Current Events > not enough ppl are talking about the mandatory military service the right wants

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You. Support. Mandatory. Military. Service.

What kind of debate is there to have? What leftist group do you think YOU represent?

Alright everyone take a deep breath.

Marvel, do you understand why people are taking exception to what you said?

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This guy is going "Ah-ha, an alt!" at me for decrying mandatory military service

Whoda thunk

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Alright Umbreon you see how this proves my point right

They refuse to accept why people have a problem with what they're arguing, and instead we're being "overdramatic" and dogpiling

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You don't think anyone ITT has a valid concern with mandatory military service and that everyone is opposed to it for no legitimate reason?

AceMos posted...

there is only ONE reason to want to vastly increase our number of soldiers

war

Indoctrination
Projecting power
Justifying military bloat so the private sector can steal more money from the taxpayers
etc

AceMos posted...

aka learn to respect the capitalistic system and do what your told with out question

Did you seriously just imply everyone with military training are unthinking cogs in a machine and are brainwashed?

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There's a point to be made that, despite saying you don't support it, you are saying that people arguing against it are being "overdramatic" and "dogging" you. We made our arguments against it, and you refused them and said we're being overdramatic. That comes off as support, even if you didn't mean it that way.

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I don't think you understand what the military is

You don't exactly get to be a free thinker in the military. You are specifically taught to obey orders

WTF has happened in this topic

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No.

"Typical CE, while sometimes accurate, is lazy thinking. It's a rubber stamped thought.

Initially, three people disagreed with you but didn't outright attack you for it. You yourself already admitted that the motive for mandatory military service is extremely suspect considered who exactly wants it.

So why is your argument "Well maybe it will make people less likely to be warhawks" when you already know those types are the least likely to be forced into it in the first place?

People jumped on you because you continued to argue for the merits of forced military service, despite already knowing how it would likely be used in America. It working out relatively well in other countries is irrelevant when, if the gop get their way, ours will be ran by a fascist.

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Notice you are now so far the only person to actually directly insult somebody

AceMos posted...

your logic falls apart when you realize millitary service ingrains a sense of adherence to authority

Youve clearly never served if you think that it works.

A conscript army is not as effective as an all volunteer army. Conscripts aren't as productive, require additional supervision, and sometimes might just shoot those appointed over them.

Robot2600 posted...

we're pushing 40 here

Do you only care about yourself?

I'd never get conscripted, I'm over 40 and have shit knees. I still am anti-conscription.

Cacciato posted...

Youve clearly never served if you think that it works.

Cacciato

And apparently youve never been in the military long enough to grasp the politicization that occurs at higher levels when it comes to rank progression.

but Im sure youll ignore this and go on some other dumbass tangent that exposes your lack of knowledge on certain issues.

Hey is this you arguing almost the exact opposite of what you're now trying to say in this topic? Just wondering, since you were arguing against somebody arguing soldiers will disobey orders they find unjust...

AceMos posted...

WTF has happened in this topic

not enough ppl are talking about ImAMarvels bad take on mandatory military service

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What did you provide for me to refute?

They're also not talking about the nuclear testing they want to do.

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You stated a bunch of feels

I obviously can't refute your feels

If you have facts you want me to refute go ahead and post them

I think what the lost child is trying to say is that he thinks a compulsory period of civil service is a good idea and military service would fall under that umbrella.

SaikyoStyle posted...

I think what the lost child is trying to say is that he thinks a compulsory period of civil service is a good idea and military service would fall under that umbrella.

Sure but plenty of people now have tried to explain why it's not that simple and all they've done is reply with "CE is overdramatic"

So like what else are we supposed to do

Dudebusters posted...

Cacciato

Hey is this you arguing almost the exact opposite of what you're now trying to say in this topic? Just wondering, since you were arguing against somebody arguing soldiers will disobey orders they find unjust...

Im curious as to what you think the distribution of age and rank is across the entirety of the services, and the differences that occur when certain long-serving individuals are required to make decisions as opposed to the general rank-and-file. But Id hate to interrupt your meltdown.

Dudebusters posted...

Sure but plenty of people now have tried to explain why it's not that simple and all they've done is reply with "CE is overdramatic"

So like what else are we supposed to do

Tell him that he has failed to provide a convincing argument for his point and leave it at that.

SaikyoStyle posted...

Tell him that he has failed to provide a convincing argument for his point and leave it at that.

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I mean

They fully believe they have provided a convincing argument in support of mandatory military service

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Perhaps it is, but that's irrelevant to the response you gave being the easy, non reflective answer.

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Because you tried to explain why in some cases it may not be so bad. That makes it look like you're trying to downplay the terribleness of it. Perhaps that wasn't your intent, but that's how it was seen.

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If I was trying to intentionally misconstruct your argument, why the hell would I attempt to reach out to you? Yes there are poor people who are warhawks, but the loudest pro-war types tend to be the ones who are immune to the draft.

Or too old for it. Poor people in general though are largely not going to have a taste for war because they know they're much more likely to be dragged into it.

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The point people are making is that it shouldn't happen period. You're trying to find silver linings on something people are 200% against. Even the silver lining you stated would involve people dying. The wealthy rarely suffer as much during war. Not unless people are dragging them out of their homes.

TIL 66 countries have mandatory military service

Didn't read the whole topic, but I'm guessing TC means something like a civil service corp should be mandatory maybe?

But there are other countries that have mandatory military service such as Switzerland and I think Sweden?

Dudebusters posted...

I mean

They fully believe they have provided a convincing argument in support of mandatory military service

Well they havent. What do you want me to do about it?

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I mean c'mon

SaikyoStyle posted...

Well they havent. What do you want me to do about it?

Understand I will respond as I see fit? I ask no more.

emblem-man posted...

Didn't read the whole topic, but I'm guessing TC means something like a civil service corp should be mandatory maybe?

But there are other countries that have mandatory military service such as Switzerland and I think Sweden?

And wouldn't military service during peace time end up just being people doing boring base tasks the majority of the time?

Obviously the question is, what about during war time.

Dudebusters posted...

Understand I will respond as I see fit? I ask no more.

Its your dime.

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Upending the status quo to return to a previous state because of the perceived benefits to society kinda seems like the definition of reactionism to me.

Okay but like you get why people are adamantly against mandatory military service right? Like regardless of potential silver linings, do you understand why people don't want to even risk it? Keep in mind that initial response to you were perfectly fine.

AceMos posted...

there is only ONE reason to want to vastly increase our number of soldiers

war

THE FOLLOWING IS JUST MY SPECULATION

and i suspect mexico will be there first target with the justification of "its the only way to stop the boarder crisis"

I think you're half right. They want the increased military to deal with the border crisis, but the troops will stay on our side of the border. They want a military state, using the military to search for immigrants to deport.