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SHRlKE
06/10/24 4:51:25 AM
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What in your opinion is a workable roadmap to peace between Gaza and Israel? I dont want any gimmick answers. A legitimate workable roadmap that would work for both sides.

I think a third party coming in to oversea Gaza is the only option that actually feels workable imo.

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Bandit_Keith
06/10/24 4:54:54 AM
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You think after all this time that we will be the ones to come up with a workable roadmap to peace in the middle east?

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SHRlKE
06/10/24 4:57:44 AM
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Nope.

I love your username by the way. I have a cat called Keith :)

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ai123
06/10/24 5:04:15 AM
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Immediate and complete freeze on settlements and the eviction of Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza.

Recognition of Palestinian and Israeli statehood.

Hamas to be designated as a proscribed terrorist organization within Palestine.

International oversight/governance of Gaza with a view to holding free elections, run by an independent body.

But no. If I knew how to draw such a road map, I wouldn't be here.

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Nukazie
06/10/24 5:10:55 AM
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https://youtu.be/ECscKICzsJ0?si=6h9KjSIz3B96PClU&t=83

1:25
damn, what happened with fandom and linking at specific video time :(

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Umbongo
06/10/24 5:26:51 AM
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SHRlKE posted...
I think a third party coming in to oversea Gaza is the only option that actually feels workable imo.

I'm not sure that they'll be able to agree on the rules for a new, specially created body to oversee Gaza. Someone will always think there's bias.

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Crazyman93
06/10/24 5:31:02 AM
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SHRlKE posted...
What in your opinion is a workable roadmap to peace between Gaza and Israel?
Glass the whole area. That's not a gimmick answer, the sides of that conflict have been fighting or disagreeing with each other longer than the island of Britain has been united under one monarch. Hell, some of that bad blood might actually date back to the Roman Empire.

You can put up whatever plans you want, but as long as there are firebrands on both sides to fuck around with the other only for them to open a can of find out with an overly violent reaction, peace is impossible. As it stands, the only way you'll get peace in that region is if there are no people in it.

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DnDer
06/10/24 5:47:49 AM
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ai123 posted...
Immediate and complete freeze on settlements and the eviction of Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza.

Recognition of Palestinian and Israeli statehood.

Hamas to be designated as a proscribed terrorist organization within Palestine.

International oversight/governance of Gaza with a view to holding free elections, run by an independent body.

But no. If I knew how to draw such a road map, I wouldn't be here.

Would you require any... corrective action as it pertains to Israel?

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SHRlKE
06/10/24 5:53:25 AM
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DnDer posted...
Would you require any... corrective action as it pertains to Israel?

I cant speak for the other guy but ultimately removing the underlying reasons why groups such as Hamas are seen as a good choice for the people in Gaza.

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ai123
06/10/24 6:28:57 AM
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DnDer posted...
Would you require any... corrective action as it pertains to Israel?
Yes.

If Palestinian homes have to be protected by UN peacekeeping forces to prevent their seizure by corrupt Israeli courts and violent settler groups, so be it.

If Israel acts in a terrorist fashion to undermine democracy and governance in Palestine, they should be subject to sanctions and restrictions.

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Trumble
06/10/24 6:59:45 AM
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  1. Netanyahu and his buddies behind bars.
  2. Hamas leadership behind bars.
  3. Both states recognized.
  4. Ban Turbam.
  5. Both states demilitarized with a third party peacekeeping force for at least a generation or two. Purely for defense purposes; the two countries run themselves in all other aspects subject to complying with human rights.

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Ragtag28
06/10/24 7:00:01 AM
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What peace? Everybody dead. Its just going to be two guys shaking hands talking about "we did it reddit."

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squall567
06/10/24 7:01:04 AM
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How did the Nazis and the Jewish population work towards peace after the Holocaust?
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Trumble
06/10/24 7:04:20 AM
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squall567 posted...
How did the Nazis and the Jewish population work towards peace after the Holocaust?
False equivalence. The Nazis were kicked the fuck out of power (which is also what should happen to Netanyahu and co); the Germans worked towards peace with the Jewish population.

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SHRlKE
06/10/24 7:04:52 AM
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squall567 posted...
How did the Nazis and the Jewish population work towards peace after the Holocaust?

Not necessarily restricted to the Jewish population but the below article is full of interesting bits.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazification


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squall567
06/10/24 7:09:56 AM
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Trumble posted...
False equivalence. The Nazis were kicked the fuck out of power (which is also what should happen to Netanyahu and co); the Germans worked towards peace with the Jewish population.
That worked because the Nazi party and Hitler were never very popular amongst the German population. How do you do that with the Likud party and Netanyahu when they are more popular since Oct 7th in Israel?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-first-time-in-a-year-poll-shows-netanyahu-preferred-to-gantz-as-prime-minister/

SHRlKE posted...
Not necessarily restricted to the Jewish population but the below article is full of interesting bits.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazification

Those are good ways to start the process but I am not optimistic that any of these will ever happen in our lifetime.
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SHRlKE
06/10/24 7:16:14 AM
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squall567 posted...
Those are good ways to start the process but I am not optimistic that any of these will ever happen in our lifetime.

Me neither. It needs an outside source to come in and change things. I don't think will change from within.


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The_Popo
06/10/24 7:21:03 AM
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Nukazie posted...
damn, what happened with fandom and linking at specific video time :(

@Nukazie

It still works. At the bottom of my post is a screenshot of the link you used. Delete everything that is in between the ? and the t, and it should work just fine.

So basically, delete si=6h9KjSIz3B96PClU& and this is the result:

https://youtu.be/ECscKICzsJ0?t=83

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/d77a59a0.jpg

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Nukazie
06/10/24 7:27:28 AM
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oh nice thanks

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GeraldDarko
06/10/24 7:55:37 AM
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You want someone on CE to draft a workable path to peace. Dude, none of us are capable. This is just CE.

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TomClark
06/10/24 7:57:35 AM
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GeraldDarko posted...
You want someone on CE to draft a workable path to peace. Dude, none of us are capable. This is just CE.

Nah, I think we got this.

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kind9
06/10/24 7:58:59 AM
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Look out, world. We're gonna straighten shit up real fast.

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GameFAQs_lover
06/10/24 11:15:49 AM
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I personally believe that the only way that is realistic in anyway to have actual lasting peace between israelis and Palestinians is to have both countries merge into one country, with the citizenship following a model that is similar to that of the US where you have "Nationals" (West Bank and Gaza Palestinians here) with all of the rights guaranteed except the right to vote for the government (except for their local government), and "Citizens" (all the citizens of Pre-67 Israel here) with the same rights as the nationals + the right to vote. The reason that would work is that it removes the main reason Israelis refuse a united country, which is that they fear becoming minorities in their own country and their government making decisions they are against because of Palestinian votes. This way removes that, and of course it is needless to say how getting every single right a national has (basically all citizen rights except for voting) would be a trillion times better for the Palestinians compared to their situation since 1948.

Again, it is worth repeating that, in this situation ,except voting for the government, the Palestinians get every single right as a citizen, and are equal in everything, employment, wages, living areas, etc.

Then after some decades have passed in peace and the old generations passed away and new generations came that know peace and love between each other you can have a referendum pass and everyone becomes a citizen.

For anyone curious, here is the US National system that I believe this should be similar to:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_of_the_United_States#Distinction_between_citizenship_and_nationality

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Trumble
06/10/24 5:29:26 PM
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GameFAQs_lover posted...
main reason Israelis refuse a united country, which is that they fear becoming minorities in their own countr
In what world is this racist shit a valid reason to deny people the right to vote? Give Palestinians full voting rights and anyone who has a problem with that can fuck off.

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Crazyman93
06/10/24 11:39:50 PM
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Trumble posted...
; the two countries run themselves in all other aspects subject to complying with human rights.
That will never happen in Palestine. They enforce Sharia law, which is incompatible with human rights as recognized by the UN.

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DnDer
06/10/24 11:43:53 PM
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Crazyman93 posted...
That will never happen in Palestine. They enforce Sharia law, which is incompatible with human rights as recognized by the UN.

Not that fundamental religious law isn't compatible with human rights, because I'm not arguing that point. Where has the UN called out Sharia Law specifically for that, though?

That would be a headline. For all time.

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Crazyman93
06/10/24 11:51:46 PM
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DnDer posted...
Not that fundamental religious law isn't compatible with human rights, because I'm not arguing that point. Where has the UN called out Sharia Law specifically for that, though?

That would be a headline. For all time.
Okay, I wasn't clear, I meant that Sharia law is incompatible with Human Rights, as the UN defines human rights.

The UN's Universal Deceleration of Human Rights was called out as not taking "cultural sensitivities" into consideration. Iran specifically called it out as ""a secular understanding of the Judeo-Christian tradition", which could not be implemented by Muslims without trespassing the Islamic law."

In 1990 the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation to respond to the UDHR, and honestly, if you need to "respond" to a deceleration of human rights with anything but "yes" you're already wrong, and came out with the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam. To quote:
Ann Elizabeth Mayer points to notable absences from the Cairo Declaration: provisions for democratic principles, protection for religious freedom, freedom of association and freedom of the press, as well as equality in rights and equal protection under the law. Article 24 of the Cairo declaration states that "all the rights and freedoms stipulated in this Declaration are subject to the Islamic shari'a"


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ClayGuida
06/11/24 12:02:08 AM
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Removing Netanyahu and all the far right assholes.

Netanyahu did everything in his power to destroy a 2 state solution and even ran on it in the 90's.

He's the only reason there isn't peace there.

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DnDer
06/11/24 12:15:42 AM
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Crazyman93 posted...
Okay, I wasn't clear, I meant that Sharia law is incompatible with Human Rights, as the UN defines human rights.

Thank you for the clarification.

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SANDBOX_GAMER
06/11/24 6:46:11 AM
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Crazyman93 posted...
That will never happen in Palestine. They enforce Sharia law, which is incompatible with human rights as recognized by the UN.
Only Hamas does that. Fatah is a secular party.

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Hyena_Of_Ice
06/14/24 12:28:52 AM
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squall567 posted...
How did the Nazis and the Jewish population work towards peace after the Holocaust?

They had bigger fish to fry (Cold War) It's also the only reason why the US occupation of Germany and Japan was successful - they feared the commies far more than they hated each other.
And by the time the Cold War had ended, an entirely different generation was in power.
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