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Tyranthraxus
05/21/24 5:09:59 PM
#101:


bigblu89 posted...
First off, that wasn't me that said it

Ah right. Sorry for the mix up.

bigblu89 posted...
And second, that guy was (most likely) saying it as a joke

This, however, I doubt.

Ivany2008 posted...
And your right, and if I were talking about that, you would be right. But specifically I'm talking Atlantic/Arctic/Antarctic.

Ok and I was talking about overfishing globally, you know, since this is an "everyone" deal and not just "people in the frozen ends of the earth"

Sharks that predominantly eat seals can be found literally everywhere except for the ass end of the poles. Great for the ~500,000 seals that live in Antarctica and presumably a similar number in the North. Again these seals do not contribute to overfishing at the same magnitude as humans. You do not even need to stop humans from fishing, you just need need to stop them from overfishing. Anti-overfishing regulations have permitted seafood industries to thrive while vastly repairing marine life population. Seals have almost nothing to do with it. Seals have been there for millennia. Overfishing is comparatively a very recent problem and just like every other environmental disaster we did it to ourselves.

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Marmitecashews
05/21/24 5:42:10 PM
#102:


Plot twist: everybody suddenly going vegan causes the $50 billion to become worthless.

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eggcorn
05/21/24 6:08:30 PM
#103:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Yes. Guess how much fructose is in corn syrup.
How'd you go from "You can't get HFCS from literal corn." to "how much fructose is in Corn Syrup?"


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Tyranthraxus
05/21/24 6:15:46 PM
#104:


eggcorn posted...
How'd you go from "You can't get HFCS from literal corn." to "how much fructose is in Corn Syrup?"

Because while you can't get HFCS from literal corn, you can get normal corn syrup from regular corn. Clearly you just didn't know there was a difference or what HFCS actually is & where it comes from but it's ok. No big deal.

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eggcorn
05/21/24 6:18:54 PM
#105:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Because while you can't get HFCS from literal corn, you can get normal corn syrup from regular corn. Clearly you just didn't know there was a difference or what HFCS actually is & where it comes from but it's ok. No big deal.
Here buddy
HFCS is derived from corn starch. Starch itself is a chain of glucose (a simple sugar) molecules joined together.
When corn starch is broken down into individual glucose molecules, the end product is corn syrup, which is essentially 100% glucose.

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Tyranthraxus
05/21/24 6:20:10 PM
#106:


eggcorn posted...
Here buddy
HFCS is derived from corn starch. Starch itself is a chain of glucose (a simple sugar) molecules joined together.
When corn starch is broken down into individual glucose molecules, the end product is corn syrup, which is essentially 100% glucose.

What does the F stand for in HFCS and how much of it is in a solution that is composed of 100% glucose?

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eggcorn
05/21/24 6:23:40 PM
#107:


Tyranthraxus posted...
What does the F stand for in HFCS and how much of it is in a solution that is composed of 100% glucose?
Here buddy
To make HFCS, enzymes are added to corn syrup in order to convert some of the glucose to another simple sugar called fructose, also called fruit sugar because it occurs naturally in fruits and berries.
HFCS is high in fructose compared to the pure glucose that is in corn syrup. Different formulations of HFCS contain different amounts of fructose.

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BDSMKane
05/21/24 6:24:11 PM
#108:


Please stop. Its not that I dont know what you two are even arguing about anymoreits that I dont think you know either.

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Tyranthraxus
05/21/24 6:29:59 PM
#109:


AI answers are so lame.

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eggcorn
05/21/24 9:59:52 PM
#110:


Tyranthraxus posted...
AI answers are so lame.
FDAi

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Giant_Aspirin
05/23/24 9:38:44 AM
#111:


eggcorn posted...
Not to mention the strain to come up with enough crops to sustain all of the new vegans.

it blows my mind that people still think this is some argument against going vegan. what do you think we feed animals before we turn them into food? on average, it takes 10 pounds of food to produce 1 pound of meat. for beef, this rises to 16 lbs. instead of dedicating the vast majority of our farmland to producing food for our future food, we could produce food for ourselves with a significantly fewer amount of resources.

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bigblu89
05/23/24 9:46:47 AM
#112:


Giant_Aspirin posted...
it blows my mind that people still think this is some argument against going vegan. what do you think we feed animals before we turn them into food? on average, it takes 10 pounds of food to produce 1 pound of meat. for beef, this rises to 16 lbs. instead of dedicating the vast majority of our farmland to producing food for our future food, we could produce food for ourselves with a significantly fewer amount of resources.

Yeah, this isn't as much of an argument as it would be to figure out how to handle the instant change of producing billions of pounds of meat for consumption to producing billions of pounds of vegan food options, as the processes are vastly different.

Could a gradual move towards a world that is 100% vegan (at least food wise, because there are certain products, such as medicine, that require animal biproducts like gelatin) absolutely.

Could we make a "light switch" change to Veganism tomorrow? Absolutely not.

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Giant_Aspirin
05/23/24 9:52:01 AM
#113:


sure. but i thought we established the implementation details aren't relevant to the question at hand. let's just pretend the transition is possible with minimal negative impact in our lovely hypothetical scenario here

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bigblu89
05/23/24 9:55:56 AM
#114:


Giant_Aspirin posted...
sure. but i thought we established the implementation details aren't relevant to the question at hand. let's just pretend the transition is possible with minimal negative impact in our lovely hypothetical scenario here

Maybe, but when OP says nothing but "No one will be allowed to eat any kind of meat ever again." I read that to be an instant switch.

Never mind the fact that "going Vegan" entails a lot more than just not eating meat.


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BucketCat
05/23/24 10:16:05 AM
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no. there is no amount of money you can pay me to go vegan. livestock are far too useful for a lot of things besides meat.

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bigblu89
05/23/24 10:22:44 AM
#116:


BucketCat posted...
no. there is no amount of money you can pay me to go vegan. livestock are far too useful for a lot of things besides meat.

Yeah. Kinda what I've been saying this whole time.

The world going Vegetarian? Maybe. The world going Vegan would probably be impossible.

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Anony1125
05/23/24 10:51:34 AM
#117:


aren't we running out of topsoil as it is?
wouldn't that be a problem?

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Giant_Aspirin
05/23/24 10:54:00 AM
#118:


Anony1125 posted...
aren't we running out of topsoil as it is?
wouldn't that be a problem?

Giant_Aspirin posted...
it blows my mind that people still think this is some argument against going vegan. what do you think we feed animals before we turn them into food? on average, it takes 10 pounds of food to produce 1 pound of meat. for beef, this rises to 16 lbs. instead of dedicating the vast majority of our farmland to producing food for our future food, we could produce food for ourselves with a significantly fewer amount of resources.



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Sun_Xiao
05/23/24 10:54:11 AM
#119:


I'll never support Vegan ,so it's big NO for me.
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Anony1125
05/23/24 10:56:29 AM
#120:


Giant_Aspirin posted...


Ah, I wasn't really making an argument. But I apologize if my ignorance exasperates you.

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Giant_Aspirin
05/23/24 10:59:02 AM
#121:


you don't need to apologize, but thank you. our society has been fed meat and dairy propaganda since forever.

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ironman2009
05/23/24 10:59:12 AM
#122:


No way

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BucketCat
05/23/24 11:20:18 AM
#123:


Giant_Aspirin posted...

livestock do more than just eat crops. what about rotating crops? good luck doing that without animal byproduct. cover crops are simply not enough and compost from just plant matter (browns and greens) takes YEARS

now, a factory livestock farm? yes. those cause more harm than good. but you're mistaken to think that it's an across the board negative having livestock that is raised for meat.

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Giant_Aspirin
05/23/24 11:30:39 AM
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my main reason for going vegan is to prevent unnecessary harm to innocent creatures. we don't need meat or animal products to enjoy tasty, healthy food, so i don't do it. you'll find that most vegans accept that some harm to animals is necessary and justified (testing drugs before doing it on humans, culling wild populations to save the herd, etc). we just don't believe that pleasing our taste buds is a good enough reason.

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bigblu89
05/23/24 11:33:20 AM
#125:


Giant_Aspirin posted...
my main reason for going vegan is to prevent unnecessary harm to innocent creatures. we don't need meat or animal products to enjoy tasty, healthy food, so i don't do it. you'll find that most vegans accept that some harm to animals is necessary and justified (testing drugs before doing it on humans, culling wild populations to save the herd, etc). we just don't believe that pleasing our taste buds is a good enough reason.

This is actually a calm, rational take on this situation. Which is a rarity on here.

Acknowledging theres no hard and fast solution, and than your lifestyle doesnt have to be THE lifestyle.

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Kimberly
05/23/24 11:34:56 AM
#126:


I thought polls like this were supposed to be hard choices?

I get 50 billion, am forced to make a change that's better for my health anyway, and battery farming industries are closed down by an immediate and total destruction of their demand?

...Where's the downside? If I still crave meat, I have 50 billion fuckin' dollars. I can pay for whatever insane additive I want that replicates a meat flavor and texture.

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Giant_Aspirin
05/23/24 11:38:39 AM
#127:


bigblu89 posted...
This is actually a calm, rational take on this situation. Which is a rarity on here.

Acknowledging theres no hard and fast solution, and than your lifestyle doesnt have to be THE lifestyle.

Applause

right back at ya

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TheLiarParadox
05/24/24 8:50:48 PM
#128:


There's no downside to this.

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ROB45
05/24/24 9:00:47 PM
#129:


So doom the world for money that will be worthless in time? Probably not.
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neccis
05/25/24 11:02:52 AM
#130:


ROB45 posted...
So doom the world for money that will be worthless in time? Probably not.
The world is more than people and their trash trail you know

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ROB45
05/25/24 1:16:39 PM
#131:


neccis posted...
The world is more than people and their trash trail you know
The agriculture is simply not there for everyone to be vegan all at once. Furthermore, many people and countries depend on export of meat and fish to be sustainable. Simply put, many countries economy would collapse and there would be a global starvation issue.
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TheLiarParadox
05/25/24 7:15:37 PM
#132:


ROB45 posted...
The agriculture is simply not there for everyone to be vegan all at once.
Tbf it's also simply not there for our current level of meat consumption.

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Paragon21XX
05/25/24 7:29:18 PM
#133:


Giant_Aspirin posted...
since we're on the subject, i'm going to drop a video below that made me adjust my lifestyle. i think we should all be aware of the true cost of our food.

warning, graphic and disturbing treatment of animals found within

https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch
Cool, a shitty animal rights propaganda video with cherry-picked "evidence" to trick people into veganism.

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eggcorn
05/25/24 11:56:17 PM
#134:


ROB45 posted...
The agriculture is simply not there for everyone to be vegan all at once. Furthermore, many people and countries depend on export of meat and fish to be sustainable. Simply put, many countries economy would collapse and there would be a global starvation issue.
guys we can just eat corn and grain like livestock.

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