Current Events > Whats your take on an ancient advanced civilization existing on Earth long ago?

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ok well

-evidence would not disappear after 100,000 years. we have evidence of the dinosaurs and they didn't even have a civlization. just think about that. fossils are fossils--we'd find their landfills and plastic bottles and crap.

-we have detailed fossil records of 100s of 1000s of years. it's just not true.

-a stonecutter uses a cable and some wheels to saw into blocks, that's what causes those "saw" marks.

-the old kingdom didn't move into the pyramids. we know who built the pyramids his name is all over it "Khefu." his son built one too. it's not a "mystery"

-egypt was very advanced but they collapsed multiple times. rome collapsed too. we see countries collapse all the time i dont know why it seems so strange?

ClayGuida posted...

There'd be relics, no? I mean we have dinosaur bones and pottery, yet none of this old tech?

Dinosaurs are the old tech

Fun potential theory for a Sci fi movie. But do I actually believe in it? No.

I believe a civilization did exist way back, just not an advance one. Since if they didnt get far technologically then likely almost all traces of them would have been wiped away by time by now.

same will probably happen to 99% of all civilizations. Though the one to follow likely wont peak as high as we did since most of the earths valuable resources would have been depleted long ago.

kelemvor posted...

If we are talking civilizations older than the last Ice Age, that is what facinates me.

I still think the Egyptian Old Kingdom moved in and took over the pyramids from an earlier civilization (not aliens). No one can explain the saw marks that are all over the quarries. Well, they try to, but then get super defensive and accuse you of being a conspiricy theorist when you point out flaws in the arguments that they used copper chisels to do stuff like this:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/59d2e811.jpg

Allow me to be defensive and say that it has been demonstrated that this can be done with the tools the ancient egyptians had and finding one granite slab that was abandoned mid-processing for some unknown reason is nonsensical as evidence that it didn't happen that way. Even if the reason is as the conspiracy theorists (yes) suggest. there's no reason to think that they didn't imagine it was salvagable until accepting that it was not. Sunk cost and all that shit.

The only way you can conclude anything about lost technology based on this is because that's what you wanted to in the first place.

Luigi_and_Tails posted...

This, tbh. It's nice to let your imagination loose sometimes.

My personal silly thought, that I know is untrue but fun to dwell on in the bath or something, is that when humans land on Mars, they stumble across some markings. Said markings read along the lines of "we did this before and killed the planet, this arid wasteland is all that's left. If you're reading this, we've already become extinct."

I like to think that could be anything. Imagination's fun.

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001900760001-9.pdf

kelemvor posted...

If we are talking civilizations older than the last Ice Age, that is what facinates me.

I still think the Egyptian Old Kingdom moved in and took over the pyramids from an earlier civilization (not aliens). No one can explain the saw marks that are all over the quarries. Well, they try to, but then get super defensive and accuse you of being a conspiricy theorist when you point out flaws in the arguments that they used copper chisels to do stuff like this:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/59d2e811.jpg

I'm gonna link to one of my favorite archeologists on this
https://youtu.be/tlpJBsgXQVg?t=972

I recommend looking through his channel in general, he has alot of content debunking alot of this stuff, as well as just some interesting originals

kelemvor posted...

No one can explain the saw marks that are all over the quarries.

Yes they can. Egyptians used copper saw blades with sand and water as an abrasive to cut granite.

kelemvor posted...

If we are talking civilizations older than the last Ice Age, that is what facinates me.

I still think the Egyptian Old Kingdom moved in and took over the pyramids from an earlier civilization (not aliens). No one can explain the saw marks that are all over the quarries. Well, they try to, but then get super defensive and accuse you of being a conspiricy theorist when you point out flaws in the arguments that they used copper chisels to do stuff like this:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/59d2e811.jpg

Hmmmmmm
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/3/5/AAde6oAAAQSv.jpg

It's fun to think about, but I don't take it super seriously. Sure, it's possible. But it's also not necessary at all because:

Hornezz posted...

A significant amount of these theories can be explained with "yes, those ancient brown people were actually pretty damn good at working with stone".

Nazca Lines, Stonehenge, Pyramids, you know what, maybe instead of aliens or whatever, maybe people who lived a long time ago just, you know, didn't have television to distract them from doing cool shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRvv0QdruMQ

While I think watching Ancient Aliens is fun, there is simply no real evidence to back up the existence of a technologically advanced civilization in the ancient past.

It's always funny when they go "oh, ancient people could have never been able to build structures like these, it had to be aliens!". But why the hell would ancient aliens build crap out of stone instead of using their awesome tech?

All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again.

It's really dumb, and more often than not the "ideas" people have for it tend to amount to nothing more than thinly-veiled "well these indigenous people of x, y, and z nation couldn't possibly have used human ingenuity to figure things out".

Isn't that what Atlantis is described as?

I think it's even crazier to think about how ancient Egyptian society lasted for so long that they had their own "ancient Egyptian historians".

kelemvor posted...

If we are talking civilizations older than the last Ice Age, that is what facinates me.

I still think the Egyptian Old Kingdom moved in and took over the pyramids from an earlier civilization (not aliens). No one can explain the saw marks that are all over the quarries. Well, they try to, but then get super defensive and accuse you of being a conspiricy theorist when you point out flaws in the arguments that they used copper chisels to do stuff like this:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/59d2e811.jpg

Doesn't that seem to imply their tech is low?

Why use rocks from some quarry.

Why saw them.

Why make mistakes.

And beyond that pic.

Why show hieroglyphics that imply the stones were transported by hand across the desert?

Doesn't seem that high tech

I dont have a take lol. Itd be neat if true, but honestly theres no way to know one way or the other.

I have 0 tolerance for pseudoscientific bullshit. Instead of "just asking questions, man" try turning up some hard evidence to support your idea, or shut up about it.

aliens

WingsOfGood posted...

Dinosaurs are the old tech

Its true, I saw this on a documentary called The Flinstones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJMZyl6zbKU

I think ancient humans developed advanced techniques for building that we may never figure out, but weren't as advanced in other areas. There are still tribal people who live like they're in the stone age so the passing of 10s of thousands of years doesn't really mean anything as far as developing technology.

People underestimate how long time is.

If all humans suddenly vanished off the face of the earth. Most of our houses and buildings would be caving and falling down in under 100 years. What's 100 years? Nothing. What about millions? 99.999% of evidence we were ever here would eventually be gone.

Just saying nothing would surprise me at this point. We surely aren't the only intelligent life in the universe.

We would know them by their plastics.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/plastic-sign-civilization-180951923/

It's a fun idea, however:

https://youtu.be/-iCIZQX9i1A?si=Wy9SYahiqzbGoMcK

(Just watch this guy in general. He does a good job debunking this kinda shit)

His "my room is cold!" shtick is kind of shitty, though.

DodogamaRayBrst posted...

His "my room is cold!" shtick is kind of shitty, though.

Yeah, I really don't get that.

LeoRavus posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJMZyl6zbKU

I think ancient humans developed advanced techniques for building that we may never figure out, but weren't as advanced in other areas. There are still tribal people who live like they're in the stone age so the passing of 10s of thousands of years doesn't really mean anything as far as developing technology.

Oh yeah that was a good episode. Ancient Aliens was great when it first started out and had some legitimate questions but went off the rails when it got popular and had to make new seasons. Like WW2 Nazis having alien tech for one example.

And someone posted a video a few days ago rebutting by thoughts about the granite cutting. Ive been busy but it's Friday so tonight Ill finally watch it.

There would be evidence in the fossil record.

Zikten posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/fb410027.jpg

That is how some theorize those 3 planets looked billions of years ago. Compared to today. There could have been life on Mars and Venus while Earth was still developing. Then the tables turned and Earth became the sole life bearing planet

Earth had to restart when the small planet Theia collided with it, creating the Moon. And that was like a billion years before Venus looked like it did in that picture. Then Mars' magnetic field weakened and then failed, and lost most of it's atmosphere. Then the Sun's habitable zone expanded beyond Venus, transforming it to what we see today

itachi15243 posted...

Yeah, I really don't get that.

probably cause his room is cold
i'm guessing poor insulation coupled with filming at a time when it's cold

Advanced as in space faring and lasers and shit? No.

Advanced as in had trade, cities, and could explore the world freely, but then some cataclysm occurred and knocked us down a few pegs? Yeah, I'll bite on that.

You'd have to go much further and deeper into Silurian hypothesis stuff to have even a "it was buried under tectonic plates" civilization

Rai_Jin posted...

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001900760001-9.pdf

Context? Alleged astral projection or some shit?

Notti posted...

Why use rocks from some quarry.

they smell what the Rock was cooking

kelemvor posted...

If we are talking civilizations older than the last Ice Age, that is what facinates me.

I still think the Egyptian Old Kingdom moved in and took over the pyramids from an earlier civilization (not aliens). No one can explain the saw marks that are all over the quarries. Well, they try to, but then get super defensive and accuse you of being a conspiricy theorist when you point out flaws in the arguments that they used copper chisels to do stuff like this:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/59d2e811.jpg

they probably just realized not every cut would be 100% perfect and it was much more efficient to just use the imperfect ones instead of wasting days or weeks worth or work

There are gaps in the fossil record of 10s of millions of years, of entire species of our nearest ancestors we have found a fragment of a jawbone.

Plastic does not last forever no matter what you think.

The original ruins of Babylon are already buried so deep they are beneath the water table and largely thought to be lost forever.

Metal corrodes, stones wear away, and plastic disintegrates.

Some ancient civilizations were really smart. A number of civilizations had as good an understanding as they could have without telescopes.
I wouldnt be surprised if some cut up human bodies well enough to better understand anatomy well. However, a good understanding of anatomy is not a good understanding of medicine.
Our ancestors world over figured out a lot things. Our modern knowledges are often the result of building off what our ancestors already did. Sometimes we trashed the knowledge they accumulated and set ourselves back.

rodu_jr posted...

Earth had to restart when the small planet Theia collided with it, creating the Moon. And that was like a billion years before Venus looked like it did in that picture. Then Mars' magnetic field weakened and then failed, and lost most of it's atmosphere. Then the Sun's habitable zone expanded beyond Venus, transforming it to what we see today

And that's what makes it even more interesting because didn't Venus and Mars have millions of years of history before dying? It makes you wonder if they had civilizations that ended up coming here, but only a small group of them made it to Earth, to populate it and a lot of their knowledge was lost along the way as future generations just didn't birth many academic types to upkeep things.

It would be like our missions to Mars that we want to do... only a small group would go, and you know not all children will be like their parents.

thronedfire2 posted...

they probably just realized not every cut would be 100% perfect and it was much more efficient to just use the imperfect ones instead of wasting days or weeks worth or work

I read an article saying that the bottom part they were trying to cut away was meant to be the sarcophagus's lid and it probably accidentally broke in half in the process.

kinetika_ posted...

And that's what makes it even more interesting because didn't Venus and Mars have millions of years of history before dying? It makes you wonder if they had civilizations that ended up coming here,

There's no reason to wonder this.

DodogamaRayBrst posted...

There's no reason to wonder this.

Someone wondered how to make a PC, the internet, a car, how to send a human into space, as well. There were no reasons to wonder any of those things, but we did it anyway. Same as the Wright Brothers wondered how they, too, could fly like the birds.

Decades of technological advancement and understanding preceded those wonderings.

I just want to visit morlans famous shop. He has good things! yes

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/c3f868a3.jpg

DodogamaRayBrst posted...

There's no reason to wonder this.

Other than, you know, being curious.

at the same time, you don't want to end up like a dead cat

thronedfire2 posted...

they probably just realized not every cut would be 100% perfect and it was much more efficient to just use the imperfect ones instead of wasting days or weeks worth or work

And if they were soooooo advanced they wouldn't be making those mistakes, in rocks.

mustachedmystic posted...

There would be evidence in the fossil record.

There would be.

And if they were even more advanced than us (unlikely) it'd be even more obvious.

A city like Atlantis is a silly idea just to hide the obvious lack of evidence.

the aliens were savvy enough to destroy the evidence