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Humble_Novice 06/08/24 3:11:42 PM #1: |
https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-dismisses-attempted-murder-other-213248873.html SAN FRANCISCO (AP) A judge on Thursday dismissed several state charges against Paul Pelosi's attacker, who was convicted in federal court last month, based on the argument that the counts fall under double jeopardy, according to the San Francisco Public Defenders Office. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Irony 06/08/24 3:12:47 PM #3: |
Slightly clickbaity
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Amakusa 06/08/24 3:27:10 PM #4: |
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If you read the article, the charges he was convicted for in the federal court were the ones dismissed. Other articles I've googled cited the guy is still on the hook for five other charges. In other words, the article in the OP is not written very well. --- I will rule the world, and find that truly good cup of coffee. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LoZguy709 06/08/24 3:47:19 PM #5: |
The court dismissing the case due to double jeopardy in a state notorious for leniency on criminals totally signifies a huge Republican victory... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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andel 06/08/24 3:48:35 PM #6: |
that guy is never getting out of prison and is still facing state charges that can carry up to life in prison
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Agent_Stroud 06/08/24 3:49:34 PM #7: |
Figures.
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thronedfire2 06/08/24 3:49:35 PM #8: |
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even if he was convicted on state charges the sentences would have been concurrent. a trial would have just been a waste of taxpayer money. --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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divot1338 06/08/24 3:50:30 PM #9: |
Guys read.
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Irony 06/08/24 3:52:51 PM #10: |
I really need you guys to focus and actually read the article and not listen to the stupid clickbait title
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HylianFox 06/08/24 3:55:29 PM #11: |
Irony posted...
Slightly clickbaity This, Double Jeopardy is only okay as a gameshow --- THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK Do not write in this space. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 06/08/24 4:01:39 PM #12: |
It's stupid about the state charges but obviously we shouldn't make a double jeopardy exception for it.
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lilORANG 06/08/24 4:04:21 PM #13: |
I think Cali might actually have a state law that says it is double jeopardy if a crime results in a federal conviction.
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Rush316 06/08/24 4:42:08 PM #15: |
I don't know for sure about California's double jeopardy laws, but from the federal perspective this would not be double jeopardy.
The Separate Sovereigns doctrine (a.k.a. Dual Sovereignty doctrine) says that double jeopardy only applies to charges for the same crime by the same sovereign. The federal government and the state governments are considered different sovereigns for this purpose, meaning you can be charged for the same crime by both the federal government and the government of the state in which the crime was committed. SCOTUS ruled to uphold this doctrine as recently as 2019's Gamble v. United States, which was a 7-2 decision (Ginsburg and Gorsuch dissenting). This is a very well established legal doctrine. I learned about it in a intro law for non majors class, for example. It's a basic aspect of double jeopardy law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Jeopardy_Clause#Dual_sovereignty_doctrine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamble_v._United_States As for California, what I'm finding seems to suggest that the Separate Sovereigns doctrine applies to CA law as well. Perhaps there is some specific reason why this doctrine shouldn't apply in this particular case, but I'm leaning towards the judge having ruled incorrectly. --- How would you...stab your face off o_O-Cornmuffins It's tricky.-Iori Junkie ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyrusV 06/08/24 4:53:44 PM #16: |
He's already serving 30 years under the federal charges.
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Gobstoppers12 06/08/24 5:00:15 PM #17: |
Humble_Novice posted...
DePape still faces charges of false imprisonment, residential burglary, threatening a family member of a public official, attempting to sway a witness and aggravated kidnapping.You should probably put "some charges" in your topic title, given that the way it reads initially seems to imply that all the charges were dropped. But you probably knew that already. --- (He/Him) I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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lilORANG 06/08/24 5:00:29 PM #18: |
CyrusV posted...
He's already serving 30 years under the federal charges.And the feds don't do parole. So he'll be 72 when he gets released. --- Science and Algorithms ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Humble_Novice 06/08/24 5:04:08 PM #19: |
Gobstoppers12 posted... You should probably put "some charges" in your topic title, given that the way it reads initially seems to imply that all the charges were dropped.Unfortunately, there's not enough space on the topic title. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 06/08/24 5:07:43 PM #20: |
Humble_Novice posted...
Unfortunately, there's not enough space on the topic title.You could have dropped different words which are easier to infer. You didn't need to mention the judge in the title. It could have been reworded all sorts of ways to be more accurate. I choose to believe that you knew what you were doing, and you wanted people to comment without reading the article. Then again, I've been on CE too long and I'm used to attention-seeking behavior being the norm. --- (He/Him) I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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lilORANG 06/08/24 5:08:48 PM #21: |
I didn't think the topic was misleading. I thought the bigger "story" was that the state judge is applying double jeopardy principles to federal convictions, which is weird.
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