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YellowSUV
05/23/24 2:54:27 PM
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https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/22/asia/china-military-drills-taiwan-punishment-intl-hnk/index.html

I don't think anything will come from this particular military drill, but it seems pretty clear China wants to eventually conquer Taiwan if the opportunity arises.


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Tyranthraxus
05/23/24 2:57:06 PM
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It's a veiled threat. Not against Taiwan, but specifically just the new leader.

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s0nicfan
05/23/24 2:59:15 PM
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I give it 5 years max before China actually invades. The level and intensity of their practice invasion drills is just as high as Russia putting their invasion force on the border of Ukraine while telling everyone they had no intention of invading. And while you can argue doing so isn't in China's best economic interest, "the party" is more interested in control and legacy, and the fact that the original Chinese government is still right there being a successful independent nation right in front of them is eventually a reality too harsh for them to tolerate.

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AsucaHayashi
05/23/24 3:01:31 PM
#5:


YellowSUV posted...
China wants to eventually conquer Taiwan if the opportunity arises.

putin wins in ukraine, trump becomes president, israel gets to continue their genocide without resistance.

if all those pieces fall into place then it's guaranteed taiwan is next.

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teep_
05/23/24 3:13:50 PM
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AsucaHayashi posted...
putin wins in ukraine
very unlikely

AsucaHayashi posted...
trump becomes president
more likely than I'm comfortable with

AsucaHayashi posted...
israel gets to continue their genocide without resistance.
pretty much guaranteed

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05/24/24 1:01:57 AM
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St0rmFury
05/24/24 1:09:28 AM
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https://twitter.com/destapandolose1/status/1793735226511999293

Chinese soldier training with his combat "dog".

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Karovorak
05/24/24 3:09:45 AM
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teep_ posted...
very unlikely

Depends on what counts as a win.

It already goes on for over two years, no end in sight, and the lessons China probably has learned so far?

  • The west is fucking slow and lackluster with their reactions
  • Russia is a mess
  • Russia still has some territorial gains


You can expect China to take notes, with priority 1 on top "Don't be as brainless as Russia is, win within a few months".

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Beany
05/24/24 3:26:43 AM
#10:


s0nicfan posted...
I give it 5 years max before China actually invades. The level and intensity of their practice invasion drills is just as high as Russia putting their invasion force on the border of Ukraine while telling everyone they had no intention of invading. And while you can argue doing so isn't in China's best economic interest, "the party" is more interested in control and legacy, and the fact that the original Chinese government is still right there being a successful independent nation right in front of them is eventually a reality too harsh for them to tolerate.

original Chinese government lmao cmon man

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Thompson
05/24/24 3:28:49 AM
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Beany, you deleted your message and then posted it again?

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Beany
05/24/24 3:33:41 AM
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Thompson posted...
Beany, you deleted your message and then posted it again?

Yeah, I couldnt decide if that phrasing was for real or not but eventually landed on responding to it. Calling the nationalists the original government just made me laugh.

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ssjevot
05/24/24 3:45:52 AM
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Beany posted...
Yeah, I couldnt decide if that phrasing was for real or not but eventually landed on responding to it. Calling the nationalists the original government just made me laugh.

More of a Qing dynasty supporter?

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Fenriswolf
05/24/24 3:46:04 AM
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s0nicfan posted...
And while you can argue doing so isn't in China's best economic interest, "the party" is more interested in control and legacy, and the fact that the original Chinese government is still right there being a successful independent nation right in front of them is eventually a reality too harsh for them to tolerate.

LMAO tell me who started the Chinese Civil War

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Fenriswolf
05/24/24 3:47:15 AM
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AsucaHayashi posted...
putin wins in ukraine, trump becomes president, israel gets to continue their genocide without resistance.

if all those pieces fall into place then it's guaranteed taiwan is next.

Remember when Azerbaijan successfully drove away all the ethnic Armenians from Artsakh last year and the USA just watched?

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Guide
05/24/24 3:49:59 AM
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s0nicfan posted...
The level and intensity of their practice invasion drills is just as high as Russia putting their invasion force on the border of Ukraine while telling everyone they had no intention of invading.

Is it? Are they establishing new bases and routing like Russia was?

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Thompson
05/24/24 3:51:27 AM
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Fenriswolf posted...
Remember when Azerbaijan successfully drove away all the ethnic Armenians from Artsakh last year and the USA just watched?
Remember that Armenia is in Russia's own NATO-like organisation who was supposed to help Armenia but did bugger all to stop Azerbaijan?

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CADE_FOSTER
05/24/24 5:43:54 AM
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Republicans love Russia they hate China guarantee we would go to war for Taiwan
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Kim_Seong-a
05/24/24 5:54:38 AM
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CADE_FOSTER posted...
Republicans love Russia they hate China guarantee we would go to war for Taiwan

They love being contrarian to democrats more than anything so as soon as "Taiwan should remain independent" becomes a regular talking point, the entire GOP will rapidly shift to team CCP

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_____Cait
05/24/24 5:58:09 AM
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Yeah china is totally gonna invade taiwan so america has an excuse to blow it to the moon.

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TetsuoS2
05/24/24 5:59:47 AM
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no one would actually touch the literal goldmine that is taiwan right now.

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Revelation34
05/24/24 6:06:26 AM
#22:


Fenriswolf posted...


Remember when Azerbaijan successfully drove away all the ethnic Armenians from Artsakh last year and the USA just watched?


Remember when you defended China over them trying to bully the Philippines out of the Spratly Islands?

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CADE_FOSTER
05/24/24 6:17:10 AM
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China wants it by 2027 we shall see
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Mearcstapa
05/24/24 6:32:41 AM
#24:


We still owe China some payback for what they did to us in Korea 70 years ago.

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Fenriswolf
05/24/24 6:49:26 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
Remember when you defended China over them trying to bully the Philippines out of the Spratly Islands?

Since when did the islands belong to the Philippines, especially considering that both China and Taiwan recognize the SAME maritime borders?

And remember when the US media and politicians stopped talking about Marcos Jr's corruption after he changed Duterte's foreign policy to be more pro-US?

Mearcstapa posted...
We still owe China some payback for what they did to us in Korea 70 years ago.

Why don't you join the military then instead of talking crap on the internet? Or better yet fly to China and fight your fantasy war on your own.

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Thompson
05/24/24 6:52:31 AM
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Fenriswolf posted...
Why don't you join the military then instead of talking crap on the internet? Or better yet fly to China and fight your fantasy war on your own.
And I'm sure you simply cannot wait for the day when you can don army fatigues and be among the first to storm the shores of Taiwan.

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JasonSehorn
05/24/24 6:53:30 AM
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dudes the biggest communist simp on gamefaqs its sad
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Mearcstapa
05/24/24 7:09:57 AM
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Death to the CCP

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OmegaShinkai
05/24/24 7:33:15 AM
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Fenriswolf posted...
Remember when Azerbaijan successfully drove away all the ethnic Armenians from Artsakh last year and the USA just watched?
Can anyone give me a quick refresher on Fenriswolf's thoughts on the way the CCP treats the Uyghurs?
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mustachedmystic
05/24/24 7:35:38 AM
#30:


If China invades Taiwan it would decimate the world economy, and I would imagine the long term consequences would include the death of the CCP.

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darkace77450
05/24/24 7:47:19 AM
#31:


Karovorak posted...
Depends on what counts as a win.

It already goes on for over two years, no end in sight, and the lessons China probably has learned so far?

* The west is fucking slow and lackluster with their reactions
* Russia is a mess
* Russia still has some territorial gains

You can expect China to take notes, with priority 1 on top "Don't be as brainless as Russia is, win within a few months".

The most important lessons they've learned are that America's funding of a country's resistance to invasion starts in the House, that members of the Republican Party in the House can be bought by foreign interests, and that Citizens United makes it easy for foreign interests to buy politicians.
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Fony
05/24/24 7:55:22 AM
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There is no need to speculate, we will go to war with China immediately if they attack Taiwan. Our military complex depends on TSMC, period. Of course ASML and TSMC can remotely scuttle the chip making machines if china does invade, they'd gain nothing economically or technologically.

The rush to build up TSMC fabs outside Taiwan is pointless, their cutting edge tech will stay in Taiwan and that's their insurance of US/Japan intervention against China. Hell, the fabs in the US aren't even up and running and will not be as productive due to our non-slavish work culture and our adherence to regulations. TSMC in Arizona pays well below other semiconductor companies and unlike their foreign work force Americans don't work 12 hours 6 days a week.

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/tsmc-will-keep-trade-secrets-in-taiwan-tech-minister

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ssjevot
05/24/24 7:58:53 AM
#33:


OmegaShinkai posted...
Can anyone give me a quick refresher on Fenriswolf's thoughts on the way the CCP treats the Uyghurs?

Sure his thought is what about other bad thing?

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TetsuoS2
05/24/24 8:00:00 AM
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it's not just the military complex, TSMC is holding a great portion of the global economy by the balls.

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Revelation34
05/24/24 9:40:34 AM
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Fenriswolf posted...


Since when did the islands belong to the Philippines, especially considering that both China and Taiwan recognize the SAME maritime borders?

And remember when the US media and politicians stopped talking about Marcos Jr's corruption after he changed Duterte's foreign policy to be more pro-US?

Why don't you join the military then instead of talking crap on the internet? Or better yet fly to China and fight your fantasy war on your own.


China also thinks they own every island including Japan though.

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Fenriswolf
05/24/24 9:44:09 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
China also thinks they own every island including Japan though.

BS. Nobody in China has ever claims that Japan is part of China. The only islands in dispute are the Diaoyu/Senkaku Islands, which Taiwan also claims as part of the their territory. Oops.

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Halo478
05/24/24 9:45:38 AM
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Do you ever get tired of stumping for commies or nah?

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s0nicfan
05/24/24 9:45:46 AM
#38:


Fenriswolf posted...
BS. Nobody in China has ever claims that Japan is part of China. The only islands in dispute are the Diaoyu/Senkaku Islands, which Taiwan also claims as part of the their territory. Oops.

And also, you know, most everything in the South China Sea:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/a03b93b9.jpg

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Fenriswolf
05/24/24 10:02:03 AM
#39:


s0nicfan posted...
And also, you know, most everything in the South China Sea:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/a03b93b9.jpg

LMAO reading comprehension too hard for you? I was talking about China and Japan.

Hilarious that you map managed to show that China's not the only part in the South China Sea dispute. But of course the hypocritical US government has no problem with Vietnam claiming the entire western shelf.

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divot1338
05/24/24 10:02:48 AM
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China will invade Taiwan within the next eight years.

Theyre not as chill with old heads of state so Jinping will be focused on making that happen.

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UnholyMudcrab
05/24/24 10:03:53 AM
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The thing about a Chinese invasion of Taiwan is that we'd know years ahead of time that it was coming. The scale of the buildup needed is just not something that can be hidden.

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s0nicfan
05/24/24 10:06:04 AM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
The thing about a Chinese invasion of Taiwan is that we'd know years ahead of time that it was coming. The scale of the buildup needed is just not something that can be hidden.

You're literally watching it happen in real time. Each of these drills is getting larger, more sophisticated, and they're able to do it more rapidly.

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YellowSUV
05/24/24 10:09:11 AM
#43:


UnholyMudcrab posted...
The thing about a Chinese invasion of Taiwan is that we'd know years ahead of time that it was coming. The scale of the buildup needed is just not something that can be hidden.

I don't think it would necessarily be years, but there certainly would be a huge buildup at least for months.

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s0nicfan
05/24/24 10:11:05 AM
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Fenriswolf posted...
LMAO reading comprehension too hard for you? I was talking about China and Japan.

Hilarious that you map managed to show that China's not the only part in the South China Sea dispute. But of course the hypocritical US government has no problem with Vietnam claiming the entire western shelf.


Fenriswolf posted...
Revelation34 posted...
Remember when you defended China over them trying to bully the Philippines out of the Spratly Islands?

Since when did the islands belong to the Philippines, especially considering that both China and Taiwan recognize the SAME maritime borders?


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Fenriswolf
05/24/24 10:14:02 AM
#45:


s0nicfan posted...
You're literally watching it happen in real time. Each of these drills is getting larger, more sophisticated, and they're able to do it more rapidly.

I like how US nationalists never study history, as if Deng Xiaoping never had the same policy towards Taiwan, and that US warships were never deployed in 1996 when Jiang Zemin was the leader.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Taiwan_Strait_Crisis

And I was talking specifically to Revelation34 who falsely claimed that China is trying to claim Japan. Reading comprehension helps:

Revelation34 posted...
China also thinks they own every island including Japan though.


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divot1338
05/24/24 10:15:11 AM
#46:


s0nicfan posted...
You're literally watching it happen in real time. Each of these drills is getting larger, more sophisticated, and they're able to do it more rapidly.
These are drills for surrounding Taiwan; thats all.

So far China has demonstrated its ability to briskly park a bunch of ships around Taiwan.

Even Taiwan has the ability to get through a blockade.

Anchoring at sea and an anphibious assault of a major world economy are two very different things.

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mustachedmystic
05/24/24 10:17:02 AM
#47:


YellowSUV posted...
I don't think it would necessarily be years, but there certainly would be a huge buildup at least for months.
Yeah, a Chinese invasion would be akin to D-day. We would notice the second they begin the buildup, and could have half our carrier strike forces in place before one Chinese soldier set foot in a landing craft.

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s0nicfan
05/24/24 10:17:14 AM
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Fenriswolf posted...
And I was talking specifically to Revelation34 who falsely claimed that China is trying to claim Japan.

Oh, so then you fully acknowledge that China is actually trying to claim islands all over the South China sea. You just took issue with somebody saying that Japan was included in that giant list of territorial disputes?

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Fenriswolf
05/24/24 10:19:53 AM
#49:


s0nicfan posted...
Oh, so then you fully acknowledge that China is actually trying to claim islands all over the South China sea. You just took issue with somebody saying that Japan was included in that giant list of territorial disputes?

LMAO tell me where is Japan involved in the South China Sea dispute?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_in_the_South_China_Sea

Funny how you try to depict China as the sole party in claiming the islands but it's okay when Brunei, Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines, and Vietnam do it.

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s0nicfan
05/24/24 10:32:19 AM
#50:


Fenriswolf posted...
LMAO tell me where is Japan involved in the South China Sea dispute?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_in_the_South_China_Sea

Funny how you try to depict China as the sole party in claiming the islands but it's okay when Brunei, Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines, and Vietnam do it.

Well China is the sole party trying to extend the internationally recognized territorial waters boundaries far, far further than every other country in the region which is creating the dispute in the first place.

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