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Pororin
05/05/24 1:07:12 AM
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hitokoriX
05/05/24 1:08:11 AM
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Frieren is not an isekai. It is very good tho.

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ultimate_reaver
05/05/24 1:09:01 AM
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isekai are not just fantasy anime

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teep_
05/05/24 3:32:47 AM
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hitokoriX posted...
Frieren is not an isekai
This

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Now if you want to hear about good isekais, two shows I have for you are Konosuba and The Eminence in Shadow

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deoxxys
05/05/24 4:13:49 AM
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I love Isekai. But FreeRen is not Sukai

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DarthAragorn
05/05/24 4:17:00 AM
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Frieren is just traditional fantasy

And it's amazing, but it's not an isekai (and that's probably why it's good)

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GuerillaGorilla
05/05/24 4:26:02 AM
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teep_ posted...
The Eminence in Shadow
Absolute nonsense of a show.

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DuneMan
05/05/24 7:41:48 AM
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GuerillaGorilla posted...
Absolute nonsense of a show.
Like Konosuba it pokes fun at the isekai genre, just from the standpoint of the supposed edgelord protag.

When it comes to isekai in general, the more popular shows that were incorporated into Isekai Quartet are okay, but if you branch out into other stories you'll get a lot cringe, like MCs that purchase sex slaves and talk about how happy their slaves are to be their slaves, etc.

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SomeLikeItHoth
05/07/24 5:02:07 PM
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I finished Frieren a few days ago and I already miss it.

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ssb_yunglink2
05/07/24 5:03:36 PM
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Isekai got a bad rep and Frieren is not an isekai*

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Jiek_Fafn
05/07/24 5:13:35 PM
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DragonBall Z is my favorite isekai, but Frieren is pretty great too. Although the last arc of the anime didn't quite do it for me

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MyMainAccount
05/07/24 5:14:26 PM
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teep_ posted...
This

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Now if you want to hear about good isekais, two shows I have for you are Konosuba and The Eminence in Shadow
I also quite like Re Zero.

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ReiRei89
05/07/24 5:18:17 PM
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Re:Zero is fantastic. It's nice that the main character isn't overpowered (he's actually a scrub) and he starts as a selfish and crappy person and actually becomes better over the series.

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DuneMan
05/07/24 5:22:30 PM
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ReiRei89 posted...
Re:Zero is fantastic. It's nice that the main character isn't overpowered (he's actually a scrub) and he starts as a selfish and crappy person and actually becomes better over the series.
Just expect him to be trash for a season and power through it.

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ReiRei89
05/07/24 5:26:08 PM
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DuneMan posted...
Just expect him to be trash for a season and power through it.
Yeah he's at his worst in Season 1. The character development in S2 is great.

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DirkDiggles
05/07/24 5:30:03 PM
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Jiek_Fafn posted...
DragonBall Z is my favorite isekai, but Frieren is pretty great too. Although the last arc of the anime didn't quite do it for me

How is DBZ an isekai?

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pinky0926
05/07/24 5:32:28 PM
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So many Isekai shows get so embroiled in the in-universe dynamics that the plot completely forgets its a videogame world and the protagonist used to be someone else in the real world.

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Metal_Gear_Raxis
05/07/24 5:32:36 PM
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I'm In Love With the Villainess and So I'm a Spider, So What? Are actually good isekai

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ReiRei89
05/07/24 5:34:48 PM
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pinky0926 posted...
So many Isekai shows get so embroiled in the in-universe dynamics that the plot completely forgets its a videogame world and the protagonist used to be someone else in the real world.
Re:Zero isn't set in a video game world. A plot point is the MC convinces himself it's one and he suffers terribly as a result.

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ChocoboMogALT
05/07/24 5:52:36 PM
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Don't trust anyone who tells you Re:Zero is good. It's 110% cringe with all the bad writing of an isekai with half the tropes. S2 is worse than S1 because, by then, all the novelty is worn off.

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ReiRei89
05/07/24 5:54:02 PM
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ChocoboMogALT posted...
Don't trust anyone who tells you Re:Zero is good. It's 110% cringe with all the bad writing of an isekai with half the tropes. S2 is worse than S1 because, by then, all the novelty is worn off.
What tropes? Re:Zero doesn't have the overpowered protag that most Isekais have. It also doesn't really have the harem trope going for it as the MC likes one girl and another girl likes him which isn't a harem.

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ChocoboMogALT
05/07/24 5:58:29 PM
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ReiRei89 posted...
What tropes? Re:Zero doesn't have the overpowered protag that most Isekais have. It also doesn't really have the harem trope going for it as the MC likes one girl and another girl likes him which isn't a harem.
It's absolutely an isekai harem. Every girl is centered around Subaru. He has crazy plot armor, there's no reason for anyone to like him, he's a moron and yet is never punished for it, and he's got deus ex machina on top of itself.
Yeah, it's half the tropes because it doesn't have the system menu. That doesn't make it reasonably different from Is It Alright to Pick Up Girls in the Dungeon?

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Ratchetrockon
05/07/24 5:59:14 PM
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Oo I should watch frieren while grinding out runescape. Damn why didn't I think of this earlier

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Jiek_Fafn
05/07/24 5:59:28 PM
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DirkDiggles posted...
How is DBZ an isekai?
Many characters die and come back OP in another world. Then they do it again repeatedly. It out isekais most other isekais

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Pororin
05/07/24 6:34:44 PM
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SomeLikeItHoth posted...
I finished Frieren a few days ago and I already miss it.
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NoxObscuras
05/07/24 6:41:18 PM
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Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...
I'm In Love With the Villainess and So I'm a Spider, So What? Are actually good isekai
I loved 'So I'm a Spider, So What?'

I think 'Ascendence of a Bookworm' is also a fantastic Isekai and different from the typical power fantasy Isekai

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Rharyx211
05/07/24 6:43:20 PM
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Digimon is more of an isekai than Frieren.

Ratchetrockon posted...
Oo I should watch frieren while grinding out runescape. Damn why didn't I think of this earlier
Can you even pay attention to a show while doing something else? Like, part of the appeal of Frieren is getting immersed in their journey.

I feel like I'd just miss everything if I was playing a game with a show on in the background.

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Shotgunnova
05/07/24 6:44:33 PM
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Yeah, the spider and bookworm isekais are way more interesting than Re:Zero and (most of) the typical isekai power fantasies. I still like Overlord, though.

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DuneMan
05/07/24 7:10:13 PM
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If you can enjoy Overlord then The Saga of Tanya the Evil might be enjoyable. Basically a corporate jackass gets forcibly isekai'd into a little girl because his arrogance angered a god and left fighting a magical version of WWII for what would be the Germans.

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Shotgunnova
05/07/24 7:16:31 PM
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Yeah, I watched it when it came out.

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NoxObscuras
05/07/24 7:18:20 PM
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DuneMan posted...
If you can enjoy Overlord then The Saga of Tanya the Evil might be enjoyable. Basically a corporate jackass gets forcibly isekai'd into a little girl because his arrogance angered a god and left fighting a magical version of WWII for what would be the Germans.
Yeah, Tanya the Evil was great. But still no sign of when season 2 will come

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Tsukasa1891
05/07/24 7:23:05 PM
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DirkDiggles posted...
How is DBZ an isekai?
The namek saga was on another world.

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DirkDiggles
05/07/24 7:35:02 PM
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Tsukasa1891 posted...
The namek saga was on another world.

Did Bulma get hit by a truck?
Did Gohan put on a VR headset?
Did Krillin get summoned to another world or in another dimension?

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deoxxys
05/07/24 7:35:12 PM
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Say what you want about Re;Zero but it's great minus a thing or two.

Starting with the bad, It starts to feel like watching middle schoolers talk when they start emotion/trauma dumping. Tbh I just started skipping these, inching through them with one press of the arrow key.

General story theme spoilers for S1:
we have one amazing arc where this old Butler is basically Moby Dick hunting the white whale that killed his wife except the whale flies through the sky and erases memories.

then evil witch cult that we have heard about forever finally appears for the exciting climax with a insanely likable villain similar to joker and one of my favorite villains in anime.

People seem to hate Subaru which is fair but to say he doesn't suffer for his choices is completely wrong. The character is all about suffering from the bad choices he makes.

Also he does become a lot less selfish in season 2 and I'm hoping that carries on into season 3 and they don't do the typical restart progress bs

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LeCh0nk
05/07/24 7:36:59 PM
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DirkDiggles posted...
Did Krillin get summoned to another world or in another dimension?
technically yes

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DirkDiggles
05/07/24 7:39:19 PM
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LeCh0nk posted...
technically yes

He traveled by spaceship. lol

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05/07/24 7:40:22 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8Kot7Iih68

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LeCh0nk
05/07/24 7:41:46 PM
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DirkDiggles posted...
He traveled by spaceship. lol
Not after he got blown up by Frieza. He was isekai'd the King Kai.

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PMarth2002
05/07/24 7:42:26 PM
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DuneMan posted...
If you can enjoy Overlord then The Saga of Tanya the Evil might be enjoyable. Basically a corporate jackass gets forcibly isekai'd into a little girl because his arrogance angered a god and left fighting a magical version of WWII for what would be the Germans.

WW1, not WW2.

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DirkDiggles
05/07/24 8:03:47 PM
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LeCh0nk posted...
Not after he got blown up by Frieza. He was isekai'd the King Kai.

His spirit did, hence the halo.

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MyMainAccount
05/07/24 8:05:50 PM
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ChocoboMogALT posted...
Don't trust anyone who tells you Re:Zero is good. It's 110% cringe with all the bad writing of an isekai with half the tropes. S2 is worse than S1 because, by then, all the novelty is worn off.
A lot of tropes in it are being deliberately subverting though? I will admit season 2 goes hard on what feels like a lot of unrelated world building which was not to everyone's taste.

I'd say don't trust just the word of anyone who works that hard to discredit someone woth a different opinion but I honestly don't think you're wrong or something for disliking it, it's fine to have that opinion .

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LeCh0nk
05/07/24 8:09:40 PM
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OK so I started Frieren because of all the hype... currently on episode 7 and yeah it is really good. The OP song is banger too.

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Tsukasa1891
05/07/24 8:33:50 PM
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DirkDiggles posted...
Did Bulma get hit by a truck?
Did Gohan put on a VR headset?
Did Krillin get summoned to another world or in another dimension?
No. Though Goku did. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8pQQdjqVUA
No.
Yes when he died.

None of those have anything to do with Isekai, they're just troupes. Isekai just means in another world.

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chukklez17dc
05/07/24 8:37:13 PM
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Bleach is my favorite isekai

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WingsOfGood
05/07/24 8:38:14 PM
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Frieren is Lord of the Rings if it was an anime.

Frieren is Galladriel
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Sad_Face
05/07/24 8:52:40 PM
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ChocoboMogALT posted...
Don't trust anyone who tells you Re:Zero is good. It's 110% cringe with all the bad writing of an isekai with half the tropes. S2 is worse than S1 because, by then, all the novelty is worn off.


An apt way of describing Re:Zero S2. But I think the concept is unique and well worth watching the first season. The first season had memorable scenes where one scene , "Sleep along with my daughter.", is hands down one of the best animated scenes in anime history.

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05/07/24 10:48:48 PM
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Rharyx211
05/08/24 12:28:06 AM
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LeCh0nk posted...
OK so I started Frieren because of all the hype... currently on episode 7 and yeah it is really good. The OP song is banger too.
Unironically might be a 10/10 season for me, if for nothing else but the vibes.

And animation.

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Pororin
05/08/24 1:01:12 AM
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DuneMan posted...
If you can enjoy Overlord then The Saga of Tanya the Evil might be enjoyable. Basically a corporate jackass gets forcibly isekai'd into a little girl because his arrogance angered a god and left fighting a magical version of WWII for what would be the Germans.
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ellis123
05/08/24 1:17:37 AM
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Sad_Face posted...
is hands down one of the best animated scenes in anime history.
It would be pretty tragic if one of the "best animated scenes in anime history" involved basically no animation sans a snow filter.

MyMainAccount posted...
A lot of tropes in it are being deliberately subverting though?
Not really, no. It follows them largely to a T. Reframing "the protag is completely overpowered" with "but he has to die as a part of being overpowered" is not making the protag not overpowered, it's just adding some steps. It is also highly dubious to say that it's really subverting any of the other tropes. Like, the closest to being a change up is not having every girl immediately get into an ad-hoc harem with the MC. Which considering the tone of what they're going for isn't a subversion at all.

LeCh0nk posted...
OK so I started Frieren because of all the hype... currently on episode 7 and yeah it is really good. The OP song is banger too.
Ye, Frieren lives up to the "best anime of the decade/all time" hype. It utterly clowns on all of the alternatives in spite of how good some of the others are, it's just a modern masterpiece.

NoxObscuras posted...
I think 'Ascendence of a Bookworm' is also a fantastic Isekai and different from the typical power fantasy Isekai
Ye, that one is great. Sadly it got basically nothing for a budget so the animation is sketchy at times + no one actually knows it even exists. Definitely one of the actually good isekai.

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