Current Events > Trans children could be forced to medically detransition in leaked England plans

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https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/05/06/nhs-trans-healthcare-detransition/

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I don't think I'll even understand the obsession these kind of people have with trans children

There's a reason why they call it TERF Island.

Cant wait for Starmer to announce his support for this and then the next day pretend to morn the next murdered trans person like his now clearly faux outrage over Brianna Ghey

England is Europe's Florida

Tyranthraxus posted...

England is Europe's Florida

No wonder theyre always coming here.

Jfc is it this bad everywhere???

They burned down a trans clinic with thousands of books in Berlin too

Oh wait that was about 100 years ago
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-forgotten-history-of-the-worlds-first-trans-clinic/

Sheesh

That is fucking evil.

To unpack it a little, in the UK, it is currently an extremely unreasonable wait time for an NHS appt with regards to gender affirming care. It can be on the order of a years-long wait, at which point the kid in question has every risk of experiencing the puberty they don't want.

So it's not surprising that families with the means have turned to out-of-NHS sources, such as off-label care or overseas care.

Whatever this plan is, it does not appear to be official NHS policy... yet, but if it were put into policy, basically any family seeking this out-of-NHS care may be reported to the authorities on the grounds of safeguarding the child.

They want trans kids to be miserable. They believe that stopping trans kids from transitioning in any effect will stop trans people from existing.

They want suicides to increase huh?

creativerealms posted...

They want suicides to increase huh?

Yes.

Coupled with demands to remove unisex toilets and make only 'single sex' toilets it is clear they want to make anyone trans a pariah. And likely anyone who doesnt look traditionally feminine/masculine as well.

Fucking TERF island.

ArkhamOrigins posted...

Jfc is it this bad everywhere???

Yeah.

weird how letting Nazi ideology pollute political discourse leads to Nazi ideology being adopted by our governments.

I truly don't understand why the UK is like intentionally trying to be the worst when it comes to trans rights in the western societies. It's getting to the point where they're even making U.S. Republicans blush over how far they want to go.

fascism is a mind virus it knows no borders

Kradek posted...

I truly don't understand why the UK is like intentionally trying to be the worst when it comes to trans rights in the western societies. It's getting to the point where they're even making U.S. Republicans blush over how far they want to go.

The sad reality is we have some very vocal celebs who despise trans people, along with our media and a right wing party that will throw any minority into the grinder they can.

Most polls show large support for trans rights, but our supposed left wing party just surrenders to the hate filled rags and cheers for the death of this minority group so they cant latch onto anything to 'demonize' them about.

Fuck the tories
Fuck labour
Fuck our media

Oh my God if you don't like Trans stuff just tune it out and get on with your life, holy fucking shit.

I hate soccer. Atrocious sport. Waste of talent and money. Guess what I haven't talked about before in my entire life ever?

It's like this whole issue with "they"....why? Why do you need to engage with their gender specifically? Just getting fucked up on anything they can reach out and bonk their head on.

Horrible people really need more hobbies.

Is this like the Republican plan to reverse abortions?

thanks america

Sure would be nice if enough people collectively told them to take this plan and shove it up their fuckin ass

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Brexit electric boogaloo

Fuck England and fuck anyone who supports this

Absolutely pants-shitting evil.

So the article seems to be saying the UK are going down the "if you don't get trans treatment through the NHS you can't get it" while at the same time putting up all sorts of barriers preventing people getting trans treatment through the NHS whether that being massive red tape or just insanely long waiting times?

Is that the gist?

I'm not particularly in favor for people needing to resort to 3rd party clinics abroad mainly for potential health and safety reasons. I feel the same for many treatments people may feel the need to go abroad for. It also potentially bypasses the important early engagement stages of actually understanding why a patient wants to transition, make sure it's what they really want to do, give them all the facts, give them time to reflect and ultimately allow people to make a fully informed choice.

Don't get me wrong. I completely understand why people feel like that is their only option with so many barriers in place to trying to get treatment through traditional pathways. It's a crying shame people need to resort to this to get the care they need.

It's such a awkward situation because due to puberty the best time to get trans treatment is before puberty fully hits but on the flip side due to the barriers in place it means people are forced to rely on foreign clinics and potentially bypass those early discussions in order to start transitioning before "time runs out".

In an ideal world the NHS would have more resources available to people wanting to transition so they can start their journey earlier, be able to make an informed choice and not have to rely on other avenues that are potentially less save. I can't help feel the lack of resources available is the plan tbh.

It feels like the plan is purely... wait it out and hope people give up on wanting to transition. Which is obviously wrong.

hockeybabe89 posted...

Fuck England and fuck anyone who supports this

I'm from England. I'm completely against this.

Do you hate me as well?

There are a lot of people over here sympathetic to the issues trans people face and want better care and support to be offered. It's just a shame a lot of the people with influence don't fall into this category.

SHRlKE posted...

I'm from England. I'm completely against this.

Do you hate me as well?

There are a lot of people over here sympathetic to the issues trans people face and want better care and support to be offered. It's just a shame a lot of the people with influence don't fall into this category.

I don't care if you insult America.

hockeybabe89 posted...

I don't care if you insult America.

Sure but I care if you insult the UK tbh. These bigots aren't representative of all of us.

SHRlKE posted...

Sure but I care if you insult the UK tbh.

Why?

SHRlKE posted...

I'm not particularly in favor for people needing to resort to 3rd party clinics abroad mainly for potential health and safety reasons. I feel the same for many treatments people may feel the need to go abroad for. It also potentially bypasses the important early engagement stages of actually understanding why a patient wants to transition, make sure it's what they really want to do, give them all the facts, give them time to reflect and ultimately allow people to make a fully informed choice.

Thats not really under the purview of medical professionals providing gender affirming care. Essentially all they require is informed consent and this is backed by professional guidelines in terms of the best approach.

People who are questioning their gender and arent sure about transition should be speaking to a psychologist with experience treating trans patients to help them.

When it comes to children, its helpful to see a psychologist but its not their job to gatekeep another persons identity. A person who is of sound mind and sure of their gender identity, maintaining that position over time needs to receive support, rather than having to deal with cis people whose main concern is alleviating their own personal hangups. This is why there are periods to start blockers and wait at least several months to a year before beginning cross sex hormones at the appropriate age, which would be in the neighborhood of 15 or 16 depending on the patient.

For legal adults 18 and up, theres no need to gatekeep anything beyond signing informed consent forms and they can begin cross sex hormones immediately, without a letter from a psychologist or anyone asking them are you sure you are trans? But why?

SHRlKE posted...

Sure but I care if you insult the UK tbh. These bigots aren't representative of all of us. Fuck those guys specifically. But dont think we are all like this. We arent.

Ok, but the UK sucks. I didn't say shit about all people.

ArkhamOrigins posted...

Jfc is it this bad everywhere???

Transphobia is awful almost everywhere.

Unfortunately

itachi15243 posted...

I don't think I'll even understand the obsession these kind of people have with trans children

Freedom to disguise 'pedophilic intent of inspection' as 'protecting the kids'. These people ask "How can we legally inspect a 5 year old's genitals?" and the solution is to make up some sort of problem around them. Such as, I dunno, "Kids are getting their dicks cut off!!!!!!"

CSCA33 posted...

Thats not really under the purview of medical professionals providing gender affirming care. Essentially all they require is informed consent and this is backed by professional guidelines in terms of the best approach.

People who are questioning their gender and arent sure about transition should be speaking to a psychologist with experience treating trans patients to help them.

When it comes to children, its helpful to see a psychologist but its not their job to gatekeep another persons identity. A person who is of sound mind and sure of their gender identity, maintaining that position over time needs to receive support, rather than having to deal with cis people whose main concern is alleviating their own personal hangups. This is why there are periods to start blockers and wait at least several months to a year before beginning cross sex hormones at the appropriate age, which would be in the neighborhood of 15 or 16 depending on the patient.

For legal adults 18 and up, theres no need to gatekeep anything beyond signing informed consent forms and they can begin cross sex hormones immediately, without a letter from a psychologist or anyone asking them are you sure you are trans? But why?

Thanks. I get we argued a bit in the other topic but I appreciate that post. Thank you.

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

Oh my God if you don't like Trans stuff just tune it out and get on with your life, holy fucking shit.

I hate soccer. Atrocious sport. Waste of talent and money. Guess what I haven't talked about before in my entire life ever?

It's like this whole issue with "they"....why? Why do you need to engage with their gender specifically? Just getting fucked up on anything they can reach out and bonk their head on.

Horrible people really need more hobbies.

This is a very good message and ideal to have but you are well aware this is much easier said than done when you are easily riled up and judgmental over many hobbies and minor things of others.

Jesus, the UK's been on a bit of a tear where bad decisions are concerned, aren't they?

ItsNotA2Mer posted...

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If you're trans, the UK and America... might not let you, depending on if policies like this take effect.

SHRlKE posted...

I'm from England. I'm completely against this.

Do you hate me as well?

Come on. Be better. We've had months of people in other topics saying stuff with the sentiment of, "Fuck Israel." It's been made painfully clear that such a statement is based on power and politics and policy, aimed at the government operating those levers of control.

It was by no means a statement against the average person on the street in the UK any more than someone in the I/P threads is making that statement against the average person on the street in Israel.

Funkydog posted...

The sad reality is we have some very vocal celebs who despise trans people, along with our media and a right wing party that will throw any minority into the grinder they can.

Most polls show large support for trans rights, but our supposed left wing party just surrenders to the hate filled rags and cheers for the death of this minority group so they cant latch onto anything to 'demonize' them about.

Fuck the tories
Fuck labour
Fuck our media

Shame, sounds eerily similar to what happens in the U.S., only worse at times.

I can't think of any Just Kidding Rowling comparisons, though. I can think of many low-tier celebs who spout anti-trans hate, however no names as big as hers comes to mind.

forcing someone to get a medical procedure seems nazi like

Whiterun_Guard_ posted...

forcing someone to get a medical procedure seems nazi like

Who is "forcing" anyone? Get out of here with that garbage.

Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...

Jesus, the UK's been on a bit of a tear where bad decisions are concerned, aren't they?

For quite a long time now, to be honest.

Whiterun_Guard_ posted...

wtf?

GrandConjuraton posted...

Who is "forcing" anyone? Get out of here with that garbage.

Sir_Will posted...

wtf?

Thread title: "Trans children could be forced to medically detransition in leaked England plans"

Their post:
Whiterun_Guard_ posted...

forcing someone to get a medical procedure seems nazi like

I think you are confusing them saying it's Nazi-like to be forcibly DEtransitioned with the opposite of what they said.