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RetuenOfDevsman 05/12/24 11:46:48 PM #1:	being optional is no excuse for shitty design like requiring perfect play. --- There's a difference between canon and not-stupid. <cite>RetuenOfDevsman posted [p:980368544] in Unpopular ... [t:80768085]...</cite> <quote>being optional is no excuse for shitty design like requiring perfect play. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Full_Pokedex 05/12/24 11:48:09 PM #2:	RetuenOfDevsman posted... being optional is no excuse for shitty design like requiring perfect play. In the old days before saving and DLC the difficulty being so high was pretty much replay value back then. --- Donkey Kong is our friend! Please call often DK, don't be a stranger! From Toadsworth, Mario Party 7 Vote Larry Hogan for 2024. <cite>Full_Pokedex posted [p:980368556] in Unpopular ... [t:80768085]...</cite> <quote>RetuenOfDevsman posted... </cite><quote>being optional is no excuse for shitty design like requiring perfect play.</quote>In the old days before saving and DLC the difficulty being so high was pretty much replay value back then. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RetuenOfDevsman 05/12/24 11:50:28 PM #4:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Do you not know the difference between requiring perfect play and being difficult? Both have been done without the other. --- There's a difference between canon and not-stupid. <cite>RetuenOfDevsman posted [p:980368583] in Unpopular ... [t:80768085]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Do you not know the difference between requiring perfect play and being difficult? Both have been done without the other. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GATTJT 05/12/24 11:51:19 PM #5:	Examples? --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/gamerfanfan/wishlist Oops, we trained a monkey to be a fascist! <cite>GATTJT posted [p:980368591] in Unpopular ... [t:80768085]...</cite> <quote>Examples? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nekrodev 05/12/24 11:54:02 PM #6:	I think there are definitely reasons to have games that are very skill-based, or have higher skill ceilings, but not EVERY game needs to be like that. Like, I don't have any really hard feelings about Dark Souls, but those types of games just aren't for me. If EVERY game were like that, tho, it'd be different. --- "To be, or not to be - there is no such question. To be! But to be what...?" FFBE friend ID - 432.640.287 - nekrodev <cite>nekrodev posted [p:980368618] in Unpopular ... [t:80768085]...</cite> <quote>I think there are definitely reasons to have games that are very skill-based, or have higher skill ceilings, but not EVERY game needs to be like that. Like, I don't have any really hard feelings about Dark Souls, but those types of games just aren't for me. If EVERY game were like that, tho, it'd be different. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 05/12/24 11:54:15 PM #7:	You can just say you don't like x without making a bad argument for it. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:980368624] in Unpopular ... [t:80768085]...</cite> <quote>You can just say you don't like x without making a bad argument for it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DodogamaRayBrst 05/12/24 11:55:28 PM #8:	Gonna need to know what you're raging at. <cite>DodogamaRayBrst posted [p:980368633] in Unpopular ... [t:80768085]...</cite> <quote>Gonna need to know what you're raging at. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 05/12/24 11:58:10 PM #9:	RetuenOfDevsman posted... Do you not know the difference between requiring perfect play and being difficult? Both have been done without the other. If you don't need to do it then it's not required. If it is required then it's not optional. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:980368663] in Unpopular ... [t:80768085]...</cite> <quote>RetuenOfDevsman posted... </cite><quote>Do you not know the difference between requiring perfect play and being difficult? Both have been done without the other.</quote>If you don't need to do it then it's not required. If it is required then it's not optional. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trumble 05/12/24 11:58:34 PM #10:	By extension, this means that technically, ~~CJayC~~ is an optional boss. --- I fought the Trumble and the Trumble won. <cite>Trumble posted [p:980368666] in Unpopular ... [t:80768085]...</cite> <quote>By extension, this means that technically, CJayC is an optional boss. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RetuenOfDevsman 05/13/24 12:00:08 AM #11:	GATTJT posted... Examples? Well, an easy game that requires perfect play would be like, if you're on a grid like a checkerboard where you can only move one space either up, down, left or right. Or sit there indefinitely, I guess. Now, the space to your left has beams of light from the sky while the other three spaces all have instant death spikes. There's one solution, and deviating from it any at all is failure. Hence perfect play. But in this instance it's also really easy. But it's crappy design because of the perfect play. --- There's a difference between canon and not-stupid. <cite>RetuenOfDevsman posted [p:980368689] in Unpopular ... [t:80768085]...</cite> <quote>GATTJT posted... </cite><quote>Examples?</quote>Well, an easy game that requires perfect play would be like, if you're on a grid like a checkerboard where you can only move one space either up, down, left or right. Or sit there indefinitely, I guess. Now, the space to your left has beams of light from the sky while the other three spaces all have instant death spikes.There's one solution, and deviating from it any at all is failure. Hence perfect play. But in this instance it's also really easy. But it's crappy design because of the perfect play. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 05/13/24 12:01:43 AM #13:	RetuenOfDevsman posted... Well, an easy game that requires perfect play would be like, if you're on a grid like a checkerboard where you can only move one space either up, down, left or right. Or sit there indefinitely, I guess. Now, the space to your left has beams of light from the sky while the other three spaces all have instant death spikes. There's one solution, and deviating from it any at all is failure. Hence perfect play. But in this instance it's also really easy. But it's crappy design because of the perfect play. So what you're saying is you have no example so you had to make up something in your head to be mad about. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:980368707] in Unpopular ... [t:80768085]...</cite> <quote>RetuenOfDevsman posted... </cite><quote>Well, an easy game that requires perfect play would be like, if you're on a grid like a checkerboard where you can only move one space either up, down, left or right. Or sit there indefinitely, I guess. Now, the space to your left has beams of light from the sky while the other three spaces all have instant death spikes.There's one solution, and deviating from it any at all is failure. Hence perfect play. But in this instance it's also really easy. But it's crappy design because of the perfect play.</quote>So what you're saying is you have no example so you had to make up something in your head to be mad about. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DodogamaRayBrst 05/13/24 12:04:17 AM #14:	Why is TC refusing to name the game that is upsetting him? <cite>DodogamaRayBrst posted [p:980368728] in Unpopular ... [t:80768085]...</cite> <quote>Why is TC refusing to name the game that is upsetting him?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
leex0 05/13/24 12:07:47 AM #15:	If the whole game is optional then the developers can require perfect play if they want. Just don't buy this hypothetical game you won't name. --- Yum, yum eat 'em up <cite>leex0 posted [p:980368762] in Unpopular ... [t:80768085]...</cite> <quote>If the whole game is optional then the developers can require perfect play if they want. Just don't buy this hypothetical game you won't name. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssb_yunglink2 05/13/24 12:09:35 AM #16:	What game prompted this topic? Theres clearly a game in mind --- Hee Ho <cite>ssb_yunglink2 posted [p:980368784] in Unpopular ... [t:80768085]...</cite> <quote>What game prompted this topic? Theres clearly a game in mind </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kim_Seong-a 05/13/24 12:18:40 AM #17:	This is why I pretty much never touch super-bosses. Nothing fun about grinding the post-game for hours on end just to break the entire game to fight the one enemy that doesn't play by the rules. >_> --- Lusa Cfaad Taydr <cite>Kim_Seong-a posted [p:980368857] in Unpopular ... [t:80768085]...</cite> <quote>This is why I pretty much never touch super-bosses. Nothing fun about grinding the post-game for hours on end just to break the entire game to fight the one enemy that doesn't play by the rules. >_> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 05/13/24 12:20:37 AM #18:	RetuenOfDevsman posted... There's one solution, and deviating from it any at all is failure. Hence perfect play. But in this instance it's also really easy. But it's crappy design because of the perfect play. Why is that crappy design? --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:980368878] in Unpopular ... [t:80768085]...</cite> <quote>RetuenOfDevsman posted... </cite><quote>There's one solution, and deviating from it any at all is failure. Hence perfect play. But in this instance it's also really easy. But it's crappy design because of the perfect play.</quote>Why is that crappy design? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkfire12 05/13/24 12:20:53 AM #19:	was it one of those QTEs in bayonetta because i agree the timing on those is bullshit --- waiter! waiter! more yuri please!! she/her. trans rights <cite>Darkfire12 posted [p:980368881] in Unpopular ... [t:80768085]...</cite> <quote>was it one of those QTEs in bayonettabecause i agree the timing on those is bullshit </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RetuenOfDevsman 05/13/24 12:21:38 AM #20:	Guide posted... Why is that crappy design? It defeats the purpose of a game. At that point it's just a set of instructions to follow. --- There's a difference between canon and not-stupid. <cite>RetuenOfDevsman posted [p:980368890] in Unpopular ... [t:80768085]...</cite> <quote>Guide posted... </cite><quote>Why is that crappy design?</quote>It defeats the purpose of a game. At that point it's just a set of instructions to follow. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GrandConjuraton 05/13/24 12:27:02 AM #21:	Git gud --- I think you're hurting yourself, 'cause you hurt me https://imgur.com/o21DN7r <cite>GrandConjuraton posted [p:980368933] in Unpopular ... [t:80768085]...</cite> <quote>Git gud </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssjevot 05/13/24 12:29:19 AM #22:	What's a game that requires perfect play? Like as an example of an actual game. Is it games with one hit kills? I would only argue those require perfect play if you have like pixel perfect jumps, dodges, etc. Celeste had some really tough jumps, can't remember if they were pixel perfect, but it also had extensive difficulty modifying options. Can't really think of any other super hard one hit kill games right now. --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss <cite>ssjevot posted [p:980368956] in Unpopular ... [t:80768085]...</cite> <quote>What's a game that requires perfect play? Like as an example of an actual game. Is it games with one hit kills? I would only argue those require perfect play if you have like pixel perfect jumps, dodges, etc. Celeste had some really tough jumps, can't remember if they were pixel perfect, but it also had extensive difficulty modifying options. Can't really think of any other super hard one hit kill games right now. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
refmon 05/13/24 12:42:13 AM #23:	DodogamaRayBrst posted... Why is TC refusing to name the game that is upsetting him? --- If you read this signature, then that meant that I had control of what you read for 5 SECONDS!! <cite>refmon posted [p:980369081] in Unpopular ... [t:80768085]...</cite> <quote>DodogamaRayBrst posted... </cite><quote>Why is TC refusing to name the game that is upsetting him?</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ironman2009 05/13/24 12:43:29 AM #24:	Tyranthraxus posted... So what you're saying is you have no example so you had to make up something in your head to be mad about. --- THRILLHO <cite>ironman2009 posted [p:980369091] in Unpopular ... [t:80768085]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite><quote>So what you're saying is you have no example so you had to make up something in your head to be mad about.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RetuenOfDevsman 05/13/24 12:46:29 AM #25:	Figures CE would get caught up on the example. You guys have an uncanny nack for missing the point. I should have just said "shitty design" and left it at that. --- There's a difference between canon and not-stupid. <cite>RetuenOfDevsman posted [p:980369120] in Unpopular ... [t:80768085]...</cite> <quote>Figures CE would get caught up on the example.You guys have an uncanny nack for missing the point. I should have just said "shitty design" and left it at that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssb_yunglink2 05/13/24 12:47:51 AM #26:	RetuenOfDevsman posted... Figures CE would get caught up on the example. You guys have an uncanny back for missing the point. I should have just said "shitty design" and left it at that. You cant bring up a highly specific topic like perfect play, refuse to give actual examples or explain the context, and then say everyone is missing the point You never made a point to begin with --- Hee Ho <cite>ssb_yunglink2 posted [p:980369130] in Unpopular ... [t:80768085]...</cite> <quote>RetuenOfDevsman posted... </cite><quote>Figures CE would get caught up on the example.You guys have an uncanny back for missing the point.I should have just said "shitty design" and left it at that.</quote>You cant bring up a highly specific topic like perfect play, refuse to give actual examples or explain the context, and then say everyone is missing the point You never made a point to begin with </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DodogamaRayBrst 05/13/24 12:48:02 AM #27:	What a weird attitude. <cite>DodogamaRayBrst posted [p:980369135] in Unpopular ... [t:80768085]...</cite> <quote>What a weird attitude. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BakonBitz 05/13/24 12:48:34 AM #28:	I love topics that describe completely fabricated scenarios just to cause discussion/arguments. --- Game collection: http://www.backloggery.com/bakonbitz Gaming channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwVQm69J7bGScbv3_50C0dA <cite>BakonBitz posted [p:980369139] in Unpopular ... [t:80768085]...</cite> <quote>I love topics that describe completely fabricated scenarios just to cause discussion/arguments. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssb_yunglink2 05/13/24 12:48:51 AM #29:	this is the same dude who thinks graphics havent improved since the ps3 --- Hee Ho <cite>ssb_yunglink2 posted [p:980369142] in Unpopular ... [t:80768085]...</cite> <quote>this is the same dude who thinks graphics havent improved since the ps3 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RetuenOfDevsman 05/13/24 12:56:46 AM #30:	ssb_yunglink2 posted... You cant bring up a highly specific topic like perfect play, refuse to give actual examples or explain the context, and then say everyone is missing the point You never made a point to begin with That was itself the example. Man even when I tell you guys what you did wrong you continue to do exactly what I just told you you did wrong, lol. This topic is about: RetuenOfDevsman posted... The entire game is optional, therefore being optional is no excuse for s*ty design --- There's a difference between canon and not-stupid. <cite>RetuenOfDevsman posted [p:980369206] in Unpopular ... [t:80768085]...</cite> <quote>ssb_yunglink2 posted... </cite><quote>You cant bring up a highly specific topic like perfect play, refuse to give actual examples or explain the context, and then say everyone is missing the pointYou never made a point to begin with</quote>That was itself the example. Man even when I tell you guys what you did wrong you continue to do exactly what I just told you you did wrong, lol.This topic is about:RetuenOfDevsman posted... </cite><quote>The entire game is optional, therefore being optional is no excuse for s*ty design</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssb_yunglink2 05/13/24 12:58:19 AM #31:	RetuenOfDevsman posted... being optional is no excuse for shitty design like requiring perfect play. --- Hee Ho <cite>ssb_yunglink2 posted [p:980369223] in Unpopular ... [t:80768085]...</cite> <quote>RetuenOfDevsman posted... </cite><quote>being optional is no excuse for shitty design like requiring perfect play.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssb_yunglink2 05/13/24 12:59:05 AM #32:	RetuenOfDevsman posted... Well, an easy game that requires perfect play would be like, if you're on a grid like a checkerboard where you can only move one space either up, down, left or right. Or sit there indefinitely, I guess. Now, the space to your left has beams of light from the sky while the other three spaces all have instant death spikes. There's one solution, and deviating from it any at all is failure. Hence perfect play. But in this instance it's also really easy. But it's crappy design because of the perfect play. --- Hee Ho <cite>ssb_yunglink2 posted [p:980369233] in Unpopular ... [t:80768085]...</cite> <quote>RetuenOfDevsman posted... </cite><quote>Well, an easy game that requires perfect play would be like, if you're on a grid like a checkerboard where you can only move one space either up, down, left or right. Or sit there indefinitely, I guess. Now, the space to your left has beams of light from the sky while the other three spaces all have instant death spikes.There's one solution, and deviating from it any at all is failure. Hence perfect play. But in this instance it's also really easy. But it's crappy design because of the perfect play.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
party_animal07 05/13/24 1:05:18 AM #33:	Hornyposting isn't allowed, but this shit is okay somehow? Make it make sense. --- https://warpzone.me/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/GRANDIA_-696x509.jpg <cite>party_animal07 posted [p:980369281] in Unpopular ... [t:80768085]...</cite> <quote>Hornyposting isn't allowed, but this shit is okay somehow? Make it make sense. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GrandConjuraton 05/13/24 1:06:50 AM #34:	party_animal07 posted... Make it make sense 404 error: sense not found --- I think you're hurting yourself, 'cause you hurt me https://imgur.com/o21DN7r <cite>GrandConjuraton posted [p:980369294] in Unpopular ... [t:80768085]...</cite> <quote>party_animal07 posted... </cite><quote>Make it make sense</quote>404 error: sense not found </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Whiterun_Guard_ 05/13/24 1:16:46 AM #35:	Is this topic the game? --- No lollygaggin'. <cite>Whiterun_Guard_ posted [p:980369357] in Unpopular ... [t:80768085]...</cite> <quote>Is this topic the game? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 05/13/24 1:27:41 AM #36:	Whiterun_Guard_ posted... Is this topic the game? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DGNZnfKYnU --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:980369448] in Unpopular ... [t:80768085]...</cite> <quote>Whiterun_Guard_ posted... </cite><quote>Is this topic the game?</quote>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DGNZnfKYnU </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssjevot 05/13/24 1:47:54 AM #37:	Can you just give us an example of a game with what you consider shitty design so we can understand? A lot of people have different ideas on what is or isn't shitty design and the description here is vague which is why people are asking for examples. --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss <cite>ssjevot posted [p:980369569] in Unpopular ... [t:80768085]...</cite> <quote>Can you just give us an example of a game with what you consider shitty design so we can understand? A lot of people have different ideas on what is or isn't shitty design and the description here is vague which is why people are asking for examples. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ironman2009 05/13/24 10:42:59 AM #38:	Bump --- THRILLHO <cite>ironman2009 posted [p:980373005] in Unpopular ... [t:80768085]...</cite> <quote>Bump </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 05/13/24 10:44:45 AM #39:	DodogamaRayBrst posted... Why is TC refusing to name the game that is upsetting him? it's part of his gimmick ssb_yunglink2 posted... this is the same dude who thinks graphics havent improved since the ps3 his obtuseness is intentional. --- I hope something good happens to you today Playing: God of War: Ragnarok <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:980373026] in Unpopular ... [t:80768085]...</cite> <quote>DodogamaRayBrst posted... </cite><quote>Why is TC refusing to name the game that is upsetting him?</quote>it's part of his gimmickssb_yunglink2 posted... </cite><quote>this is the same dude who thinks graphics havent improved since the ps3</quote>his obtuseness is intentional. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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