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TheOtherMike 05/13/24 10:57:57 PM #101:	ForsakenHermit posted... Like it or not either way the the government has blood on its hands in either scenario. Nope. If someone serves their time and is released the government isn't responsible for the crimes they may then commit. ForsakenHermit posted... I'll apologize for accusing you of being in favor of mass murderers that was an emotional reaction to being dogpiled and it was wrong. I'm sorry Thank you. ForsakenHermit posted... Now you should apologize for calling me a troll. Think my position is stupid all you fucking want but I'm being completely sincere in thinking that people in favor of releasing 'rehabilitated' mass murderers aren't being logically consistent about their concerns about innocent bloodshed. I will not. I called you a troll for the baseless accusation, not for the stupid comparison. Making accusations like that is textbook trolling. --- Only two things can end a Republican's career - a dead girl or a live boy. <cite>TheOtherMike posted [p:980383453] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>ForsakenHermit posted... </cite><quote>Like it or not either way the the government has blood on its hands in either scenario.</quote>Nope. If someone serves their time and is released the government isn't responsible for the crimes they may then commit.ForsakenHermit posted... </cite><quote>I'll apologize for accusing you of being in favor of mass murderers that was an emotional reaction to being dogpiled and it was wrong. I'm sorry</quote>Thank you.ForsakenHermit posted... </cite><quote>Now you should apologize for calling me a troll. Think my position is stupid all you fucking want but I'm being completely sincere in thinking that people in favor of releasing 'rehabilitated' mass murderers aren't being logically consistent about their concerns about innocent bloodshed.</quote>I will not. I called you a troll for the baseless accusation, not for the stupid comparison. Making accusations like that is textbook trolling. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ForsakenHermit 05/13/24 11:01:29 PM #102:	TheOtherMike posted... Nope. If someone serves their time and is released the government isn't responsible for the crimes they may commit. If they release someone on a life sentence with parole and that person kills someone the parole board has blood on their hands for releasing a dangerous person back into society. --- Beware the fanatic! Too often his cure is deadlier by far than the evil he denounces!-Stan Lee RIP Make Arcades Great Again! <cite>ForsakenHermit posted [p:980383524] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>TheOtherMike posted... </cite><quote>Nope. If someone serves their time and is released the government isn't responsible for the crimes they may commit.</quote>If they release someone on a life sentence with parole and that person kills someone the parole board has blood on their hands for releasing a dangerous person back into society. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CountCorvinus 05/13/24 11:06:13 PM #103:	I'm against capital punishment because wrongful and unjust convictions do exist, but I'm otherwise in favor of Lex talionis in principle. --- "Stop me if you heard this one: Jesus Christ walks into a hotel." (THEY/THEM) <cite>CountCorvinus posted [p:980383585] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote> I'm against capital punishment because wrongful and unjust convictions do exist, but I'm otherwise in favor of Lex talionis in principle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheOtherMike 05/13/24 11:12:58 PM #104:	ForsakenHermit posted... If they release someone on a life sentence with parole and that person kills someone the parole board has blood on their hands for releasing a dangerous person back into society when they should have been kept locked up where they belong. Only if they had reason to believe the person was a danger to others. If they genuinely believed the person was rehabilitated then no, they really don't. It's nowhere near as black and white as you're trying to make it. And it's still completely incomparable to executing innocent people. --- Only two things can end a Republican's career - a dead girl or a live boy. <cite>TheOtherMike posted [p:980383674] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>ForsakenHermit posted... </cite><quote>If they release someone on a life sentence with parole and that person kills someone the parole board has blood on their hands for releasing a dangerous person back into society when they should have been kept locked up where they belong.</quote>Only if they had reason to believe the person was a danger to others. If they genuinely believed the person was rehabilitated then no, they really don't. It's nowhere near as black and white as you're trying to make it. And it's still completely incomparable to executing innocent people. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ForsakenHermit 05/13/24 11:16:09 PM #105:	TheOtherMike posted... Only if they had reason to believe the person was a danger to others. If they genuinely believed the person was rehabilitated then no, they really don't. It's nowhere near as black and white as you're trying to make it. And it's still completely incomparable to executing innocent people. Impressive, every word in that post was wrong. --- Beware the fanatic! Too often his cure is deadlier by far than the evil he denounces!-Stan Lee RIP Make Arcades Great Again! <cite>ForsakenHermit posted [p:980383718] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>TheOtherMike posted... </cite><quote>Only if they had reason to believe the person was a danger to others. If they genuinely believed the person was rehabilitated then no, they really don't. It's nowhere near as black and white as you're trying to make it. And it's still completely incomparable to executing innocent people.</quote>Impressive, every word in that post was wrong. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheOtherMike 05/13/24 11:36:02 PM #106:	ForsakenHermit posted... Impressive, every word in that post was wrong. Nope. --- Only two things can end a Republican's career - a dead girl or a live boy. <cite>TheOtherMike posted [p:980383942] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>ForsakenHermit posted... </cite><quote>Impressive, every word in that post was wrong.</quote>Nope. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pazzy 05/13/24 11:37:39 PM #107:	When used for serial killers and the like, I think it's fine where the person is obviously guilty in those regards and a threat to multiple lives. That's about it. <cite>pazzy posted [p:980383958] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>When used for serial killers and the like, I think it's fine where the person is obviously guilty in those regards and a threat to multiple lives. That's about it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ForsakenHermit 05/13/24 11:40:07 PM #108:	TheOtherMike posted... Nope. Yes. You clearly don't give a shit about innocent people being killed and are clwarly concern trolling about the government killing people. You're not in favor of protecting innocent life you're just anti execution. You'll never hear from me again because you can't make a good argument in your favor and you fail to back up your claims with anything of value. --- Beware the fanatic! Too often his cure is deadlier by far than the evil he denounces!-Stan Lee RIP Make Arcades Great Again! <cite>ForsakenHermit posted [p:980383980] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>TheOtherMike posted... </cite><quote>Nope.</quote>Yes. You clearly don't give a shit about innocent people being killed and are clwarly concern trolling about the government killing people. You're not in favor of protecting innocent life you're just anti execution. You'll never hear from me again because you can't make a good argument in your favor and you fail to back up your claims with anything of value. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheOtherMike 05/13/24 11:46:51 PM #109:	ForsakenHermit posted... Yes. You clearly don't give a shit about innocent people being killed and are clwarly concern trolling about the government killing people. You're not in favor of protecting innocent life you're just anti execution. And we're back to just blatantly trolling. Can't say I'm surprised. ForsakenHermit posted... You'll never hear from me again because you can't make a good argument in your favor and you fail to back up your claims.with anything of value. Bro, you're wrong. A government directly executing innocent people is not comparable to a government indirectly (at best, and even that's a stretch) contributing to murder deaths from parolees. You haven't made any compelling argument for why someone who opposes the death penalty is hypocritical if they also support parole for seemingly rehabilitated murderers (which, for the record, I don't). Just shut the fuck up already. --- Only two things can end a Republican's career - a dead girl or a live boy. <cite>TheOtherMike posted [p:980384080] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>ForsakenHermit posted... </cite><quote>Yes. You clearly don't give a shit about innocent people being killed and are clwarly concern trolling about the government killing people. You're not in favor of protecting innocent life you're just anti execution.</quote>And we're back to just blatantly trolling. Can't say I'm surprised. ForsakenHermit posted... </cite><quote>You'll never hear from me again because you can't make a good argument in your favor and you fail to back up your claims.with anything of value.</quote>Bro, you're wrong. A government directly executing innocent people is not comparable to a government indirectly (at best, and even that's a stretch) contributing to murder deaths from parolees. You haven't made any compelling argument for why someone who opposes the death penalty is hypocritical if they also support parole for seemingly rehabilitated murderers (which, for the record, I don't). Just shut the fuck up already. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
party_animal07 05/13/24 11:55:04 PM #110:	The system is to flawed and corrupt for me to trust the death penalty. --- https://warpzone.me/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/GRANDIA_-696x509.jpg <cite>party_animal07 posted [p:980384169] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>The system is to flawed and corrupt for me to trust the death penalty. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ozovzk 05/14/24 12:11:20 AM #111:	The death penalty as it exists in the US is undeniably racist, cruel, and overly punitive. It should not exist solely because a) we know for a fact that we execute innocent people b) some states continue to experiment on new forms of execution. So I would argue that even ignoring the larger debate about execution, the US has proven that it is not capable of responsibly carrying out the death penalty because the sentence is too arbitrary we don't even have a regulated, "humane" way of doing so. I also fundamentally disagree with the idea of capital punishment but frankly it's easier to specifically argue against how it's implemented (and how the US justice system functions overall). <cite>Ozovzk posted [p:980384345] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>The death penalty as it exists in the US is undeniably racist, cruel, and overly punitive. It should not exist solely because a) we know for a fact that we execute innocent people b) some states continue to experiment on new forms of execution. So I would argue that even ignoring the larger debate about execution, the US has proven that it is not capable of responsibly carrying out the death penalty because the sentence is too arbitrary we don't even have a regulated, "humane" way of doing so. I also fundamentally disagree with the idea of capital punishment but frankly it's easier to specifically argue against how it's implemented (and how the US justice system functions overall).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Arcanine2009 05/14/24 12:27:45 AM #112:	I'm conflicted. There are some evil people that truly deserve it. But there are also people that get framed/wrongfully convicted as well, and they sure as hell don't deserve that. --- Less is more. Everything you want, isn't everything you need. <cite>Arcanine2009 posted [p:980384504] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>I'm conflicted. There are some evil people that truly deserve it. But there are also people that get framed/wrongfully convicted as well, and they sure as hell don't deserve that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybabe89 05/14/24 12:31:06 AM #113:	"If you're against the death penalty, then you support innocent people getting killed, because a mass murderer will theoretically get paroled eventually maybe and do more mass murders" sure is a take. Actually hypocrisy is people being distrustful of the government, and then vocally advocating for the state to have the power over life and death. --- https://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png she/her <cite>hockeybabe89 posted [p:980384538] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>"If you're against the death penalty, then you support innocent people getting killed, because a mass murderer will theoretically get paroled eventually maybe and do more mass murders" sure is a take.Actually hypocrisy is people being distrustful of the government, and then vocally advocating for the state to have the power over life and death. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KI_Simpson 05/14/24 1:08:28 AM #114:	Whether someone should be released back into free society is not related to whether the government should kill them, the whole argument is a false dichotomy. --- They/them <cite>KI_Simpson posted [p:980384768] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>Whether someone should be released back into free society is not related to whether the government should kill them, the whole argument is a false dichotomy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BewmHedshot 05/14/24 1:14:24 AM #115:	It's weird the same people that don't trust the government to do banal things like collect taxes and build roads are usually gung ho about having the government kill its own citizens. For what it's worth I don't think a civilized nation state needs capital punishment, Europe seems to do fine without it. <cite>BewmHedshot posted [p:980384813] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>It's weird the same people that don't trust the government to do banal things like collect taxes and build roads are usually gung ho about having the government kill its own citizens.For what it's worth I don't think a civilized nation state needs capital punishment, Europe seems to do fine without it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trumble 05/14/24 1:16:18 AM #116:	I think it's justified in extreme cases, but they need to be pretty extreme. Someone like the Christchurch shooter for example, someone like that will likely never reform, nor do they really deserve the chance. That's the kind of case where death penalty is justified. I am, however, completely in favor of prison sentences lasting until reform is pretty certian, rather than just fixed periods. At least for violent or significant sexual offences. --- I fought the Trumble and the Trumble won. <cite>Trumble posted [p:980384831] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>I think it's justified in extreme cases, but they need to be pretty extreme. Someone like the Christchurch shooter for example, someone like that will likely never reform, nor do they really deserve the chance. That's the kind of case where death penalty is justified.I am, however, completely in favor of prison sentences lasting until reform is pretty certian, rather than just fixed periods. At least for violent or significant sexual offences. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ForsakenHermit 05/14/24 1:18:16 AM #117:	KI_Simpson posted... Whether someone should be released back into free society is not related to whether the government should kill them, the whole argument is a false dichotomy. No but it is hypocritical to be against the death penalty because innocent people could be killed and in favor of mass murderers getting released from prison when they could go and kill innocent people. If you're against the former but not the latter you're not against innocent people being killed. You're against execution and concern trolling about innocence. --- Beware the fanatic! Too often his cure is deadlier by far than the evil he denounces!-Stan Lee RIP Make Arcades Great Again! <cite>ForsakenHermit posted [p:980384845] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>KI_Simpson posted... </cite><quote>Whether someone should be released back into free society is not related to whether the government should kill them, the whole argument is a false dichotomy.</quote>No but it is hypocritical to be against the death penalty because innocent people could be killed and in favor of mass murderers getting released from prison when they could go and kill innocent people.If you're against the former but not the latter you're not against innocent people being killed. You're against execution and concern trolling about innocence. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KI_Simpson 05/14/24 1:19:06 AM #118:	Trumble posted... I think it's justified in extreme cases, but they need to be pretty extreme. Someone like the Christchurch shooter for example, someone like that will likely never reform, nor do they really deserve the chance. That's the kind of case where death penalty is justified. I am, however, completely in favor of prison sentences lasting until reform is pretty certian, rather than just fixed periods. At least for violent or significant sexual offences. The death penalty is more expensive than life in prison (and not for stupid reasons we could cut, no expense can or should ever be spared to make sure no innocent people are executed), the issue isn't that no one deserves to die, it's that there is no real benefit to killing people who are already locked up in prison. --- They/them <cite>KI_Simpson posted [p:980384857] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>Trumble posted... </cite><quote>I think it's justified in extreme cases, but they need to be pretty extreme. Someone like the Christchurch shooter for example, someone like that will likely never reform, nor do they really deserve the chance. That's the kind of case where death penalty is justified.I am, however, completely in favor of prison sentences lasting until reform is pretty certian, rather than just fixed periods. At least for violent or significant sexual offences.</quote>The death penalty is more expensive than life in prison (and not for stupid reasons we could cut, no expense can or should ever be spared to make sure no innocent people are executed), the issue isn't that no one deserves to die, it's that there is no real benefit to killing people who are already locked up in prison. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KI_Simpson 05/14/24 1:19:59 AM #119:	ForsakenHermit posted... No but it is hypocritical to be against the death penalty because innocent people could be killed and in favor of mass murderers getting released from prison when they could go and kill innocent people. If you're against the former but not the latter you're not against innocent people being killed. You're against execution and concern trolling about innocence. Please show some direct quotes from people in this topic who want mass murderers simply released into the public. --- They/them <cite>KI_Simpson posted [p:980384867] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>ForsakenHermit posted... </cite><quote>No but it is hypocritical to be against the death penalty because innocent people could be killed and in favor of mass murderers getting released from prison when they could go and kill innocent people.If you're against the former but not the latter you're not against innocent people being killed. You're against execution and concern trolling about innocence.</quote>Please show some direct quotes from people in this topic who want mass murderers simply released into the public. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Voidgolem 05/14/24 1:22:35 AM #120:	there are circumstances where I would think it's justified, even with an eye towards "the system should try to rehabilitate people, not punish them", but I have no faith in our current system to apply it in a just manner. So I have be to against it --- Variable General Veeg, at your service <cite>Voidgolem posted [p:980384883] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>there are circumstances where I would think it's justified, even with an eye towards "the system should try to rehabilitate people, not punish them", but I have no faith in our current system to apply it in a just manner. So I have be to against it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MyMainAccount 05/14/24 1:52:24 AM #121:	Not even once. --- My Real Blog https://veryrealwow.wixsite.com/website Send a PM with questions and I will reply on my blog. If desired, request a pseudonym. <cite>MyMainAccount posted [p:980385092] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>Not even once. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dabrikishaw15 05/14/24 1:58:44 AM #122:	I'm against it because of the chance of innocence. While the other reasons are just as valid I feel like the change of the charged party being innocent is the biggest reason not too. --- 3DS FC: 4382 - 2449 - 5707 IGN: Anthony <cite>Dabrikishaw15 posted [p:980385135] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>I'm against it because of the chance of innocence. While the other reasons are just as valid I feel like the change of the charged party being innocent is the biggest reason not too. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GGuirao13 05/14/24 2:18:16 AM #123:	I'm for it, as long as we can ensure innocent people don't suffer it. --- Donald J. Trump--proof against government intelligence. <cite>GGuirao13 posted [p:980385242] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>I'm for it, as long as we can ensure innocent people don't suffer it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vyrulisse 05/14/24 2:19:33 AM #124:	Some crimes are so heinous that the only outcome should be death. In general I don't like it though. --- http://i.imgur.com/6VeX04D.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7T2OR-O2Vk <cite>Vyrulisse posted [p:980385246] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>Some crimes are so heinous that the only outcome should be death.In general I don't like it though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unknown5uspect 05/14/24 2:40:28 AM #125:	Sindayven posted... There are people who deserve to die, but nobody should be empowered to deliver it, least of all the state. Couldn't have phrased it better. --- How can the moon landing be real if the moon isn't real? <cite>Unknown5uspect posted [p:980385370] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>Sindayven posted... </cite><quote>There are people who deserve to die, but nobody should be empowered to deliver it, least of all the state.</quote>Couldn't have phrased it better. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Skeletal_King 05/14/24 2:48:22 AM #126:	Completely in favor of it, BUT only for the worst of the worst. Serial killers, serial rapists, dictators, and such. People who we know are beyond a shadow of a doubt completely guilty. <cite>Skeletal_King posted [p:980385407] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>Completely in favor of it, BUT only for the worst of the worst. Serial killers, serial rapists, dictators, and such.People who we know are beyond a shadow of a doubt completely guilty.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bringit 05/14/24 2:53:29 AM #127:	Anyone for it has to consider the notion of one of their close friends or family members being put to death for no apparent reason and with zero recourse. Because that happens. --- "I still have a tattoo to get, that says I'm living in the moment." <cite>Bringit posted [p:980385420] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>Anyone for it has to consider the notion of one of their close friends or family members being put to death for no apparent reason and with zero recourse.Because that happens. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybabe89 05/14/24 5:49:13 AM #128:	BewmHedshot posted... It's weird the same people that don't trust the government to do banal things like collect taxes and build roads are usually gung ho about having the government kill its own citizens. For what it's worth I don't think a civilized nation state needs capital punishment, Europe seems to do fine without it. Yeah, I'll never understand the "government should only exist for security" crowd. If you can't trust the government to do small stuff, how the hell are you cool tasking them with extremely serious matters? --- https://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png she/her <cite>hockeybabe89 posted [p:980386224] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>BewmHedshot posted... </cite><quote>It's weird the same people that don't trust the government to do banal things like collect taxes and build roads are usually gung ho about having the government kill its own citizens.For what it's worth I don't think a civilized nation state needs capital punishment, Europe seems to do fine without it.</quote>Yeah, I'll never understand the "government should only exist for security" crowd. If you can't trust the government to do small stuff, how the hell are you cool tasking them with extremely serious matters? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ai123 05/14/24 6:05:34 AM #129:	Skeletal_King posted... People who we know are beyond a shadow of a doubt completely guilty. That's supposed to be the standard right now. And yet innocent people sit on death row. --- 'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'. <cite>ai123 posted [p:980386321] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>Skeletal_King posted... </cite><quote>People who we know are beyond a shadow of a doubt completely guilty.</quote>That's supposed to be the standard right now.And yet innocent people sit on death row. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 05/14/24 6:11:00 AM #130:	i think some people deserve an execution, but the risk of executing someone innocent outweighs the benefit of executing a heinous monster i think in cases where theres a literal 0% chance of having the wrong guy (i.e. rapist/terrorist caught in the act) etc then theres more of a justification to do so <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:980386344] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>i think some people deserve an execution, but the risk of executing someone innocent outweighs the benefit of executing a heinous monster i think in cases where theres a literal 0% chance of having the wrong guy (i.e. rapist/terrorist caught in the act) etc then theres more of a justification to do so </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KI_Simpson 05/14/24 7:55:48 AM #131:	hockeybabe89 posted... Yeah, I'll never understand the "government should only exist for security" crowd. If you can't trust the government to do small stuff, how the hell are you cool tasking them with extremely serious matters? Saying the government should only control and punish people but never help is basically an open request for tyranny. --- They/them <cite>KI_Simpson posted [p:980386965] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>hockeybabe89 posted... </cite><quote>Yeah, I'll never understand the "government should only exist for security" crowd. If you can't trust the government to do small stuff, how the hell are you cool tasking them with extremely serious matters?</quote>Saying the government should only control and punish people but never help is basically an open request for tyranny. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 05/14/24 8:14:57 AM #132:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] This. Timothy McVeigh is the example I always go to. Dude wasn't going to be rehabilitated, he fully believed he was in the right. Why keep him around? --- Furthermore, The GOP is a Fascist Organization and must be destroyed <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:980387116] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> This. Timothy McVeigh is the example I always go to. Dude wasn't going to be rehabilitated, he fully believed he was in the right. Why keep him around? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thanatos_the_Great 05/14/24 8:24:22 AM #133:	ScazarMeltex posted... This. Timothy McVeigh is the example I always go to. Dude wasn't going to be rehabilitated, he fully believed he was in the right. Why keep him around? Because we should be better than him. --- Re-open board 261. <cite>Thanatos_the_Great posted [p:980387203] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>ScazarMeltex posted... </cite><quote>This. Timothy McVeigh is the example I always go to. Dude wasn't going to be rehabilitated, he fully believed he was in the right. Why keep him around?</quote>Because we should be better than him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/14/24 8:27:57 AM #134:	To paraphrase John Oliver, I believe thinking of the death penalty from the perspective of "them" (being our worst people) is the wrong way to go about it. It's not about them. It's about us. It's about our modern evolved society and what it means for us to wish to seek death for the worst of us. What does that say about us? That we're vengeful? That we're bloodthirsty? That we consider ourselves worthy of judging someone to death? That we'll handwave it away by making an argument about "wasting resources" on a number of people in the double digits out of the billions on this planet? --- CyricZ He/him http://twitch.tv/cyricz42 <cite>CyricZ posted [p:980387233] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>To paraphrase John Oliver, I believe thinking of the death penalty from the perspective of "them" (being our worst people) is the wrong way to go about it. It's not about them. It's about us.It's about our modern evolved society and what it means for us to wish to seek death for the worst of us. What does that say about us? That we're vengeful? That we're bloodthirsty? That we consider ourselves worthy of judging someone to death?That we'll handwave it away by making an argument about "wasting resources" on a number of people in the double digits out of the billions on this planet? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 05/14/24 8:38:17 AM #135:	Thanatos_the_Great posted... Because we should be better than him. And it's more humane to lock him in prison for the rest of his existence? --- Furthermore, The GOP is a Fascist Organization and must be destroyed <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:980387324] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>Thanatos_the_Great posted... </cite><quote>Because we should be better than him.</quote>And it's more humane to lock him in prison for the rest of his existence? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thanatos_the_Great 05/14/24 8:39:15 AM #136:	ScazarMeltex posted... And it's more humane to lock him in prison for the rest of his existence? Yes. --- Re-open board 261. <cite>Thanatos_the_Great posted [p:980387335] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>ScazarMeltex posted... </cite><quote>And it's more humane to lock him in prison for the rest of his existence?</quote>Yes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Beveren_Rabbit 05/14/24 8:41:12 AM #137:	I think it's less about "us" and more about the victim's family :) --- flops <cite>Beveren_Rabbit posted [p:980387349] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>I think it's less about "us" and more about the victim's family :) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Compsognathus 05/14/24 8:41:42 AM #138:	ScazarMeltex posted... This. Timothy McVeigh is the example I always go to. Dude wasn't going to be rehabilitated, he fully believed he was in the right. Why keep him around? Because the system that would allow us to get rid of him is broken and results in the deaths of innocents. I understand that people think some individuals deserve to be executed. I frequently here about executions and hardly lose sleep over them, because it was very well established that they were a bad, unredeemable person. But the instrument that allows for executions to take place is broken. It kills innocent people. And that system can never be fixed. There will never be a system put in play that can ethically guarantee that only the guilty are executed. And as long as there is a non-zero chance that an innocent can be murdered by the government, I cannot be in favor. --- 1 line break(s), 160 characters allowed <cite>Compsognathus posted [p:980387358] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>ScazarMeltex posted... </cite><quote>This. Timothy McVeigh is the example I always go to. Dude wasn't going to be rehabilitated, he fully believed he was in the right. Why keep him around?</quote>Because the system that would allow us to get rid of him is broken and results in the deaths of innocents.I understand that people think some individuals deserve to be executed. I frequently here about executions and hardly lose sleep over them, because it was very well established that they were a bad, unredeemable person. But the instrument that allows for executions to take place is broken. It kills innocent people. And that system can never be fixed. There will never be a system put in play that can ethically guarantee that only the guilty are executed. And as long as there is a non-zero chance that an innocent can be murdered by the government, I cannot be in favor. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IceCreamOnStero 05/14/24 8:50:00 AM #139:	Never death penalty. --- Dokkan ID: 2365415872 <cite>IceCreamOnStero posted [p:980387438] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>Never death penalty. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EDF-5 05/14/24 8:54:08 AM #140:	Against death penalty for one direction songs loop penalty <cite>EDF-5 posted [p:980387472] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>Against death penaltyfor one direction songs loop penalty</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 05/14/24 8:55:36 AM #141:	There's no good reason to have the death penalty. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:980387484] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>There's no good reason to have the death penalty. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 05/14/24 8:58:32 AM #142:	Compsognathus posted... Because the system that would allow us to get rid of him is broken and results in the deaths of innocents. I understand that people think some individuals deserve to be executed. I frequently here about executions and hardly lose sleep over them, because it was very well established that they were a bad, unredeemable person. But the instrument that allows for executions to take place is broken. It kills innocent people. And that system can never be fixed. There will never be a system put in play that can ethically guarantee that only the guilty are executed. And as long as there is a non-zero chance that an innocent can be murdered by the government, I cannot be in favor. Oh I absolutely agree on this aspect. Our system is fucked. I speaking more in the academic sense here. No one should be executed while there is even a slight question of innocence. Which is why it should be reserved for those like McVeigh, Dylan Roof, James Holmes, and their ilk. --- Furthermore, The GOP is a Fascist Organization and must be destroyed <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:980387513] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>Compsognathus posted... </cite><quote>Because the system that would allow us to get rid of him is broken and results in the deaths of innocents.I understand that people think some individuals deserve to be executed. I frequently here about executions and hardly lose sleep over them, because it was very well established that they were a bad, unredeemable person. But the instrument that allows for executions to take place is broken. It kills innocent people. And that system can never be fixed. There will never be a system put in play that can ethically guarantee that only the guilty are executed. And as long as there is a non-zero chance that an innocent can be murdered by the government, I cannot be in favor.</quote>Oh I absolutely agree on this aspect. Our system is fucked. I speaking more in the academic sense here. No one should be executed while there is even a slight question of innocence. Which is why it should be reserved for those like McVeigh, Dylan Roof, James Holmes, and their ilk. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 05/14/24 8:58:44 AM #143:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Just saying, if the right to life can be forfeit, then it was never a right to begin with. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:980387518] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Just saying, if the right to life can be forfeit, then it was never a right to begin with. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 05/14/24 9:20:14 AM #145:	Beveren_Rabbit posted... I think it's less about "us" and more about the victim's family :) Should it be about the victim's family? Should they get a say in what happens? Do you not see any potential emotional conflicts of interest there? --- CyricZ He/him http://twitch.tv/cyricz42 <cite>CyricZ posted [p:980387741] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>Beveren_Rabbit posted... </cite><quote>I think it's less about "us" and more about the victim's family :)</quote>Should it be about the victim's family? Should they get a say in what happens?Do you not see any potential emotional conflicts of interest there? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Beveren_Rabbit 05/14/24 9:22:01 AM #146:	"They should be rehabilitated and be brought back to society to repay their debts" Every time these murderers come back they start a youtube channel and sometimes the money does go to charity, but none of the profits go to the victims' family. --- flops <cite>Beveren_Rabbit posted [p:980387764] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>"They should be rehabilitated and be brought back to society to repay their debts"Every time these murderers come back they start a youtube channel and sometimes the money does go to charity, but none of the profits go to the victims' family. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RetuenOfDevsman 05/14/24 9:26:55 AM #147:	Option 3. BTW, I'd like to see an itemization of the cost of death penalty. I wanna know exactly what makes it more expensive than literally housing and feeding a human being for 60 years. --- There's a difference between canon and not-stupid. <cite>RetuenOfDevsman posted [p:980387806] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>Option 3.BTW, I'd like to see an itemization of the cost of death penalty. I wanna know exactly what makes it more expensive than literally housing and feeding a human being for 60 years. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bfslick50 05/14/24 9:27:25 AM #148:	ScazarMeltex posted... Oh I absolutely agree on this aspect. Our system is f*ed. I speaking more in the academic sense here. No one should be executed while there is even a slight question of innocence. Which is why it should be reserved for those like McVeigh, Dylan Roof, James Holmes, and their ilk. The majority of innocent people executed were sent there by people that felt there was no doubt of their guilt. --- "Something's wrong! Murder isn't working and that's all we're good at." ~Futurama <cite>bfslick50 posted [p:980387813] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>ScazarMeltex posted... </cite><quote>Oh I absolutely agree on this aspect. Our system is f*ed. I speaking more in the academic sense here. No one should be executed while there is even a slight question of innocence. Which is why it should be reserved for those like McVeigh, Dylan Roof, James Holmes, and their ilk.</quote>The majority of innocent people executed were sent there by people that felt there was no doubt of their guilt. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Deegs 05/14/24 9:43:00 AM #149:	I don't really like it. I tend to believe in redemptive justice and I don't think that can happen, not fully anyway, if the end result is capital punishment. This is to say nothing about the fact that prisoners with a death sentence sometimes spend decades in jail anyway on appeals. In general I think life in prison without parole is what should be the highest level offense. --- The only people that can say what matters to gaming are those that buy and play them.-Ollie Barder, Forbes Contributor <cite>Deegs posted [p:980388007] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>I don't really like it. I tend to believe in redemptive justice and I don't think that can happen, not fully anyway, if the end result is capital punishment. This is to say nothing about the fact that prisoners with a death sentence sometimes spend decades in jail anyway on appeals. In general I think life in prison without parole is what should be the highest level offense. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
snake_5036 05/14/24 9:51:17 AM #150:	TheOtherMike posted... Second and third option. It's expensive, innocent people get executed, it doesn't act as a deterrent...and it's wrong. --- You felt your sins weighing on your neck. <cite>snake_5036 posted [p:980388148] in The Death ... [t:80768671]...</cite> <quote>TheOtherMike posted... </cite><quote>Second and third option. It's expensive, innocent people get executed, it doesn't act as a deterrent...and it's wrong.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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