Current Events > Ya see, the Wicked Witch of the West only became evil because of society

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VeggetaX
05/15/24 4:29:12 PM
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She was initially a good person but society wronged her so now she is just getting her revenge, that's all

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CyricZ
05/15/24 4:30:54 PM
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I hope you're not pretending that Wicked is a new concept.

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Irony
05/15/24 4:31:22 PM
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I forgot about this dumb shit

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DipDipDiver
05/15/24 4:34:04 PM
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I only saw one witch telling Dorothy to steal the shoes off a woman she just killed, and it wasn't the wicked witch of the west

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VeggetaX
05/15/24 4:35:08 PM
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CyricZ posted...
I hope you're not pretending that Wicked is a new concept.
The fact that I'm using the term society as it is means I'm more mocking this modern perspective of villains to make them look misunderstood and sympathetic. It's cringe to me but people eat it up. So no I know this isn't a new concept.

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MC_BatCommander
05/15/24 4:36:22 PM
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I'm surprised it took this long to make a movie

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masterpug53
05/15/24 4:39:36 PM
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VeggetaX posted...
society

Hey, that's the thing we live in!

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Hambo
05/15/24 4:42:19 PM
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Iirc in the book she wasn't ever evil. She had a brief career in terrorism for Animals' rights (as in, talking animals with the same mental capacity as humans), but by the time Dorothy showed up, she was just a recluse in a castle and she and Dorothy never even had beef with each other.

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VeggetaX
05/15/24 4:44:04 PM
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I wish they would make a Clayton backstory from Tarzan instead. Clayton prolly had to kill gorillas to sell in order to feed his family because of how harsh society was living in England 1912.

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refmon
05/15/24 5:53:26 PM
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I bet TC isnt a fan of Malcom X

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Seaman_Prime
05/15/24 6:06:33 PM
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VeggetaX posted...
I wish they would make a Clayton backstory from Tarzan instead. Clayton prolly had to kill gorillas to sell in order to feed his family because of how harsh society was living in England 1912.
No the gorillas chased his parents off a cliff and he swore revenge thereafter
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Turbam
05/15/24 6:07:41 PM
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The wicked witch be like "what the fuck you killed my sister" and the good witch be like "yeah lol, u ugly"

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VeggetaX
05/15/24 6:27:56 PM
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Seaman_Prime posted...
No the gorillas chased his parents off a cliff and he swore revenge thereafter
Too similar to Cruella. His tragic story that lead him to villainy must be different but the core issue has to be from "society".

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pegusus123456
05/15/24 6:32:22 PM
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CyricZ posted...
I hope you're not pretending that Wicked is a new concept.
I feel like Wicked was actually the first one.

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CyricZ
05/15/24 6:32:36 PM
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VeggetaX posted...
It's cringe to me but people eat it up.
Why?

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VeggetaX
05/15/24 6:39:34 PM
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The trope of telling the origin story of the villain to see from their perspective and rationalize their turn to evil is overdone. It's usually always "We live in a society" moment with it.

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VeggetaX
05/15/24 6:43:59 PM
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We live in a society

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Jiek_Fafn
05/15/24 6:44:27 PM
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The weirdest parts of Wicked involve the origin stories of the Cowardly Lion, Scarecrow and Axe Robot. The parts with Ephelba are actually not that bad.

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Cemith
05/15/24 7:10:50 PM
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She came down in a BUBBLE DOG.

GROW UP

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David1988
05/15/24 8:01:54 PM
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VeggetaX posted...
The trope of telling the origin story of the villain to see from their perspective and rationalize their turn to evil is overdone. It's usually always "We live in a society" moment with it.

Agreed, we dont take it easy on villains in real life and we shouldnt in fiction either. Imagine if someone tried to make Trump a sympathetic figure because of some bullshit like "we live in a society."

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CyricZ
05/15/24 8:28:38 PM
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What do you mean "we don't take it easy on villains in real life"?

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David1988
05/15/24 8:30:38 PM
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CyricZ posted...
What do you mean "we don't take it easy on villains in real life"?

Like we dont try to turn them into someone worthy of our sympathies, like Trump for instance who is obviously irl villain.

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nocturnal_traveler
05/15/24 8:35:56 PM
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So what is this topic alluding to? I don't recall people hating sympathetic villain origin stories until Disney started doing it.

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DrizztLink
05/15/24 8:48:24 PM
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David1988 posted...
Like we dont try to turn them into someone worthy of our sympathies
I'm pretty sure dozens, probably hundreds of movies, including one about Bernie fuckin' Madoff, would disagree.

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VeggetaX
05/15/24 9:09:37 PM
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nocturnal_traveler posted...
So what is this topic alluding to? I don't recall people hating sympathetic villain origin stories until Disney started doing it.
I'm not sure what you're asking since you answered your own question

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Hayame_Zero
05/15/24 9:11:23 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Yeah, this movie is part one. The second part comes out November of next year.

It's a profoundly stupid decision.

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CyricZ
05/15/24 9:13:07 PM
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Y'know I still got the funny suspicion that TC didn't know Wicked is 30 years old and is just trying to play it off.

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nocturnal_traveler
05/15/24 10:42:30 PM
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VeggetaX posted...
I'm not sure what you're asking since you answered your own question
So are you saying Disney caused the dislike of it?

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Toonstrack
05/15/24 10:50:43 PM
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David1988 posted...
Like we dont try to turn them into someone worthy of our sympathies, like Trump for instance who is obviously irl villain.

That's a very naive take. Media turns rral world villains sympathetic all the time.

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bigblu89
05/15/24 11:09:04 PM
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Hayame_Zero posted...
Yeah, this movie is part one. The second part comes out November of next year.

It's a profoundly stupid decision.
Supposedly it was done this way because the creator of the original Broadway show didnt want to leave anything out, and the musical is about 3 hours

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nocturnal_traveler
05/15/24 11:29:37 PM
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bigblu89 posted...
Supposedly it was done this way because the creator of the original Broadway show didnt want to leave anything out, and the musical is about 3 hours
Hopefully each movie is 90 minutes. I'm tired of 2.5 hour long movies.

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Shotgunnova
05/15/24 11:36:08 PM
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Seems kinda mediocre, although I do like:

  • Jeff Goldblum
  • more light being shined on the Oz franchise

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Anteaterking
05/15/24 11:54:54 PM
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I always disliked Wicked as a kid because my great grandma had a ton of the Wizard of Oz Expanded Universe books where they built up quite a little universe of characters and things which we voraciously read and now Wicked is taken as the "true" backstory instead of the rest of it.


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bigblu89
05/16/24 7:32:48 AM
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nocturnal_traveler posted...
Hopefully each movie is 90 minutes. I'm tired of 2.5 hour long movies.
Zero chance.

Theyre not going to break the story into two parts only to have each movie be 90 minutes.

Theyll expand the story enough that each movie is 2 hours

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rexcrk
05/16/24 7:34:27 AM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/55360955.jpg

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lolife67
05/16/24 7:47:16 AM
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DipDipDiver posted...
I only saw one witch telling Dorothy to steal the shoes off a woman she just killed, and it wasn't the wicked witch of the west
Exactly. This strange woman just killed her sister and stole her property then refused to give it back to her next if kin. And, to make matters worse, the murderer then agrees to try and assassinate her next if kin.
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Cheater87
05/16/24 7:50:35 AM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
I'm surprised it took this long to make a movie

Wicked came out like 20 years ago, this is a long time to wait to adapt it into a movie.

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LeoRavus
05/16/24 7:50:38 AM
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lolife67 posted...
Exactly. This strange woman just killed her sister and stole her property then refused to give it back to her next if kin. And, to make matters worse, the murderer then agrees to try and assassinate her next if kin.

Dorothy didn't steal the shoes. Glinda put them on her without permission and told her not to take them off. She also had no control over where the tornado dropped the house and her mission was to see the wizard and go home, not kill the other witch.

Maybe the book was different.

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WingsOfGood
05/16/24 7:50:43 AM
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So what made Society evil? Did a bigger multiversal society bully society so that it bullied the witch?

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DipDipDiver
05/16/24 10:40:07 AM
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Anteaterking posted...
my great grandma had a ton of the Wizard of Oz Expanded Universe books
TIL

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lolife67
05/16/24 10:48:34 AM
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LeoRavus posted...
Dorothy didn't steal the shoes. Glinda put them on her without permission and told her not to take them off. She also had no control over where the tornado dropped the house and her mission was to see the wizard and go home, not kill the other witch.

Maybe the book was different.
Dorothy had the choice to take them off or not. Glinda didn't force her too. She knew they belonged to the WWotW's sister and weren't hers, so why keep them? If she was truly remorseful, the very least she could do is return her sister's property.
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bigblu89
05/16/24 11:00:41 AM
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Cheater87 posted...
Wicked came out like 20 years ago, this is a long time to wait to adapt it into a movie.

The rights to make it onto a movie were bought in 2010, it just went through a few hands before it finally went into production in 2021.

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Cory898
05/16/24 11:08:43 AM
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Is this an adaptation of the musical or the book. Guessing if its 2 parts its not the musical.

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CyricZ
05/16/24 11:14:13 AM
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Cory898 posted...
Is this an adaptation of the musical or the book. Guessing if its 2 parts its not the musical.
I'm thinking the book because it's the music is soundtrack, not characters singing.

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LeoRavus
05/16/24 11:21:01 AM
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lolife67 posted...
Dorothy had the choice to take them off or not. Glinda didn't force her too. She knew they belonged to the WWotW's sister and weren't hers, so why keep them? If she was truly remorseful, the very least she could do is return her sister's property.

Witch of the west said they wouldn't come off as long as Dorothy was alive and she got zapped when Dorothy told her to take them. So she tried to give up the shoes and couldn't.

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lolife67
05/16/24 11:22:51 AM
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LeoRavus posted...
Witch of the west said they wouldn't come off as long as Dorothy was alive and she got zapped when Dorothy told her to take them. So she tried to give up the shoes and couldn't.
No. Glenda told Dorothy not to take them off. She was always free to give them of her own volition. They just couldn't be taken by force.
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LeoRavus
05/16/24 11:29:24 AM
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lolife67 posted...
No. Glenda told Dorothy not to take them off. She was always free to give them of her own volition. They just couldn't be taken by force.

Glinda knew they wouldn't come off unless she was dead, but she didn't want to tell Dorothy that and make her freak about being stuck in the shoes with no way to wash her feet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdeLkCkdf5Y

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Blue_Target
05/16/24 11:39:40 AM
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I saw the broadway a while back and it was good stuff. A nice alternative take on the Oz story. I was surprised at Scarecrow's and Wicked Witch's romance.

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