than Smash ever did imo.If anything Brawl specifically might have been a net negative for the genre's health. That game was antihype and we're lucky SFIV and Marvel 3 came out shortly after it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiteLens 05/04/24 2:18:24 PM #65:	Leonhart4 posted... I guess people would argue that the Smash fanbase is different from the general fighting game fanbase, but I think it did expand the base. Yes. MenaRD, widely considered among the best Street Fighter players in present day, did compete in Smash Bros in the past. https://www.ssbwiki.com/Smasher:MenaRD --- FFXIV - Faerie Server: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/5086952/ F/GO: 271551102; Bleach Brave Souls: 56688058 <cite>WhiteLens posted [p:980236940] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>Leonhart4 posted... </cite><quote>I guess people would argue that the Smash fanbase is different from the general fighting game fanbase, but I think it did expand the base.</quote>Yes. MenaRD, widely considered among the best Street Fighter players in present day, did compete in Smash Bros in the past.https://www.ssbwiki.com/Smasher:MenaRD </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 05/04/24 2:19:37 PM #66:	WhiteLens posted... Yes. MenaRD, widely considered among the best Street Fighter players in present day, did compete in Smash Bros in the past. https://www.ssbwiki.com/Smasher:MenaRD The fact that you can only name one and not several is negative support for the idea that it notably expanded the genre. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:980236967] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>WhiteLens posted... </cite><quote>Yes. MenaRD, widely considered among the best Street Fighter players in present day, did compete in Smash Bros in the past.https://www.ssbwiki.com/Smasher:MenaRD</quote>The fact that you can only name one and not several is negative support for the idea that it notably expanded the genre. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 05/04/24 2:28:57 PM #67:	I'm not concerned about whether the competitive fighting guys are playing Smash. I'd say they're more likely to be snobs about Smash than the average fan. --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:980237121] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>I'm not concerned about whether the competitive fighting guys are playing Smash. I'd say they're more likely to be snobs about Smash than the average fan. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 05/04/24 2:32:22 PM #68:	They'd have to mutually be snobs. Crossover goes both ways. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:980237189] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>They'd have to mutually be snobs. Crossover goes both ways. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 05/04/24 2:35:36 PM #69:	Which is fine. I don't care if competitive Smash players are playing other stuff either! That's a very tiny percentage of the overall fanbase. --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:980237251] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>Which is fine. I don't care if competitive Smash players are playing other stuff either! That's a very tiny percentage of the overall fanbase. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iiaattgg 05/04/24 2:36:15 PM #70:	Smash if anything is probably the biggest lock on here lmao --- "The only 'ist' I am, is atheist" - Neil DeGrasse Tyson <cite>iiaattgg posted [p:980237266] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>Smash if anything is probably the biggest lock on here lmao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 05/04/24 2:40:18 PM #71:	"It is goodest game so it is lockest game" - iiaattgg (paraphrased) --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:980237333] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>"It is goodest game so it is lockest game" - iiaattgg (paraphrased) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iiaattgg 05/04/24 2:43:28 PM #72:	Lopen posted... "It is goodest game so it is lockest game" - iiaattgg (paraphrased) )paraphrased) was a nice touch --- "The only 'ist' I am, is atheist" - Neil DeGrasse Tyson <cite>iiaattgg posted [p:980237391] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>Lopen posted... </cite><quote>"It is goodest game so it is lockest game" - iiaattgg (paraphrased)</quote> )paraphrased) was a nice touch </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChichiriMuyo 05/04/24 2:54:53 PM #73:	Leonhart4 posted... I wonder if the genre would be as healthy without Smash's existence. I guess people would argue that the Smash fanbase is different from the general fighting game fanbase, but I think it did expand the base. I can't for the life of me see how Smash has any impact on the success of other fighting games. It is different enough from other fighters that I doubt there is much direct crossover. --- Existence. Existence is but shallow question with no answer. Buu make you chicken nuggies! <cite>ChichiriMuyo posted [p:980237547] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>Leonhart4 posted... </cite><quote>I wonder if the genre would be as healthy without Smash's existence.I guess people would argue that the Smash fanbase is different from the general fighting game fanbase, but I think it did expand the base.</quote>I can't for the life of me see how Smash has any impact on the success of other fighting games. It is different enough from other fighters that I doubt there is much direct crossover. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 05/04/24 3:03:41 PM #76:	UltimaterializerX posted... Melee belongs here for inventing the most popular subgenre in the history of fighting games. It would be like leaving Street Fighter 2 off the list SF2 is now a "subgenre of fighting games" --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:980237731] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>UltimaterializerX posted... </cite><quote>Melee belongs here for inventing the most popular subgenre in the history of fighting games. It would be like leaving Street Fighter 2 off the list</quote>SF2 is now a "subgenre of fighting games" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 05/04/24 3:10:06 PM #77:	Honestly I don't know if Platform Fighting really counts as a notable genre Imagine every horror movie but zombie movies completely flopped. Would horror even be a genre or they just be called scary Sci-Fi/Fantasy movies that have zombies in them. The "sub-genre" IS Smash. It is the most popular sub genre because Smash is a popular game but yeah. That just boils down to "Smash is popular" not "it invented a popular sub-genre" --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:980237877] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>Honestly I don't know if Platform Fighting really counts as a notable genreImagine every horror movie but zombie movies completely flopped. Would horror even be a genre or they just be called scary Sci-Fi/Fantasy movies that have zombies in them. The "sub-genre" IS Smash. It is the most popular sub genre because Smash is a popular game but yeah. That just boils down to "Smash is popular" not "it invented a popular sub-genre" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 05/04/24 3:19:24 PM #78:	What are the other fighting game subgenres anyway? --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:980238063] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>What are the other fighting game subgenres anyway? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 05/04/24 3:21:33 PM #79:	2d fighter 2.5d fighter 3d fighter For me that's basically it. Like I guess you could dig up specific things like "tag fighter" or "gory fighter" or "crossover fighter" which to me is the finer subdivisioning where you start putting platform/party fighters aka Smash in. But even those subdivisions have more "genre" cred than platform fighting cause they exist in more than one series that was successful --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:980238095] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>2d fighter2.5d fighter3d fighterFor me that's basically it. Like I guess you could dig up specific things like "tag fighter" or "gory fighter" or "crossover fighter" which to me is the finer subdivisioning where you start putting platform/party fighters aka Smash in. But even those subdivisions have more "genre" cred than platform fighting cause they exist in more than one series that was successful </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 05/04/24 3:23:47 PM #80:	To me, 2-D or 3-D is a category. I guess tag fighter would qualify as a subgenre. --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:980238134] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>To me, 2-D or 3-D is a category. I guess tag fighter would qualify as a subgenre. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiteLens 05/04/24 3:26:59 PM #81:	There are Arena Fighters, which is what Dissidia and a bunch of anime fighting games are. I don't know what the likes of Power Stone, Ehrgeiz, and Super Dragon Ball are seen as. Unless you want to lump all of those as 3D fighters. --- FFXIV - Faerie Server: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/5086952/ F/GO: 271551102; Bleach Brave Souls: 56688058 <cite>WhiteLens posted [p:980238201] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>There are Arena Fighters, which is what Dissidia and a bunch of anime fighting games are.I don't know what the likes of Power Stone, Ehrgeiz, and Super Dragon Ball are seen as.Unless you want to lump all of those as 3D fighters. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 05/04/24 3:28:12 PM #82:	If I were to include X-Men vs Street Fighter or Marvel vs Capcom 2 on the list it wouldn't be because they "invented the tag fighting genre" but they do have elements that permeate into fighting games as a whole, tag fighting being one of them. Assists, absurd combo counts/visual effects, and using multiple IPs would be almost more notable though. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:980238221] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>If I were to include X-Men vs Street Fighter or Marvel vs Capcom 2 on the list it wouldn't be because they "invented the tag fighting genre" but they do have elements that permeate into fighting games as a whole, tag fighting being one of them. Assists, absurd combo counts/visual effects, and using multiple IPs would be almost more notable though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 05/04/24 3:29:04 PM #83:	Man I didn't even think of Dissidia I'd say games like that where you're getting fanfiction wish fulfillment in a fighter is what Smash really created Maybe "Wish Fulfillment" should be the name of the subgenre --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:980238232] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>Man I didn't even think of DissidiaI'd say games like that where you're getting fanfiction wish fulfillment in a fighter is what Smash really created Maybe "Wish Fulfillment" should be the name of the subgenre </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 05/04/24 3:31:12 PM #84:	Leonhart4 posted... I'd say games like that where you're getting fanfiction wish fulfillment in a fighter is what Smash really created I would say Smash helped that along but that actually started with X-Men vs Street Fighter --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:980238271] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>Leonhart4 posted... </cite><quote>I'd say games like that where you're getting fanfiction wish fulfillment in a fighter is what Smash really created</quote>I would say Smash helped that along but that actually started with X-Men vs Street Fighter </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 05/04/24 3:33:13 PM #85:	Side note I actually think X-Men vs Street Fighter is a better rep than Marvel vs Capcom 2/3 because of this but no one is voting it. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:980238314] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>Side note I actually think X-Men vs Street Fighter is a better rep than Marvel vs Capcom 2/3 because of this but no one is voting it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 05/04/24 3:33:41 PM #86:	Well, I'd say Smash codified it more than invented it. Which is what we're giving SF2 credit for (and Tekken/SC instead of Virtua Fighter). --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:980238325] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>Well, I'd say Smash codified it more than invented it. Which is what we're giving SF2 credit for (and Tekken/SC instead of Virtua Fighter). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiteLens 05/04/24 3:36:41 PM #87:	Clearly it was The King of Fighters '94. Kids seeing all those SNK characters together in a fighting game must have been a treat to them. --- FFXIV - Faerie Server: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/5086952/ F/GO: 271551102; Bleach Brave Souls: 56688058 <cite>WhiteLens posted [p:980238384] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>Clearly it was The King of Fighters '94. Kids seeing all those SNK characters together in a fighting game must have been a treat to them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 05/04/24 3:36:43 PM #88:	I guess I just think X-Men vs Street Fighter and all its follow ups (they were 3 games deep before Smash) means Smash was wholly unneeded for that I mean Ehrgeiz came out before Smash! --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:980238388] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>I guess I just think X-Men vs Street Fighter and all its follow ups (they were 3 games deep before Smash) means Smash was wholly unneeded for thatI mean Ehrgeiz came out before Smash! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 05/04/24 3:38:43 PM #89:	WhiteLens posted... Clearly it was The King of Fighters '94. Kids seeing all those SNK characters together in a fighting game must have been a treat to them. Honestly feel KoF94 unironically deserves credit for the crossover stuff and team based stuff that's why I was thinking about KoF to begin with. Just think 98 kinda "represents" that influence about as well and was way more popular (kinda like Melee is, rightfully, getting votes over Smash 64) --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:980238427] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>WhiteLens posted... </cite><quote>Clearly it was The King of Fighters '94. Kids seeing all those SNK characters together in a fighting game must have been a treat to them.</quote>Honestly feel KoF94 unironically deserves credit for the crossover stuff and team based stuff that's why I was thinking about KoF to begin with. Just think 98 kinda "represents" that influence about as well and was way more popular (kinda like Melee is, rightfully, getting votes over Smash 64) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 05/04/24 3:43:28 PM #90:	We should probably be giving Super Street Fighter II Turbo credit for popularizing the super meter since that's in every 2-D Fighter now (Although it wasn't actually the first game to use it. That was TMNT Tournament Fighters) --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:980238503] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>We should probably be giving Super Street Fighter II Turbo credit for popularizing the super meter since that's in every 2-D Fighter now(Although it wasn't actually the first game to use it. That was TMNT Tournament Fighters) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 05/04/24 3:47:51 PM #91:	Lopen is right about this entire thing, and this in particular... UltimaterializerX posted... Melee belongs here for inventing the most popular subgenre in the history of fighting games. It would be like leaving Street Fighter 2 off the list. You cannot objectively do it and be taken seriously. You could MAYBE make a case not to include Mortal Kombat, Tekken, or MvC2. Maybe. You cannot reasonably make a case for SF2 or Melee not to be here. ...Is wrong. 3D fighters are the most popular subgenre. If this is the argument we're going with then Tekken justly deserves the slot over any Smash rep. Votes: Street Fighter 2 Mortal Kombat 2 Tekken 3 King of Fighters '98 These feel right. Quick explanations for each vote: -SF2: Genre bedrock. 'Nuff said. -MK2: Street Fighter 2 invented fighting games as we know them. MK2 proved they were a real genre and not a one-off. The exact argument used against Smash (no legacy except itself) cements MK's spot. -Tekken 3: Tekken is the genre turning point in general. The first franchise to consistently outsell SF. 3d fighting games are slept on, but they are more mainstream popular than 2ds! -KoF98: I am from South America. KoF is like football here - it is an instinct. The world plays KoF. It belongs here for bridging all cultural divides. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:980238586] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>Lopen is right about this entire thing, and this in particular...UltimaterializerX posted... </cite><quote>Melee belongs here for inventing the most popular subgenre in the history of fighting games. It would be like leaving Street Fighter 2 off the list. You cannot objectively do it and be taken seriously. You could MAYBE make a case not to include Mortal Kombat, Tekken, or MvC2. Maybe. You cannot reasonably make a case for SF2 or Melee not to be here.</quote>...Is wrong. 3D fighters are the most popular subgenre. If this is the argument we're going with then Tekken justly deserves the slot over any Smash rep.Votes:Street Fighter 2Mortal Kombat 2Tekken 3King of Fighters '98These feel right. Quick explanations for each vote:-SF2: Genre bedrock. 'Nuff said.-MK2: Street Fighter 2 invented fighting games as we know them. MK2 proved they were a real genre and not a one-off. The exact argument used against Smash (no legacy except itself) cements MK's spot.-Tekken 3: Tekken is the genre turning point in general. The first franchise to consistently outsell SF. 3d fighting games are slept on, but they are more mainstream popular than 2ds!-KoF98: I am from South America. KoF is like football here - it is an instinct. The world plays KoF. It belongs here for bridging all cultural divides. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 05/04/24 3:48:06 PM #92:	Art of Fighting and Fatal Fury deserve probably more credit for supers existing conceptually. Which is another nod to why KoF98 is a good rep. It kinda gives a nod to all of SNK's contributions to the genre, which are a ton and way exceed Smash's island of well received games --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:980238593] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>Art of Fighting and Fatal Fury deserve probably more credit for supers existing conceptually. Which is another nod to why KoF98 is a good rep. It kinda gives a nod to all of SNK's contributions to the genre, which are a ton and way exceed Smash's island of well received games </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
firefdr 05/04/24 3:50:09 PM #93:	Smash 64 Smash Melee Smash Brawl Smash Ultimate <cite>firefdr posted [p:980238638] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>Smash 64Smash MeleeSmash BrawlSmash Ultimate</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 05/04/24 4:09:33 PM #96:	I mean You do realize Tekken as a series (alone) has sold pretty close to what Smash as a series has right Ulti. Add in Soul Calibur, Dead or Alive, Virtua Fighter, and whatever other ones did anything and 3d fighters probably beat platform fighters in terms of total sales pretty convincingly Granted Tekken has like 3x the games Smash does but it shows your ignorance to say 3d fighters don't have any ground to stand --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:980238962] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>I meanYou do realize Tekken as a series (alone) has sold pretty close to what Smash as a series has right Ulti. Add in Soul Calibur, Dead or Alive, Virtua Fighter, and whatever other ones did anything and 3d fighters probably beat platform fighters in terms of total sales pretty convincinglyGranted Tekken has like 3x the games Smash does but it shows your ignorance to say 3d fighters don't have any ground to stand </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 05/04/24 4:12:34 PM #98:	I'm not saying Tekken is more popular than Smash Just that Tekken is a big deal as a series and even a purely sales argument (which is the only one Smash really has) doesn't put it out of the running against Smash --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:980239013] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>I'm not saying Tekken is more popular than SmashJust that Tekken is a big deal as a series and even a purely sales argument (which is the only one Smash really has) doesn't put it out of the running against Smash </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Seanchan 05/04/24 4:13:15 PM #99:	Street Fighter 2 Mortal Kombat Fatal Fury Yie Ar Kung-Fu --- "That was unnecessarily dramatic". - NY Mets motto (courtesy of InnerTubeHero) Congratulations to azuarc, the guru of gurus and winner of GotD 2020! <cite>Seanchan posted [p:980239022] in What four ... [t:80761724]...</cite> <quote>Street Fighter 2Mortal KombatFatal FuryYie Ar Kung-Fu </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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