Current Events > REMINDER: "Super straight" is transphobia!

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KitKats posted...

Gatekeeping is broadly deciding who gets to be included or not. Maybe youre a big fan of Star Wars or Zelda, or Dragonball Z, and you dont think person A is a true fan so you gatekeep who is allowed in or not.

It will piss some people off but its not such a big deal in the grand scheme of things. When it comes to healthcare, however, there is a massive fucking problem with gatekeeping care from trans people. Its taken many years for the guidelines to catch up and be more reasonable, with many healthcare practices and professionals not keeping up with the appropriate guidelines with evidence based care.

There are numerous examples of gatekeeping, most notably gatekeeping minors from being allowed to transition. Adults face significant hurdles to care, as well. The progress on this has been painstakingly slow.

Too tracks was accusing us of gatekeeping sexuality. In this instance, when we were explaining it is not a valid sexual orientation to say you are only attracted to cisgender people, and Mega made up an absurd hypothetical about having a fetish or kink where they are only attracted to cis people because of how their brain works. This was after they already showed their hand with their initial post, and disputed my notion that an attraction to women is broadly not applicable to someone saying cis or trans only (because again that is not how attraction works - you can be attracted to women, see a woman, and be attracted to her without knowing if she is cis or trans.)

Basically its like when a racist gets mad and their white fragility is activated, and they want to turn it around into, No!! Youre the real racist against white people! And blah blah blah! Stop making me feel bad about being white! This is discrimination! Youre gatekeeping my sexuality to say I cant only be attracted to cis people!

They are not operating in good faith and do not make straight forward posts to explain their positions because theyre inherently bigoted and prejudiced, so they engage in mental gymnastics and bizarre hypotheticals, or confusing wordsmithing and sealion tactics.

It would be really easy to explain their positions if they operated in good faith and just say what they mean. I have no problem doing this myself, for example.

This kind of post is why you deserve praise. Thank you for going to the trouble to explain in such detail.

BDSMKane posted...

Kindness and understanding is a two way street. No one should be apologetic about who they are, and everyone should have the right to proudly embrace their identity. But there is a blurred line there where your comfort can come at the expense of someone elses discomfort. The goal should be that were all open to communication, empathetic, and try to find solutions to protect the marginalized while respecting everyones mental health.

Are you REALLY trying to "both sides" the existence of trans people and the bigotry they face?

TMOG posted...

Are you REALLY trying to "both sides" the existence of trans people and the bigotry they face?

This is also why I respond with sass rather than just play nice with any obvious bait attempt.

There is an expectation of the disenfranchised to be overly polite and kind and understanding when addressing their oppressors, and all that does is further the oppression. If someone dislikes me because Im trans, or doesnt think Im valid or whatever, treating them like they have a valid point doesnt mean theyre going to start respecting me. If anything, it only deepens their beliefs.

Transphobia requires disregarding not only modern medical science but thousands of years of history across all the worlds cultures. Its not any trans persons job to explain why transphobia is bad, just like its not any PoCs job to tell us why racism is bad.

TMOG posted...

Are you REALLY trying to "both sides" the existence of trans people and the bigotry they face?

No. I dont fault you for misunderstanding me though, it was a protracted discussion between numerous parties, and youre only on post #59 of 202.

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And he has no one to blame, but himself

You're right TC, saying you're only attracted to cis women is inherently transphobic

David1988 posted...

You're right TC, saying you're only attracted to cis women is inherently transphobic

Seriously, STFU.

Im not sure what I said wrong, how would one even be able to tell if someone is trans or not? Sure maybe you can some time, but not all the time. So if you outright say youre super straight and only attracted to cis men or women youre being transphobic. It would be different if they said they prefer having sex with cis, but that wasnt the quote on the OP.

I'll never get why shit like this is contentious for some. A group of people literally just wanting to exist and be comfortable in their own skin, and people acting like trans folk are the TF2 Spy, except using genitals instead of knives.

My dudes and dudettes(not sure on a gender neutral one here, need to look in to that, don't mean to offend anyone just blame my ignorance), no one is going to try and con you in to a life long marriage or anything. Trans people can be attractive even if it's "not your thing." Discriminating against people does not actually make anything better for -you-, it just makes things worse for other people. I mean you might get something you're not expecting on a hook up, but if it's really not your thing just be fucking civil, it's still another human being you're speaking to.

Kindness is pretty damn fulfilling. Give it a shot.

David1988 posted...

Im not sure what I said wrong, how would one even be able to tell if someone is trans or not? Sure maybe you can some time, but not all the time. So if you outright say youre super straight and only attracted to cis men or women youre being transphobic. It would be different if they said they prefer having sex with cis, but that wasnt the quote on the OP.

if you cant tell wouldnt you just say women?

thronedfire2 posted...

if you cant tell wouldnt you just say women?

of course. but saying you're "super straight," which is what this topic is about, is implying you can tell the difference between and trans and cis and you're only attracted to cis, which is transphobic because there are many women you cant tell that are cis or trans, its only transphobia thats making them differentiate from straight and "super straight." I thought this was obvious but I guess ill be told to stfu for this too

David1988 posted...

I thought this was obvious but I guess ill be told to stfu for this too

Ok, I think both you and the other users have cleared up what your post meant now. If you are here for actual good faith and not trying to start an argument with the phrasing you are using, it's probably time to let this one go.

Trans activists have responded to the hateful trend by using it as a tool for education. Eden the Doll, a YouTuber and TikToker, responded to Royces transphobic content with a series of TikTok videos, describing in length how no trans women are forcing men to be attracted to them. These claims not only show how insecure men are, Eden says, their entire sexuality was formed around a trans woman, and a community that has done nothing to them.

Outside of TikTok, trans content creator Sam Collinsalso addressed the orientation on his YouTube channel. Super straight was formed around a persons preferences, Collins states, disqualifying it as a true sexual orientation, which is not a choice.

LGBTQ+ people, and other marginalized groups, fight for a voice and visibility every single day. The super-straight is simply an attempt by those who hold transphobic views to make themselves the victim by adapting the language of LGBTQ+ individuals. But trans people have taken this mockery as a chance to point out the highly problematic issues with the new sexuality, and create a dialogue for educating people about what it means to be trans and a part of the LGBTQ+ community.

https://www.missionmag.org/super-straight-sexuality-tiktok-transphobia/

TLDR; transphobic bigotry forms an entire new sexuality that revolves around and is defined by trans women to misappropriate LGBT+ language, framing themselves as victims (much like we have seen multiple users do in this thread as they try to justify their bigotry)

These kind of people are exactly why trans women regularly talk about how/when to come out to partners when dating. Its not always practical or even preferred to go around wearing an armband with the trans insignia so everyone knows what we are. Each individual has to figure out for themselves when or if to ever divulge that we are trans.

Some women dont see it as particularly relevant to them at all at her current stage of life, like informing a partner about some doctor visit you made 20 years ago. Who does that? Its not necessary or required.

David1988 posted...

Im not sure what I said wrong, how would one even be able to tell if someone is trans or not? Sure maybe you can some time, but not all the time. So if you outright say youre super straight and only attracted to cis men or women youre being transphobic. It would be different if they said they prefer having sex with cis, but that wasnt the quote on the OP.

Oh yes, the "i'm gonna pretend to be oblivious to my obvious bigoted shitposting, because trolling is fun!" excuse. Haven't seen anyone do that before.

David1988 posted...

of course. but saying you're "super straight," which is what this topic is about, is implying you can tell the difference between and trans and cis and you're only attracted to cis, which is transphobic because there are many women you cant tell that are cis or trans, its only transphobia thats making them differentiate from straight and "super straight." I thought this was obvious but I guess ill be told to stfu for this too

seemed pretty obvious to me.

and honestly as someone who has only been medically transitioning for like eight months, they cant tell.

I dont even particularly put a lot of effort into passing most of the time because honestly Im lazy, but even at my most boymode theres still plenty of ciswomen who look infinitely more male than I ever did.

Error1355 posted...

Ok, I think both you and the other users have cleared up what your post meant now. If you are here for actual good faith and not trying to start an argument with the phrasing you are using, it's probably time to let this one go.

I dont mind letting it go, but the above post seems to indicate the one who was initially telling me to stfu still doesnt want to.

Men who would date trans and cis women could actually argue they are super, extra, or more straight because they would potentially date more kinds of women in comparison to bigoted transphobes.

As opposed to someone who is mostly attracted to men, but might date one specific kind of woman in special circumstances. Bisexual individuals can lean one way or another, and are not always like sure Id sleep with anyone regardless of gender lol

Haven't read the whole topic so sorry if this has already been said, but the term "super straight" is inherently transphobic because it is based on the idea that you aren't really your gender if you're trans. If a man says he is not attracted to transwomen because he's he's really, really straight then the message is that transwomen aren't really women (same for any other gender/sexuality combo). That's the offensive part, no one is saying you can't have genitals or other features that you aren't attracted to regardless of gender.

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Except thats toxic masculinity, and not an example of healthy positivity to promote acceptance of marginalized individuals.

Maybe youll hit that nail one day, if only randomly, as you keep wildly swinging that hammer in desperation.

Friendly reminder that MEGAsoldier in a topic yesterday claimed that CE dogpiles on people for no reason, and that they mass mark and brigade topics just because, and that's why people get suspended.

He is now suspended for being transphobic.

It really isn't that deep. Make a bad post, be called out on it.

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Thats not completely unfair but I mean he could've just asked first what I meant before accusing me of bigotry like a normal person would do, its very simple to do before levying heinous charges on someone such as bigotry. I do play the guy with dump opinions but only do it in topics that isnt important like opinions on gaming and shit. I dont do it on important real life stuff like yesterday with the topic on "men are trash." I can understand how people might have a hard time differentiating whether im being facetious or not, but if you're going to levy a charge like bigotry on me for something I said about important matters then I would think a simple gesture of asking me what I meant before levying those charges would be simple enough. But some users are quick to jump to gun on heinous accusations of others, I get it its fun to demonize people especially when they made themselves easy targets so I'm sure this wont be the last time.

I find super straight to be a valid sexual orientation only if they really emphasize the "SUUUPER" and their political leaning is nothing less than "STRONG RIGHT!"

David1988 posted...

Thats not completely unfair but I mean he could've just asked first what I meant before accusing me of bigotry like a normal person would do, its very simple to do before levying heinous charges on someone such as bigotry. I do play the guy with dump opinions but only do it in topics that isnt important like opinions on gaming and shit. I dont do it on important real life stuff like yesterday with the topic on "men are trash." I can understand how people might have a hard time differentiating whether im being facetious or not, but if you're going to levy a charge like bigotry on me for something I said about important matters then I would think a simple gesture of asking me what I meant before levying those charges would be simple enough. But some users are quick to jump to gun on heinous accusations of others, I get it its fun to demonize people especially when they made themselves easy targets so I'm sure this wont be the last time.

Or maybe, just maybe, you should stop with the dumb shitposting.

You don't get to ask for people to ask what you meant when all you do is shitpost and take shitty stances. No one owes you the benefit of the doubt and your history indicates you don't deserve it.

Remember when you used to regularly post chud shit to troll and now you pretend like that wasn't a problem?

David1988 posted...

Thats not completely unfair but I mean he could've just asked first what I meant before accusing me of bigotry like a normal person would do, its very simple to do before levying heinous charges on someone such as bigotry. I do play the guy with dump opinions but only do it in topics that isnt important like opinions on gaming and shit. I dont do it on important real life stuff like yesterday with the topic on "men are trash." I can understand how people might have a hard time differentiating whether im being facetious or not, but if you're going to levy a charge like bigotry on me for something I said about important matters then I would think a simple gesture of asking me what I meant before levying those charges would be simple enough. But some users are quick to jump to gun on heinous accusations of others, I get it its fun to demonize people especially when they made themselves easy targets so I'm sure this wont be the last time.

This subject is about as serious as it can be for some. If you can't see how some folks might be a little heated when they think someone is dogwhistling bigoted speech to them, you are increasingly looking like you are here to start trouble than actually post your support.

Error1355 posted...

I dont do it on important real life stuff like yesterday with the topic on "men are trash.

Wow...this says so much. Thinking that topic was important but bigotry against the Trans community is not.

Now....that is truly mask off.

Error1355 posted...

you are increasingly looking like you are here to start trouble than actually post your support.

ya don't fuckin' say

Error1355 posted...

This subject is about as serious as it can be for some. If you can't see how some folks might be a little heated when they think someone is dogwhistling bigoted speech to them, you are increasingly looking like you are here to start trouble than actually post your support.

Which is why I said its not completely unfair, but lets not pretend CE doesnt throw out the heinous bigotry charge in a looser manner than is generally warranted. Was it justifiable in this case? Maybe, but there are also many instances it isnt. Thats just my thought on it at least, you're free to assume whatever you want about me from my posts and how you think it looks, I generally dont play the game of having to defend myself against strangers who know nothing about me in the first place

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Yep...Edited. Apologies.

Sandalorn posted...

Wow...this says so much. Thinking that topic was important but bigotry against the Trans community is not.

Now....that is truly mask off.

excuse me? Im saying this topic is also very important like the men are trash topic, hence why I didnt say dumb shit in either of them. All I said here was I agree to TC's assertion and I got told stfu for it, I meant what I said, I thought what TC was saying obvious. I wasnt being sarcastic because this is an important topic that affects real people, but youre free to assume otherwise if it will make you feel better to characterize me as someone whos a bigot.

David1988 posted...

Which is why I said its not completely unfair, but lets not pretend CE doesnt throw out the heinous bigotry charge in a looser manner than is generally warranted. Was it justifiable in this case? Maybe, but there are also many instances it isnt.

This is such a non-issue, it doesnt even warrant mention, yet you feel compelled to mention it. Curious.

If somebody doesn't want to be treated as a bad faith contrarian maybe they shouldn't regularly be a bad faith contrarian and then try to blame their reputation on others for how they choose to act.

David1988 posted...

Which is why I said its not completely unfair, but lets not pretend CE doesnt throw out the heinous bigotry charge in a looser manner than is generally warranted. Was it justifiable in this case? Maybe, but there are also many instances it isnt. Thats just my thought on it at least, you're free to assume whatever you want about me from my posts and how you think it looks, I generally dont play the game of having to defend myself against strangers who know nothing about me in the first place

David1988 posted...

excuse me? Im saying this topic is also very important like the men are trash topic, hence why I didnt say dumb shit in either of them. All I said here was I agree to TC's assertion and I got told stfu for it, I meant what I said, I thought what TC was saying obvious. I wasnt being sarcastic because this is an important topic that affects real people, but youre free to assume otherwise if it will make you feel better to characterize me as someone whos a bigot.

Imagine being a contrarian to the degree that you are and throwing this hissy fit over people being skeptical of you and your posts.

People thinking you're full of it is entirely your own doing.

Murphiroth posted...

Imagine being a contrarian to the degree that you are and throwing this hissy fit over people being skeptical of you and your posts.

People thinking you're full of it is entirely your own doing.

"Why can't people tell when I'm being serious? I'm posting the exact same things in the exact same tone, it's honestly baffling that people aren't taking it well."

a hissy fit? ok cool if thats how you see it

i heard there was a dogpile itt

did i miss it

Dungeater posted...

i heard there was a dogpile itt

did i miss it

lmfao

Dungeater posted...

i heard there was a dogpile itt

did i miss it

no

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8cd4ceed.jpg

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Yeah, like Ive had that user tagged for quite some time now, and it wasnt for basic/ light transphobia where an otherwise well meaning person just doesnt know any better.

I just assumed they were baiting, and it seems that is exactly what theyre doing now that he has pulled out the card complaining about words such as, transphobia and bigotry and making this about himself.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/6dacc399.jpg

BrohammedAli posted...

no

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8cd4ceed.jpg

https://imgur.com/592O9JO

lmao his incredulous slam

like "WHAT!!"

Since we had a bad faith poster being openly transphobic and bigoted earlier, mocking the LGBT+ community with ridiculously absurd hypotheticals about fetishizing cisgender people, its worth pointing out that there are people who fetishize trans people as exotic and these lowlife are known as chasers.

Anyone who wants to actively seek out trans women specifically are major red flags, as opposed to someone who is okay with dating a woman cis or trans. They are frequently abusers who do not see you as a person but an object, a means to an end for them to fulfill their fantasy.

Often they are cis men, but chasers can also be cis women. Fetishizing people can be incredibly harmful and are ripe for perpetuating this abuse and dehumanization, preying on vulnerable girls eager for validation.

They can be incredibly charming to get what they want.

Literally have never heard this in my life.