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creativerealms posted...

The game with a trans leftist YouTuber as one of the voice actors is somehow anti-woke.

I just saw a comment on facebook. A big rant on how BG3 was succesful because it was not woke and focused on being a fun game instead of "pushing an agenda"

lolife67 posted...

They're doing this with X-Men '97 now. This is after months of railing about how "woke" it was due to Morph being non-binary and Rogue's butt smh

You know what I hate the most about their tantrum? It's that the women actually show more skin than the OG in a lot of scenes, Rogue's asset also magically changed size all the time in the OG and well...https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/6efd6361.jpg

epik_fail1 posted...

You know what I hate the most about their tantrum? It's that the women actually show more skin than the OG in a lot of scenes, Rogue's asset also magically changed size all the time in the OG and well...https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/6efd6361.jpg

Has Quartering made any X-Men 97 videos after the show came out?

creativerealms posted...

Captain Marvel was a HUGE hit. The Marvels flopped but that's due to people being burned out by the MCU all together. Same with She-Hulk. Really

Neither were even woke.

I'll have to be honest. I didn't hate captain Marvel, but I just didn't particularly cared about the character.

Also I feel like the live actions movies often forget the social aspect of the x men and focus too much on being generic action movies.

I would 100% go see a movie about Storm or Rogue though...

creativerealms posted...

Has Quartering made any X-Men 97 videos after the show came out?

Nope

Lonestar2000 posted...

Because it had a female lead.

To be fair, the whole "Hero" advertisement for it was kind of cringe, but it did make billions of dollars at the BO so whatever makes money, which is the primary reason for the DEI stuff.

"if it ain't broke, don't woke it"

epik_fail1 posted...

Also I feel like the MCU often forget the social aspect of the x men and focus too much on being generic action movies.

The MCU hasn't made an X-Men film yet.

lolife67 posted...

The MCU hasn't made an X-Men film yet.

I wanted to say live action movies. Brain fart sorry

They have this fascinating way of moving the goalposts around and redefining things so that games that would traditionally be considered super "woke" aren't when they do extremely well.

Baldurs Gate, literally "frantic bi energy" the game, is "not woke" because *checks notes* "it doesn't jam that in our face". Or something. It is tiresome and stupid and I wish all vapid culture war grifters that talk about games a very fast trip directly into the sun

ssjevot posted...

Weren't they saying the Mario movie was woke because Peach teaches Mario and then once it became the top grossing non-Disney animated movie they tried to claim it's anti-woke?

I think technically they were saying it was woke because Peach is a strong independent woman and not some helpless damsel in distress too incompetent for her own good, which is how people who would call a strong Peach woke view women.

@Aztex

were still waiting on you to define wokeness.

They think screaming something at the top of their lungs loud enough will make it true

Kradek posted...

I think technically they were saying it was woke because Peach is a strong independent woman and not some helpless damsel in distress too incompetent for her own good, which is how people who would call a strong Peach woke view women.

They also hated her clothes because it was the one from Mario Kart instead of just being a frilly dress.

ellis123 posted...

They also hated her clothes because it was the one from Mario Kart instead of just being a frilly dress.

She still wore the dress though lol.

These people (not you) are just looking for any reason to take a rage dump.

It's sad how pathetic they are.

Or rather it would be if they weren't so insufferably annoying.

Voidgolem posted...

They have this fascinating way of moving the goalposts around and redefining things so that games that would traditionally be considered super "woke" aren't when they do extremely well.

Baldurs Gate, literally "frantic bi energy" the game, is "not woke" because *checks notes* "it doesn't jam that in our face". Or something. It is tiresome and stupid and I wish all vapid culture war grifters that talk about games a very fast trip directly into the sun

I doubt a lot of people say that because BioWare has had a liberal reputation at least since Mass Effect and Dragon Age. If the usual suspects like BG3 its probably more like, The libs did a good job that time.

Kinda like how a lot of people like Disco Elysium across the spectrum and that game was written by literal communists.

creativerealms posted...

Captain Marvel was a HUGE hit. The Marvels flopped but that's due to people being burned out by the MCU all together. Same with She-Hulk. Really

Neither were even woke.

Im not sure I agree about She-Hulk, it definitely had those moments of pushing a narrative thats against the white man status quo, which is usually when it gets labeled woke. It even had an actual fight representative of that fact She-Hulk versus Hulk. I literally learned new political correctness from the show, as I tended to always prefer the term male and female to man and woman, and had no clue anyone was uncomfortable with those words.

Youre right about Captain Marvel though.

creativerealms posted...

Captain Marvel was a HUGE hit. The Marvels flopped but that's due to people being burned out by the MCU all together. Same with She-Hulk. Really

Neither were even woke.

No they were woke
Don't let bigots sully the word
Being woke is just being basic decency
Yes those films are woke because they have female leads who don't exist as far material

To he woke is to he a decent person
People who use woke as a negative are just not good people and hate anyone who is

Voidgolem posted...

They have this fascinating way of moving the goalposts around and redefining things so that games that would traditionally be considered super "woke" aren't when they do extremely well.

Baldurs Gate, literally "frantic bi energy" the game, is "not woke" because *checks notes* "it doesn't jam that in our face". Or something. It is tiresome and stupid and I wish all vapid culture war grifters that talk about games a very fast trip directly into the sun

The funny thing is bg3 kinda "shove it in our face" because characters randomly started flirting with me lol

Kradek posted...

She still wore the dress though lol.

These people (not you) are just looking for any reason to take a rage dump.

It's sad how pathetic they are.

Or rather it would be if they weren't so insufferably annoying.

Oh, I know. It's just an important to point out just how sad and pathetic people are who actually believe this kind of garbage. That something as benign as using a costume that she has worn for over a decade is able to get such tears from them is just the highlight about how much of a baby that they are.

Fenriswolf posted...

LOL you mean Baldur's Gate 3 being one of the most acclaimed and successful game of 2023 and is full of LGBT romances?

To be fair both sides love this game, because while those do all exist, the game also has no issue with the player doing awful things to those characters, and depending on your party will even encourage it. Hell even story wise there are options to lead most of them to absolutely brutal fates. So everyone kinda gets what they want.

Voidgolem posted...

They have this fascinating way of moving the goalposts around and redefining things so that games that would traditionally be considered super "woke" aren't when they do extremely well.

Baldurs Gate, literally "frantic bi energy" the game, is "not woke" because *checks notes* "it doesn't jam that in our face". Or something. It is tiresome and stupid and I wish all vapid culture war grifters that talk about games a very fast trip directly into the sun

I can sometimes understand the complaints, with examples in my She-Hulk comments. An example I use is that one horrible moment in Endgame that was just unnecessary and completely forced.

But then when people complain because the movie is about a woman, or a black man, or a black woman, or whatever elsebut the whole movie plays out naturally without ever feeling like a moment was shoved in just to appease a particular audience, and you realize the complaints are ridiculous. Eternals managed to have a diverse cast without ever once feeling like they were just checking boxes. The movie was still mediocre, but anyone calling it woke is just incredibly intolerant.

creativerealms posted...

Captain Marvel was a HUGE hit. The Marvels flopped but that's due to people being burned out by the MCU all together. Same with She-Hulk. Really

Neither were even woke.

The Marvels flopped because it was a bad movie that focused too heavily on a cringey new hero.

Captain Marvel was a solid flick that felt like an homage to Phase 1, but was also supported by Endgame releasing shortly after.

yusiko posted...

No they were woke
Don't let bigots sully the word
Being woke is just being basic decency
Yes those films are woke because they have female leads who don't exist as far material

To he woke is to he a decent person
People who use woke as a negative are just not good people and hate anyone who is

And really there is more of it before the 2010s or 2000s.

Easily a prime example is Captain America punching Hitler. It was used as an attention getter on the cover to Captain America Comics #1.

It was a real and specific figure (i.e. People will claim Anti-Trump material is acceptable if Trump himself isn't shown specifically like say the late 80s Superman comics VS S3 of Young Justice) in a less flattering fashion.

And it was telling the audience that Nazis need to be punched rather than reached out to.

Yet people claim it (A Nazi being punched) was subtle, not relied on for money and nuanced.

LonelyStoner posted...

The Marvels flopped because it was a bad movie that focused too heavily on a cringey new hero.

Captain Marvel was a solid flick that felt like an homage to Phase 1, but was also supported by Endgame releasing shortly after.

Whoa, you dont mean Ms. Marvel, do you? I think shes the best addition since Endgame, good actress and on screen charisma.

LonelyStoner posted...

The Marvels flopped because it was a bad movie that focused too heavily on a cringey new hero.

Captain Marvel was a solid flick that felt like an homage to Phase 1, but was also supported by Endgame releasing shortly after.

No one watched The Marvels in Theaters however one common reaction I saw when it hit streaming was people being surprised it was actually good.

creativerealms posted...

No one watched The Marvels in Theaters however one common reaction I saw when it hit streaming was people being surprised it was actually good.

I watched the Marvels in theaters and enjoyed it. Yes, I thought it was good.

I did feel like you miss out on references/knowledge about the non Captain Marvel marvels if you hadn't seen the Disney+ shows, however it was rather minor and something quickly gotten over.

ellis123 posted...

Oh, I know. It's just an important to point out just how sad and pathetic people are who actually believe this kind of garbage. That something as benign as using a costume that she has worn for over a decade is able to get such tears from them is just the highlight about how much of a baby that they are.

Indeed.

I could die happy if I never heard the term woke again. Such a meaningless, idiotic word

BDSMKane posted...

I can sometimes understand the complaints, with examples in my She-Hulk comments. An example I use is that one horrible moment in Endgame that was just unnecessary and completely forced.

But then when people complain because the movie is about a woman, or a black man, or a black woman, or whatever elsebut the whole movie plays out naturally without ever feeling like a moment was shoved in just to appease a particular audience, and you realize the complaints are ridiculous. Eternals managed to have a diverse cast without ever once feeling like they were just checking boxes. The movie was still mediocre, but anyone calling it woke is just incredibly intolerant.

Just out of curiosity.

When I played Bayonetta 3.

Bayonetta's relationship felt incredibly forced and yet grifters universally praised her being in a heteronormative relationship

Yeah, sometimes the "Go Woke Go Broke" crowd will concede crappiness to be a constant part of entertainment, but even then claiming that every crap before say 2016 was all at least tolerable.

Doubtful, but even then, if GWGB was really about quality, you'd think one using the phrase wouldn't be so willing to grade on a curve, even if something is politically acceptable to them.

epik_fail1 posted...

Just out of curiosity.

When I played Bayonetta 3.

Bayonetta's relationship felt incredibly forced and yet grifters universally praised her being in a heteronormative relationship

I honestly never played it, but I get what you mean. If its inline with the status quo, but still feels forced, does it get the same criticism? The simple answer is no, because the mainstream culture is adjusted to it. Its not fair by any stretch, and an example I could give would be the original romance in Eternals. Zero chemistry, completely forced, but the only complaints I saw were some on the Movies board upset about a conspiracy; not sure how many different users, I just remember the basic premise.

BDSMKane posted...

I honestly never played it, but I get what you mean. If its inline with the status quo, but still feels forced, does it get the same criticism? The simple answer is no, because the mainstream culture is adjusted to it. Its not fair by any stretch, and an example I could give would be the original romance in Eternals. Zero chemistry, completely forced, but the only complaints I saw were some on the Movies board upset about a conspiracy; not sure how many different users, I just remember the basic premise.

Speaking of such, one of my favorite examples of Marvel screwing up Pre-2016 or Pre-2010s is the Spider-Man story One More Day.

Even if Anti-Woke people concede it is bad some insist it's still tolerable than any diversity based decision in comics. Yeah story which even if undone has been kept in place for a decade and then some, further infantized Spider-Man and had him making a very unheroic choice is seen as the good old days to some.

Isn't that just a meme? No one seriously thinks this is a thing.

They said this about the Saints Row reboot, and then the studio went under or something?

ROB45 posted...

Isn't that just a meme? No one seriously thinks this is a thing.

Nope. People who do complain about Woke stuff do use the phrase.

LoveLikeJazz posted...

They said this about the Saints Row reboot, and then the studio went under or something?

Everything about that game sucks. Don't think wokeness was it's only problem.

LoveLikeJazz posted...

They said this about the Saints Row reboot, and then the studio went under or something?

It failed because it was a bad game. Not because it was woke.

Quality matters not some indescribable term like "woke."

I remember chuds applying it to pretty much anything regardless of what was actually happening cause they live in a world of delusion

LoveLikeJazz posted...

They said this about the Saints Row reboot, and then the studio went under or something?

They also said this about Mortal Kombat 11, but then that went on to becoming the highest selling Mortal Kombat game ever. Not sure if Mortal Kombat 1 topped it.

I started off broke, so nowhere to go but up!

creativerealms posted...

No one watched The Marvels in Theaters however one common reaction I saw when it hit streaming was people being surprised it was actually good.

Yeah, I liked it more than Captain Marvel. lol

ROB45 posted...

Isn't that just a meme? No one seriously thinks this is a thing.

Multiple ITT clearly do and right-wingers absolutely believe it.

There are also those who say it ironically when those people claim a company will go broke because it "went woke" and it didn't turn out like that.

Kradek posted...

Multiple ITT clearly do and right-wingers absolutely believe it.

There are also those who say it ironically when those people claim a company will go broke because it "went woke" and it didn't turn out like that.

I wonder why it's a more recent thing, in that case. There were plenty of games from 15 years ago that today would be classified as "woke".

ROB45 posted...

I wonder why it's a more recent thing, in that case. There were plenty of games from 15 years ago that today would be classified as "woke".

Because right-wingers come up with new euphemisms for racist & bigoted terms and woke was the current flavor until DEI came along, which they're trying to make it.

"Stay woke" is actually a term whose first usage is seen in 1923 and became popular in the 1960s when the black populace would tell each other to "stay woke" when going through the South due to its racist and murderous tendencies towards them.

Right-wingers appropriated the term to complain about black people being in movies, games, positions of power, jobs, etc. and it eventually spread to include women and the LGBTQ community. When they talk about "woke policies doing x" they're saying "it's the reason those people are here/being represented".

It's just a way for them to be bigoted without dropping n or f bombs.

ROB45 posted...

I wonder why it's a more recent thing, in that case. There were plenty of games from 15 years ago that today would be classified as "woke".

That was prior to a black man becoming POTUS. But even back in the day, they've ALWAYS appropriated positive words and twisted them, i.e. "PC" and "SJW". As Kradek says above, it's now"woke" and "DEI." Bigots are nothing if not consistent.

lolife67 posted...

That was prior to a black man becoming POTUS. But even back in the day, they've ALWAYS appropriated positive words and twisted them, i.e. "PC" and "SJW". As Kradek says above, it's now"woke" and "DEI." Bigots are nothing if not consistent.

It's also kind of a "Everything was better in my day" where even the flaws of then are acknowledged, it's romanticized as not being a big deal.

Heck just look Star Wars. You would think people critical of crap and not liking the Disney era films would at least acknowledge the panned Prequels.

But nope. Not even tolerable crap, but unsung masterpieces.

creativerealms posted...

Captain Marvel was a HUGE hit. The Marvels flopped but that's due to people being burned out by the MCU all together. Same with She-Hulk. Really

Neither were even woke.

Captain Marvel was placed between the last 2 Avengers movies and people were told that they would have to watch it because you would need to know something on Captain Marvel to watch Endgame. If this wasn't the case no one would care about it.

She-Hulk no one cares about if everyone was burned down from Marvel then Ant-man, Guardians, Black Panther 2 wouldn't have made any profit. The only ones that performed bad and were those two. Even the Guardians Christmas special did well.

To those telling me to define woke you can do that yourself I would like to add that Tiktok went woke and it's on its way to being broke

Aztex posted...

To those telling me to define woke you can do that yourself I would like to add that Tiktok went woke and it's on its way to being broke

LMAO predictable.

@Aztex

Captain Marvel was placed between the last 2 Avengers movies and people were told that they would have to watch it because you would need to know something on Captain Marvel to watch Endgame. If this wasn't the case no one would care about it.

She-Hulk no one cares about if everyone was burned down from Marvel then Ant-man, Guardians, Black Panther 2 wouldn't have made any profit. The only ones that performed bad and were those two. Even the Guardians Christmas special did well.

To those telling me to define woke you can do that yourself I would like to add that Tiktok went woke and it's on its way to being broke

So all of those older comic companies like Hamilton, Gold Key, Charlton and so on that went out of business. You telling me they got broke for being Woke even though some folded before the 90s?

To those telling me to define woke you can do that yourself

Woke is a political slang adjective derived from African-American Vernacular English (AAVE) originally meaning alertness to racial prejudice and discrimination.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke

Hmmm. Sounds like something only very specific types of people would hate and desire to turn it into a pejorative.