Current Events > RFK Jr.'s campaign forces him to withdraw support for abortions up to 9 months.

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/rfk-jr-stance-abortion-rcna151808

Independent candidate for president Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. has changed his stance on abortion once again, saying that he supports abortion up until a certain point rather than at full term.

Following pressure from campaign staff, Kennedy announced late Friday that he was walking back his stance of supporting full-term abortions in a statement released on X. Abortion has been a notoriously divisive issue in America, but actually I see an emerging consensus abortion should be legal up until a certain number of weeks, and restricted thereafter, he said.

Once the baby is viable outside the womb, it should have rights and it deserves societys protection, he added.

Kennedys latest shake-up on where he stands on the divisive issue came after he said last week that he would allow women to have abortions at full term.

During an interview with podcaster Sage Steele, a former ESPN host, Kennedy was asked what the limit should be for women to have an abortion. Should there be a limit or are you saying all the way up to full term, a woman has a right to have an abortion? Steele asked.

Kennedy answered that he didnt think anyone would want to do that at eight months of pregnancy, but abortion should be out of the hands of the government and in the hands of women.

Even if its full-term, Kennedy said in response to a follow-up question. I dont think its ever OK, he added. When Steele said that would allow late-term abortions, Kennedy said, I think we have to leave it to the women rather than the state.

The answer left his running mate Nicole Shanahan surprised during her sit-down interview with Steele, released a week prior.

My understanding with Bobbys position is that, you know, every abortion is a tragedy, is a loss of life, Shanahan said. My understanding is that he absolutely believes in limits on abortion, and weve talked about this. I do not think, I dont know where that came from.

Shanahan went on to say, That is not my understanding of his position and I think maybe there was a miscommunication there.

Yeah the voters avaialble to him really weren't going for that. >_>

Gotta say that worm probably ate the good parts of his brain

Shit, you know how many eggs worms can lay in 9 months?

Crazy how not even Roe v Wade allowed for that unless the mother's health was at risk.

It's also super unrealistic any woman would carry a fetus for 8-9 months and then just randomly go "you know what? I'm sick of this, get this thing out of me". If she's carrying it for that long then she wants that baby. Really fucking hate Republicans when they spout that bullshit narrative as if women would actually just randomly wake up during the 9th month and decide they no longer want it.

"He's totally taking from dems side!"

A spectacularly unserious candidate

magas were pushing dems want abortion even after birth they fucking lie constantly

luigi33 posted...

"He's totally taking from dems side!"

There is unfortunately a distressing amount of young people who plan to vote RFK Jr. simply because "he's not Trump or Biden". Those who actually pay attention to his issues know he fits more with right-wingers and is why the Trump campaign has started to attack him, because they're worried as polls show he'd take more from Trump than Biden.

Kradek posted...

Crazy how not even Roe v Wade allowed for that unless the mother's health was at risk.

It's also super unrealistic any woman would carry a fetus for 8-9 months and then just randomly go "you know what? I'm sick of this, get this thing out of me". If she's carrying it for that long then she wants that baby. Really fucking hate Republicans when they spout that bullshit narrative as if women would actually just randomly wake up during the 9th month and decide they no longer want it.

It's because they want stupid people who actually believe that it's happening to keep them in power.

There are reasons. Babys father dips out of the relationship would be one. Employment status changing suddenly would be another. Shouldnt matter regardless

He's gonna eat some many Republican votes.

Are 9 month abortions even a thing that people pursue unless the life of the mother is in danger

Jiek_Fafn posted...

Are 9 month abortions even a thing that people pursue unless the life of the mother is in danger

No

No more PoSt BiRtH aBoRtIoNs!!!

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He's going to eat into that Republican base more than that worm ate into his brain.

Kradek posted...

There is unfortunately a distressing amount of young people who plan to vote RFK Jr. simply because "he's not Trump or Biden".

I simply do not believe that this number will be large enough to have any kind of tangible effect

RFK should be where all the Haley voters flock imo.

Kradek posted...

There is unfortunately a distressing amount of young people who plan to vote RFK Jr. simply because "he's not Trump or Biden". Those who actually pay attention to his issues know he fits more with right-wingers and is why the Trump campaign has started to attack him, because they're worried as polls show he'd take more from Trump than Biden.

Voters that stupid wouldn't have voted for Biden in the first place. The young twitter left voting bloc is, unfortunately, one of the most unreliable and useless ones there is. They could do a lot of good, but they'd rather stew in a broth of their own ignorant arrogance.

Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...

Voters that stupid wouldn't have voted for Biden in the first place. The young twitter left voting bloc is, unfortunately, one of the most unreliable and useless ones there is. They could do a lot of good, but they'd rather stew in a broth of their own ignorant arrogance.

more gen z people voted in the 2020 and 2022 elections than people in that age range ever have in the history of the country

It was a litttle fucked up that when hes asked a question like that RFK appears to be considering it for the first time.

RFK might just actually be dumber than Trump

(not more dangerous, just dumber)

Never in the history of mankind has name recognition done more heavy lifting than for that man to get where he is.

His name is literally the only thing he has going for him, and boy did he do a good job of tarnishing that.

His entire family has shunned him he is that toxic

I'm honestly a little surprised the Trump campaign hasn't tried to actually recruit him to be his VP instead, the media would absolutely love to try and pretend it's a bipartisan ticket of a liberal and a conservative teaming up to make the country better against the woke radical leftist thugs or and other boogiemen

They can't seriously still believe the dog killer, the election deniers and the feckless loyalists would help Trump's campaign anymore than the brain wormed libertarian who'll do and say anything as long as it helps him financially and politically.

Kradek posted...

There is unfortunately a distressing amount of young people who plan to vote RFK Jr. simply because "he's not Trump or Biden". Those who actually pay attention to his issues know he fits more with right-wingers and is why the Trump campaign has started to attack him, because they're worried as polls show he'd take more from Trump than Biden.

Oh, anecdotal here, but I met one.

Rather, a young (would estimate low-20s in age) dude who's doing a campaign to get signatures to get RFK Jr. on the ballot in Texas.

We had a chat.

Him: "We're doing this because we're in need of a viable third-party candidate."
Me: "I can agree with you on that point, though remember, one, the deck is stacked against any third parties in the first place, and two, the other major one is that RFK is not the guy to be on the ballot."

Proceeded to explain some of the nonsense RFK had said which the guy did concede to. I wasn't mean about it, just being informative enough.
Still might have deflated him a bit, though.

Didn't he choose a pro-life activist as his running mate?

Kradek posted...

Really f***ing hate Republicans when they spout that bulls*** narrative as if women would actually just randomly wake up during the 9th month and decide they no longer want it.

I think the issue is more if they suddenly lose their job or the father leaves them. I don't know, that might be just as rare, but it seems like more of a possibility than just randomly changing their mind.

FL81 posted...

RFK might just actually be dumber than Trump

(not more dangerous, just dumber)

He use to be smart, but worms ate his brains.

I love that I can say that and mean it. It actually happened.

tremain07 posted...

I'm honestly a little surprised the Trump campaign hasn't tried to actually recruit him to be his VP instead, the media would absolutely love to try and pretend it's a bipartisan ticket of a liberal and a conservative teaming up to make the country better against the woke radical leftist thugs or and other boogiemen

They can't seriously still believe the dog killer, the election deniers and the feckless loyalists would help Trump's campaign anymore than the brain wormed libertarian who'll do and say anything as long as it helps him financially and politically.

He is just in the race to poach Biden votes but he is so Looney he will most likely steal trump votes

CADE_FOSTER posted...

He is just in the race to poach Biden votes but he is so Looney he will most likely steal trump votes

I just can't comprehend a scenario where a potential Biden voter would switch their vote to RFK Jr. of all people

Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...

Voters that stupid wouldn't have voted for Biden in the first place.

I'm sure there are plenty of stupid Biden voters. Way less than the other side on average, but enough to at least be concerned about that.

At some point the national media needs to stop using the term abortion as an action and instead use it properly as a procedure.

tremain07 posted...

I'm honestly a little surprised the Trump campaign hasn't tried to actually recruit him to be his VP instead

The idea of him running as far as Trump and RFKJr was concerned was to peel voters away from Biden in large enough amounts to bolster Trump. And it looked like it was working at first in the polls. Now it's reversing, but it's too late to bring him into the fold. Part of them still thinks that he's going to pull enough votes away from Biden to help Trump. If he's directly with Trump, the morons who want a third candidate regardless of what they stand for or are running on could be lost.

thronedfire2 posted...

more gen z people voted in the 2020 and 2022 elections than people in that age range ever have in the history of the country

Okay, but still only ~28% of voters aged 18-24 voted. Given the enormity of what's at stake here, that's still a horrifically low turnout.

Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...

Okay, but still only ~28% of voters aged 18-24 voted. Given the enormity of what's at stake here, that's still a horrifically low turnout.

And that was in an election with historically high turnout.

Anyone who looks at this man and thinks he's superior to Biden needs to be checked for brain worms.

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2018 I believe

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22

If 2018 had 28% for 18-24, 2014 must have been 15-20% at most....

UnholyMudcrab posted...

I simply do not believe that this number will be large enough to have any kind of tangible effect

Well there are people who think loss of Muslim support will cost him the election and I think he's likely to lose a lot more young people than Muslims in Wisconsin and Minnesota.

Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...

Voters that stupid wouldn't have voted for Biden in the first place. The young twitter left voting bloc is, unfortunately, one of the most unreliable and useless ones there is. They could do a lot of good, but they'd rather stew in a broth of their own ignorant arrogance.

Well it is anecdotal from various callers I've heard call in mostly discussing the issue, however one was a woman talking about how her son in his late 20s is super political, never missed an election, and this time around he's all "I'll vote (for Biden) if I get around to it" and how all his friends planned to vote for RFK Jr. That was just one example.

However, polling also shows the majority of RFK Jr's Dem-likely voters being younger people, if I'm not mistaken.

BombermanGold posted...

Oh, anecdotal here, but I met one.

Rather, a young (would estimate low-20s in age) dude who's doing a campaign to get signatures to get RFK Jr. on the ballot in Texas.

We had a chat.

Him: "We're doing this because we're in need of a viable third-party candidate."
Me: "I can agree with you on that point, though remember, one, the deck is stacked against any third parties in the first place, and two, the other major one is that RFK is not the guy to be on the ballot."

Proceeded to explain some of the nonsense RFK had said which the guy did concede to. I wasn't mean about it, just being informative enough.
Still might have deflated him a bit, though.

And that's the best way to handle it. For those who heavily follow politics I think they grossly overestimate how informed the general electorate is. Most people who plan to vote RFK Jr. have likely never even heard him speak, let alone know where he stands on the issues. He's seen as the "option to vote for where you don't have to vote for the greater/lesser of two evils", while seemingly ignorant to the fact that actually RFK Jr. is pretty fucking evil himself and has some views worse than even Trump. As the generations go on I see a greater yearning for more than the 2 party dichotomy and a refusal to accept that it's the shitty system this country is stuck with without some major overhaul.

Another way of arguing for Biden is by not making it about Trump v Biden, but Fascist autocracy v Democracy, because if Trump wins there won't be any 3rd parties anyways or even Dems to bitch about.

Justin2Krelian posted...

I think the issue is more if they suddenly lose their job or the father leaves them. I don't know, that might be just as rare, but it seems like more of a possibility than just randomly changing their mind.

No woman who plans to have a child, who goes through 9 months of the effects it has on her body, will just get rid of it for something superficial like that. Carrying a fetus that long is a commitment and demonstrates they want the child. Women who get an abortion that late is because something went wrong with the pregnancy and it becomes a necessity. It's a ridiculously low amount of women who get 3rd trimester abortions because they're done out of necessity, not desire.

FL81 posted...

I just can't comprehend a scenario where a potential Biden voter would switch their vote to RFK Jr. of all people

Well it's happening. Biden's handling of Gaza in particular has pissed a lot of the younger generation off and turned them away from him.