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HeroDelTiempo17 05/08/24 9:51:29 PM #51: |
I mean I'm pretty satisfied with what I played, it just literally does not have the polish and extra content that made me sink 100 hours into Hades 1. But still this is on par or exceeds what I expected from early access.
You're still gonna have a better time going for true end in Hades 1 than playing this EA, but that's just because that game is a ridiculously high standard tbh In other words, this is More Hades but I don't think it's gonna convert anyone who wasn't on board --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! https://www.backloggd.com/u/HDT/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MartinFF7 05/08/24 9:58:44 PM #52: |
WazzupGenius00 posted... I have made it to Chronos more than once and have only seen Eris that one scripted time You and Ermine are killing me, both times I made it to 4th region she was there. Like this is really annoying, my setup in my last run was so good, maybe I couldve beat the boss if I wasnt eating the extra damage. Damn!! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HeroDelTiempo17 05/09/24 12:17:49 AM #53: |
I wonder if she shows up more frequently if you're progressing through the game too quickly, just to try and add more cycles.
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WazzupGenius00 05/09/24 8:21:48 AM #54: |
I dunno, because the first time I reached him was also the first time I got out of Oceanus
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MartinFF7 05/09/24 8:46:50 AM #55: |
well on the plus side I got to 4th region w/ no Eris sightings last night but my build was doing such crap damage I had zero chance vs. boss, damn. I still feel lingering PTSD every time I enter a new region that Eris is going to be there though, it's not a good feeling! I might even say it's poor game design. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HeroDelTiempo17 05/09/24 9:50:43 AM #56: |
From looking over Reddit, Eris does seem to be a time gating mechanic. The way people think it works is that she starts in one region and will move downwards every 3 nights or maybe after certain story milestones get reached. If she's gone from the fourth region, she probably won't appear anymore?
I don't know if it's bad design per se, it's clearly trying to solve an issue the first game had where it was very easy to sequence break a lot of the dialogue progression. It makes sense as a solve to me but I didn't get hit with it hard, if you are really good at the game it's gonna be way more frustrating. The game is full of stuff meant to drag out progression and it's been hit or miss for me. I'm personally very annoyed by how resource gathering works - only being able to choose between one type of tool (that's only slightly mitigated by --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! https://www.backloggd.com/u/HDT/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MartinFF7 05/09/24 10:29:38 AM #57: |
Yeah it being a time-gating mechanic makes sense, but still it's funny to me to think I was proceeding too quickly because compared to the average Hades player I don't think I'm good? Especially with this game, I am getting hit constantly and feel like I'm struggling every random battle, let alone boss, just died to Oceanus boss again after losing defiances to Erebus miniboss and boss. Even in original Hades I struggled with anything that wasn't ranged, the bow and the shield/aspect of zeus were my go-to. HeroDelTiempo17 posted... I'm personally very annoyed by how resource gathering works Agreed and I know this is early access so I trust they'll sort out the balancing. I know this is a small/dumb complaint, but it's pretty weaksauce to give you resource requirements that are unattainable, like I was carrying the pick hoping to get "bronze" for a bunch of runs. And then when you finally learn where you get bronze, or wool, or some plants, it... spoils location(s) you haven't been to yet? not a fan of that. Would've rather a "found in ??" instead personally. Only holding one tool also a serious pet peeve so I'm with you there (not reading either of those spoiler tags though), my last (failed) run I popped down to chaos a few times, one time had a fish, one had a mining deposit, and there I am w/ my friggin tablet of peace. brutal!! I am a fan of being rewarded for spending money with Charon though, lol. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MartinFF7 05/09/24 4:02:40 PM #58: |
....4th area boss spoilers ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anagram 05/09/24 4:06:23 PM #59: |
Had to use the skulls again because they had the black aura. Theyre such trash, Hades 1 didnt have any weapons this bad.
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MartinFF7 05/09/24 8:46:06 PM #61: |
Anagram posted... Had to use the skulls again because they had the black aura. Theyre such trash, Hades 1 didnt have any weapons this bad. just went through my first run with them, went better than I thought but I think i got lucky w/ my boons to help carry me too. I can see some appeal and special is like the shield special so that's neat. But yeah, the damage taken when I was unexpectedly 0/3 and running around look for them, not great... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anagram 05/09/24 8:46:47 PM #62: |
Does Chonos count as a guardian?
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MartinFF7 05/09/24 8:50:24 PM #63: |
iirc the guardian definition was "long health bar with their name" so I would expect so? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anagram 05/09/24 9:31:25 PM #65: |
Where do I find thalamus for the incantation to survive on the surface? I already have the moss.
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MartinFF7 05/09/24 9:37:27 PM #66: |
The bag should define the locations for all the plants and seeds, even if you haven't obtained a copy of an item yet? Not sure if that was automatic or just by virtue of doing the Forgot-Me-Not option, I basically F-M-N everything I come across now, lol. from seeds found in Chaos. Good news is I found a dirt pile in there on my 1st visit so it's not as rare as I'd fear it'd be (i.e. Hades 1 fish in Chaos realm) but maybe I just got lucky. Chaos also gave me a free seed but that didn't help since you need 2 plants for the incantation anyways. So yeah... start up a new run with the spade and cross your fingers I guess. Edit: ok I just started up my game again and dug up that 1 free seed chaos gives you which I had planted, and it gave me 2 Thalamus's??? so maybe digging in the Chaos realm isn't necessary, I haven't noticed any bonus plants before this point but I haven't been paying that much attention I guess... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anagram 05/09/24 9:43:10 PM #67: |
Thanks. I'm confused, I checked the book and couldn't find a section for plant stuff.
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HeroDelTiempo17 05/09/24 10:09:27 PM #68: |
The skulls I think are another weapon where you want to be spamming the omega moves constantly. The normal attack is fairly worthless but with charge attacks it's a weird hybrid of the rail gun special + shield special. I don't think it's weak but the playatyle is super weird and makes it hard to go all-in on one thing. Still like them more than the wands...
I also wonder if some of the weapons just need to be fully upgraded to be good. One of the aspects on that one extends the duration of the dash and is pretty fun but it's not really a huge damage uptick at base level. --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! https://www.backloggd.com/u/HDT/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WazzupGenius00 05/09/24 10:56:18 PM #69: |
Leveling up Echos keepsake was a real letdown
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Anagram 05/10/24 2:04:18 AM #70: |
Are the sixth weapon and last two gathering items still unreleased?
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MartinFF7 05/10/24 2:18:06 AM #71: |
just unlocked my 3rd death defiance, so glad that resource wasn't locked behind a boss I can't beat (I love my DD crutches... even though usual final region health is nowhere near where it'd be w/ the original game, and DD gave back 50% instead of 40% on top of that, but anyways... still nowhere competitive enough to win so more arcana grinding in my future) also WOW FUCK ERIS. Memories of her ambushing me at region-openings are far gone, now it's the other thing. And the rubbish!!! I hate her in the game and I hate her on a meta level for the torment she's put me through lol. Also Steam was so nice to tell me I've played it 24 hours, which minus the 2 hours I spent on Monday night - yeah that sounds about right. When that earlier post was saying this game had more content than original even though it's in Early Access, they were not kidding!! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zigzagoon 05/10/24 4:14:25 AM #72: |
Finally got my win at roughly my 20th run. Was close a few times before but every time I felt like I just had a build on life support and didn't feel confident at all.
This time I actually had something I was pleased with, and lo and behold, got the win with it. Sister Blades with Pan Aspect is exactly the type of fight style I enjoy and the first time I tried it, it got me the win. Looking forward to upgrading it to be even better later :) --- ~Silver_Ermine~ http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9r5hhXQbJ1rbct63o1_500.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MartinFF7 05/10/24 4:20:43 AM #73: |
Congrats. At this point I'm expecting like 40-50 runs for me, you guys with your 20s... just died on 27th night run to oh right I'm on the verge of unlocking aspects so there's gotta be something there that's my fit... aspect of Chiron bow and aspect of Zeus shield from original game were my jam. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anagram 05/10/24 12:08:29 PM #74: |
What does "preserved hope!" mean at the end of an encounter?
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MartinFF7 05/10/24 12:12:26 PM #75: |
hmmm, don't think I ran across that one. What was your adornment, I assume it has something to do with that? Actually that strikes me as Apollo-boon related, doesn't he have one where you get some bonus if you don't take damage? (bonus attack power maybe?) so "preserved hope" meaning you got through the encounter without taking damage? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anagram 05/10/24 1:47:53 PM #76: |
That makes sense. I'll pay attention next time.
I've tried all of the weapons now. Thoughts:
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MartinFF7 05/10/24 1:57:29 PM #77: |
I feel like I might end up really focusing with the axe because it's the closest to a "Shield"-type defence against projectiles with its special. Need to practice getting used to the cadence for the special and the swings. I got so damn close to beating that guardian that keeps beating me, gotta keep running it to get driftwood, damn... Anagram posted... Wands are complete trash and should never be used. interested in seeing what they do with the aspects with that because yeah.... I do remember having one good run with them but it was just holding down attack and dashing around until magic runs out, wait a bit for magic refresh, repeat holding down attack. I think one run I had the invincibility hex so it worked out that I could hex when I was out of magic and the magic would be refreshed when the hex was done. Though "omega attack spam" is the same deal with the skulls too, I guess. Daggers are the weapon I've used the least so far and I think they're overdue to get the "darkness" treatment, so maybe my next run. Not a fan of their special, though. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HeroDelTiempo17 05/10/24 2:44:36 PM #78: |
I do not like the wands but I think you probably need to be using the special frequently too. Like, using special as your primary fire and having an Omega Special orbiting you while you are charging up the attack. I messed around with the aspect that makes the attack charged shots linger and detonate when hit with the special, special is more useful than it seems and the detonations were strong so I see the vision but it still felt clumsy to play.
It might just be bad boon synergy but most of my builds come down to Omega Spam except on the axe and knives (even then, knife special is worthless outside of the omega and axe omegas are really good). The exception has been a couple runs where I can get a really good "prime" ability - like the Zeus prime for chain lightning combined with a staff buff that removed omega attack for rapid fire - but most of the time I don't think priming is worth the hit to MP. I'd love to know what others are doing cause I couldn't figure it out lol --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! https://www.backloggd.com/u/HDT/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MartinFF7 05/10/24 3:13:37 PM #79: |
HeroDelTiempo17 posted... like the Zeus prime for chain lightning combined with a staff buff that removed omega attack for rapid fire oh yeah I had that once with the skulls I think, and I had either a legendary or duo that was the "bounces to more people & can also bounce to you". I wasn't even omega smashing them at that point, i remember just tapping regular attack right next to mobs of enemies in 4th region and breezing, lol... good times. I choose priming boons more than I probably should, really need to have the rapid magic refresh boon to offset it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MartinFF7 05/10/24 7:19:14 PM #80: |
Anagram posted... What does "preserved hope!" mean at the end of an encounter? Just got this, it was the "after 4 encounters receive 50% hp" well of charon item after that last encounter. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HeroDelTiempo17 05/10/24 7:38:58 PM #81: |
Finally got the achievement for facing every miniboss in the underground. For whatever reason, I'd only encountered the sea serpent boss in Oceanus and was missing the second one for like twenty runs.
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TheArkOfTurus 05/10/24 7:52:55 PM #82: |
I'm mostly really enjoying this, but the Eris debuff is so demoralizing. Managed to make it through area 3 through it, barely, but hearing that it's time gated... I may just die on purpose until she stops showing up. Not a fan of this design choice, needless to say.
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MartinFF7 05/10/24 8:25:35 PM #83: |
^ I imagine they're going to get a lot of feedback about it, if she only appeared once, maybe twice, that'd be fine. Any more than that and it is mad frustrating. I'd still say it's worth not dying on purpose since there's still resources you can obtain in that 4th area (or 3rd area if she tags you with it at the beginning of there) but yeah... probably quicker and more worth your time to bail. For when it stops, I at least have the record now on when it happened for me. Nights 3, 5 through 8 and 10. And 4 and 9 were two nights I died before 3rd area so probably only reason I avoided her... wow. But ideally you dont get any after night 10 either. Zigzagoon posted... Finally got my win at roughly my 20th run. Was close a few times before but every time I felt like I just had a build on life support and didn't feel confident at all. Friendship with axe ended, sister blades with pan aspect are my new best friend. I also just got my first win after 30 nights, and just like you I had never felt build confidence until that run. It helped that I got the exact combo that I needed - the ability to throw your cast, a couple of cast powerups, lots of special powerups and the pan aspect. Still not feeling confident in being able to win without the right series of dominos falling but still. (Final boss spoilers) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zigzagoon 05/10/24 8:55:43 PM #84: |
MartinFF7 posted...
Friendship with axe ended, sister blades with pan aspect are my new best friend.Pretty much exactly LOL --- ~Silver_Ermine~ http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9r5hhXQbJ1rbct63o1_500.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zigzagoon 05/10/24 8:57:07 PM #85: |
MartinFF7 posted...
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Anagram 05/10/24 11:08:21 PM #86: |
Can you get Hera in the Underworld? I've never seen her except on the sruface.
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Zigzagoon 05/10/24 11:15:26 PM #87: |
I've had her a couple times in underworld yeah
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Anagram 05/10/24 11:46:30 PM #88: |
Thought I finally beat Chronos... only for him to reveal his second phase, and I died almost immediately.
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MartinFF7 05/11/24 12:08:15 AM #89: |
^ lol, yeah... I mean we played the original game, you had to expect a 2nd phase! (though in my first time "beating" him I also wished there wasn't) Ermine: thank you for that, I will keep it in mind next time I get there! (which is hopefully this run, i stopped at the end of first region and I got the "if you have 6 earths take max 15 damage" boon and I am on a full earth boon quest now loool) Anagram posted... Can you get Hera in the Underworld? I've never seen her except on the surface. I never had either but I tried equipping her keepsake and she showed up at the start & again latter in first region. Though again maybe that was driven by the keepsake, I also never got her boon in the underworld before now. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kenri 05/11/24 4:04:19 AM #90: |
So I picked up the game today and did 5 runs.
Run 1 died to Hecate, almost had her though Run 2 and 3 died to the Run 4 and 5 died to I have gotten Eris every single run after the first. I beat Hades OG for the first time on run 7 so this definitely feels a bit harder. On the other hand that was definitely a fluke and I needed about another 7 runs to be able to win consistently. Struggling with the weapons, as others have said. I need an equivalent of the bow from the first game, where it's insanely strong and super long range and kills everything and has practically zero flaws. It's called balance. Hoping I'll like the axe when I unlock it. --- "You're childish. What are you getting? Are you getting strawberry? Ha! That's such a childish flavor, only children eat strawberry." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MartinFF7 05/11/24 5:15:04 AM #91: |
MartinFF7 posted... (which is hopefully this run, i stopped at the end of first region and I got the "if you have 6 earths take max 15 damage" boon and I am on a full earth boon quest now loool) I ended up with 12 earth boons and another earth boon stack, lol. relatively easy 2nd win. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/d32db718.jpg So that was my easy 2nd win and I got to final boss a few times since but keep dying on the 2nd form. Even knowing where to go to avoid the instant kill attack there is just too damn much going on in that screen, Hades 2nd form wasn't anywhere that bad. And the last time I swear he was pulling some shenanigans on me re: the instant kill attack, like he made it look like there were 2 safe spots, and i was standing in one and i guess it was a fakeout because i got blown away for one DD, and then lost my last because he attacked me and the attack moved me outside the safe zone just when the 999 hit?? totally b.s. but anyways, at least I'm consistently getting to that fight now and keeping it competitive when it seemed insurmountable a day ago. However I am like, this close to just trying to get Coarse Grit every run to avoid that nonsense, lol. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WazzupGenius00 05/11/24 3:52:36 PM #92: |
Came real close on a run where 100% of my Magick was primed so I always had the Zeus lightning boon active for having no magick
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MartinFF7 05/12/24 1:42:10 AM #93: |
If anyone was wondering, 29 grasp is as high as the "routine" upgrades in the arcana go; to get to 30 is a giant boost (29 requires 350 psyche, 30 requires 1000 psyche + two other extremely rare materials and 3x of each to boot). which is fair enough I guess, already feeling a bit overpowered at times (just finished another aspect of pan run with the daedalus special that fires your special directly ahead, heroic special attack, Coarse Grit to tank the 999 damage attack to only give 15, lol) WazzupGenius00 posted... Came real close on a run where 100% of my Magick was primed so I always had the Zeus lightning boon active for having no magick ....dude this is ingeniously creative, damn, I never would've thought of that. I'm also putting off my "clear Hecate with no Arcana" run because I know it's going to be brutal, but maybe not so bad with Luckier Tooth and upgraded animal companion but yeah. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anagram 05/12/24 2:26:45 AM #94: |
MartinFF7 posted...
Hecate with no Arcana isn't bad at all. I just used the level 3 Knuckle Bones and beat her without too much hassle. Cerberus wasn't beatable for me with no Arcana, though. --- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MartinFF7 05/12/24 4:20:05 AM #95: |
Even better news which I just learned by trying it - in the stone, "Trial of the Labrys" (2nd trial) has no Arcana equipped but your boons are so outrageous that it's beyond easy. Everything gets one shot and I think Hecate went down in 4 hits (the first three being damage gated) and it gave me "prophecy fulfilled" for that. So, crisis averted! Feels like a loophole that should get patched out but I'll take it. Re: Knuckle Bones, every time I'm mulling what to equip it's on the shortlist and every time it doesn't make the cut, I haven't used it once, lol :( maybe I should... I did use the Evil Eye during my last 4th region run for the first time, at least. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zigzagoon 05/12/24 4:31:32 AM #96: |
I'm kind of bummed that
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Anagram 05/12/24 12:02:13 PM #97: |
Whats the other familiar besides the frog?
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Zigzagoon 05/12/24 12:03:20 PM #98: |
Anagram posted...
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Anagram 05/12/24 12:14:30 PM #99: |
Zigzagoon posted...
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HeroDelTiempo17 05/12/24 1:05:32 PM #100: |
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