Current Events > I am anti-nft, however isn't Gacha literally just an nft?

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You spend hundreds to get some digital item you don't own. Other people can mod their game and have it without paying just like copy pasting an nft picture.

Yet somehow gacha actually have many people excited to buy.

Is the difference you can play with it a little more? But you don't need it to play either.

This extends to live service too.

As awful as gacha is it has a better case at a reason d etre or however you spell it than an NFT. At least you can play with it. It's still overcaptializing the industry and should be banned but it's not the bottom of the grift barrel that NFT's are.

GiftedACIII posted...

This extends to live service too.

Are you referring to a $10 pay to play?

Gacha is far worse than that. Gacha is like they want a super duper rare skin and have to spend $300 on lootbox to get it, use it for a day then let it collect dust in their digital collection that will shutdown forever in a few years.

Even something like skins for League was at least a promise that you supported the company to fix bugs and do balance patches. What does it do in gacha? Let them develop a rarer chase?

It is literally not a NFT.

No defense of gacha games, you just seem to misunderstand one of those two definitions.

Gacha is more like slot machines with some gameplay mechanics in games that uses them. Nfts are more like AI generated garbage.

Not only can you derive more enjoyment out of it, you can absolutely make content off of it.

Being a Genshin/Honkai content creator or leaker was especially lucrative. Past tense because theyve been cracking down on the latter, and Im not sure theres much demand for the former at the moment.

BDSMKane posted...

It is literally not a NFT.

No defense of gacha games, you just seem to misunderstand one of those two definitions.

So if I can load up my Bored Ape into Fortnite and it gives me a crummy skin does it cease being an NFT? Like what is the distinction?

WingsOfGood posted...

Are you referring to a $10 pay to play?

Gacha is far worse than that. Gacha is like they want a super duper rare skin and have to spend $300 on lootbox to get it, use it for a day then let it collect dust in their digital collection that will shutdown forever in a few years.

Even something like skins for League was at least a promise that you supported the company to fix bugs and do balance patches. What does it do in gacha? Let them develop a rarer chase?

I'm referring to the paying for digital content you don't own and will eventually completely shut down and lose everything. I mean, you are aware that Gacha games have gameplay and unique content as well right? A lot less of course but it obviously isn't just paying for jpgs. Stuff like Pokemon Go, Fire Emblem Heroes, and Genshin Impact are gachas.

NFTs won't enhance your ownership because
1) The image itself is still stored off the blockchain, so you have to hope whoever is actually hosting the image is still hosting it.
and
2) The game itself has to support that NFT. How a game uses that data (if it uses it at all) is up to the game developers and they'd have to program that functionality in. If it's some generic implementation then you'll have broader support but a likely more dull game since items won't be unique but rather treated as a set of stats, not to mention balance issues. So developers would have to be more explicit in their support.

Cynrascal posted...

Gacha is more like slot machines with some gameplay mechanics in games that uses them. Nfts are more like AI generated garbage.

Slot machines give money.
So what would gacha give?
That is where I am trying to get it. Seems a slot machine that hands out what is basically an NFT that can be used in gameplay a bit. But mostly the gacha person justs wants to collect it.
But unlike nft they can't even sell it....just collect it.

They are similar in that I hate both and have no respect for people who buy into it.

GiftedACIII posted...

I'm referring to the paying for digital content you don't own and will eventually completely shut down and lose everything

I agree here. The part I don't get is in gacha you collect.
It isn't like you get some SSR and are good. People keep seeking just to collect. That is the NFT aspect.

And folks go out of their way to use characters and build team compositions based off game meta. To some, it goes beyond collecting. A trip to the Fire Emblem Heroes board would show that.

WingsOfGood posted...

So if I can load up my Bored Ape into Fortnite and it gives me a crummy skin does it cease being an NFT? Like what is the distinction?

The distinction is that an NFT is a particular security technique and not just paying money for a license for digital goods.

WingsOfGood posted...

Slot machines give money.
So what would gacha give?
That is where I am trying to get it. Seems a slot machine that hands out what is basically an NFT that can be used in gameplay a bit. But mostly the gacha person justs wants to collect it.
But unlike nft they can't even sell it....just collect it. I agree here. The part I don't get is in gacha you collect.
It isn't like you get some SSR and are good. People keep seeking just to collect. That is the NFT aspect.

I think you're only looking at a very specific aspect of Gachas. Gacha games give the game. It's the same thing as Live Service. The things that are paid for are microtransactions to make the game easier with new weapons or characters/exclusive content which many live service games also do. It's certainly scammy and hypercapitalistic but it's clearly much more than an NFT. There is an essence in collecting but that's like calling any collectathon NFTs.

In what way are they remotely close aside from being digital "content"? NFTs are scams, but they're also a lot more than just digital content.

Difference is, sometimes gacha bullshit does something in the game that you blew money on. Granted, that's damning it by faint praise, but that's still better than the completely useless NFT crap.

The value of gachas content is determined mostly by the games popularity and enjoyment.

Which is why the cards in a game like master duel are so valuable to players. These are advantages nfts dont have since their just low effort pics apart of no game or community hyped up by randos to inflate its price, sell and make a quick buck.

SpawnShadow posted...

Difference is, sometimes gacha bullshit does something in the game that you blew money on. Granted, that's damning it by faint praise, but that's still better than the completely useless NFT crap.

No, the difference is that it's literally not the same thing.

Like a movie and a Blu-ray. Some movies have been distributed by Blu-ray, but then again so have some video games, and probably someone has used one to send a photo of their grandchildren to someone. And DVDs have been used the same ways.

Likewise, nft is a means of distribution that was once used for an ugly picture of monkies but it's not the only way to distribute pictures of monkies, nor are pictures of monkies the only think they can be used to distribute.