Current Events > Egg on my face, Kamala Harris may win this thing.

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I am honestly FLOORED at the support Harris has received in the last week.

• Just south of 200m in donations.
• Actual ads that address conservatives being shit
• Endorsements left right and center
• Straw grasping about her laugh of all things by the right.

Definitely thought that without the incumbency advantage we were fucked.

But this level of democratic support, in just these few weeks, isn't something I've seen in my lifetime. It's truly inspiring. Definitely thought America's grossness ran too deep but this is unprecedented. (Afaik)

she will have record-low support from latino men as a democrat presidential candidate and it will doom her in arizona at the very least

Also JD Vances comments on women tanking the trump bid.

did you also have egg on your face when you thought the old guy would stay in the run despite being so old

or do you now admit that you never believed in the old man to begin with

KhlavicLanguage posted...

she will have record-low support from latino men as a democrat presidential candidate and it will doom her in arizona at the very least

Even if she picks Kelly?

KhlavicLanguage posted...

she will have record-low support from latino men as a democrat presidential candidate and it will doom her in arizona at the very least

I don't know about that since women voters there are particularly fired up. It also helps that Kari Lake will be screwing the GOP even more by driving away more moderate folks into Kamala's arms.

hope the dems don't get over confident again, that was part of how they lost in 2016

Time posted...

hope the dems don't get over confident again, that was part of how they lost in 2016

I don't think anyone is confident right now. And while the odds are looking better than they did with Biden they are not looking that much better.

Few weeks. It hasn't even been a full week. She is a member of the current administration she should get some kind of incumbent advantage.

Trump also doing NOTHING with his assassination attempt to increase his appeal, draw in swing voters, or create significant gun legislation as a talking point has hurt his chances A BIT.

You have reports of Trump voters jumping ship, Haley voters going for Harris now. There's momentum here for Harris, it's not just a honeymoon stage like right wing pundits say it is. We need to support, protect and vote for this woman.

Time posted...

hope the dems don't get over confident again, that was part of how they lost in 2016

Given swing state polling (which I don't believe even takes into account gerrymandered districts), we have no reason to be over confident and every reason to stay concerned.

GuerrillaSoldier posted...

did you also have egg on your face when you thought the old guy would stay in the run despite being so old

or do you now admit that you never believed in the old man to begin with

Both Biden's potential path to victory when he dropped out and Kamala's current path were/are, again, very much reasons to be concerned. When Democrats failed to stand behind Biden as their candidate, there wasn't much left he could do to re-instill trust in moderate voters. While he's just a politician I never met at the end of the day, my trust in him is great enough for me to believe he made the decision to drop out in the best interest of Americans because that is what the current climate has been demanding.

Biden dropping out is the best thing thats happened. We were doomed if he had stayed

KhlavicLanguage posted...

she will have record-low support from latino men as a democrat presidential candidate and it will doom her in arizona at the very least

i dont see why she would have awful support among latino men

We're still in that nice transition period where the Right Wing Media Cinematic Universe is still thinking up new snappy slogans and talking points to be recited endlessly on cable news channels, talk radio, and boomer facebook feeds near you.

It'll be back to business as usual once they get their marching orders.

I saw a Reuters poll showing Harris ahead of Trump.

Time posted...

hope the dems don't get over confident again, that was part of how they lost in 2016

Oh I think the confident one this time around is Trump. Harris has a more unifying message against Trump's bitter rants and non-message (because Project 2025/Agenda47 is SUPER unpopular to carry around the country). Trump's been bleeding support since Jan 6 and the reversal on Roe v Wade, which he is proud of.

She comes from an incumbent administration with gains in the economy and significant policy change. They are on the cusp of clinching a foreign policy win and it's looking likely that RFK will not be a spoiler candidate. She's in a strong position so it's very satisfying to see her work each day to earn this responsibility.

Nok_Su_Kow posted...

Oh I think the confident one this time around is Trump. Harris has a more unifying message against Trump's bitter rants and non-message (because Project 2025/Agenda47 is SUPER unpopular to carry around the country). Trump's been bleeding support since Jan 6 and the reversal on Roe v Wade, which he is proud of.

She comes from an incumbent administration with gains in the economy and significant policy change. They are on the cusp of clinching a foreign policy win and it's looking likely that RFK will not be a spoiler candidate.

The simple fact that JD Vance was chosen shows Trump's hubris is at an all-time high (or at least was, this time last week).

masterpug53 posted...

The simple fact that JD Vance was chosen shows Trump's hubris is at an all-time high (or at least was, this time last week).

Absolutely no strategic thought process with that pick. That's definitely his over confidence showing.

Correct me if Im wrong, but dont most polls still show Trump winning?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80816570

I hope you guys are right, but lets not get overconfident here.

masterpug53 posted...

The simple fact that JD Vance was chosen shows Trump's hubris is at an all-time high (or at least was, this time last week).

What was the reason they even picked him? He genuinely comes across as a complete dolt and will probably be a liability in a debate when he's expected to apply logic to his stances.

Hejiru posted...

Correct me if Im wrong, but dont most polls still show Trump winning?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80816570

I hope you guys are right, but lets not get overconfident here.

Reminder that polls are snapshots and are garbage at predicting election results, especially for how close they fluctuate from week to week.

Hejiru posted...

Correct me if Im wrong, but dont most polls still show Trump winning?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80816570

I hope you guys are right, but lets not get overconfident here.

yes but there has been a considerable shift already, and we are still only a few days out from the switch. You'd be surprised how many americans didnt even know who the VP is until sunday. As days go by and Kamala is able to introduce herself and people get more familiarized with her, i expect that trend in the early polls to continue

-Crissaegrim- posted...

What was the reason they even picked him? He genuinely comes across as a complete dolt and will probably be a liability in a debate when he's expected to apply logic to his stances.

It's literally because Trump likes that he's an "ass kisser", his words not mine.

-Crissaegrim- posted...

What was the reason they even picked him? He genuinely comes across as a complete dolt and will probably be a liability in a debate when he's expected to apply logic to his stances.

He's a Trump-slurping Yes, Man pushed by Thiel and the Heritage Foundation to ensure that Project 2025 goes through. Also, Vance said he would refuse to certify any Democrat electoral victories.

Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

yes but there has been a considerable shift already, and we are still only a few days out from the switch. You'd be surprised how many americans didnt even know who the VP is until sunday. As days go by and Kamala is able to introduce herself and people get more familiarized with her, i expect that trend in the early polls to continue

A few months of having a relatively normal, relatable candidate in the race when there was previously only a pyshcotic clown VS a reanimated corpse will probably have a big impact on the undecideds.

Nok_Su_Kow posted...

Absolutely no strategic thought process with that pick. That's definitely his over confidence showing.

I saw an article in the news (so you know, take it with a grain of salt) that said he was the strategic pick in the event that they were confident in a win against Biden. I guess the post debate polls showed them they had a good enough advantage over Biden, and thats when Trump made the call to finalize him as his choice.

Im guessing the thought process was likely just the more likely we are to win, the more extremist we can go, but still this is the strategic pick for them.

-Crissaegrim- posted...

What was the reason they even picked him? He genuinely comes across as a complete dolt and will probably be a liability in a debate when he's expected to apply logic to his stances.

In the weeks leading up the RNC, I assumed Vance was a lock simply because he was kissing Trump's ass the hardest, and didn't offend Trump personally by being a woman / minority / confirmed bachelor; and Trump gets what Trump wants as far as the GOP is concerned. Little to nothing since has surfaced to refute this opinion.

SaltyWet posted...

Also JD Vances comments on women tanking the trump bid.

Vance is a complete lunatic. He's only where he is because he's buddies with a billionaire who goes out of his way to get him through doors for whatever reason.

I would honestly be scared living here if he came into a real position of power. I hope whoever really runs this show behind the scenes makes damn sure that fuck never reaches the highest office.

Once people realized it isn't a fight between two 80 year old dementia patients again, they seem to be gravitating towards Kamala.

KhlavicLanguage posted...

she will have record-low support from latino men as a democrat presidential candidate and it will doom her in arizona at the very least

Picking Kelly as her running mate would likely solve this issue

Keep Shapiro in PA

I said it a few years ago, its almost like Trump is actively trying to sabotage his own campaign, and then when he doesn't win the election, he scrambles to try and win it again. Like the pressure of having a home run isn't good enough for him.

Same, I was dreading the possibility of Biden stepping down because I didn't think anyone else could gather enough support this close to the election. But I'm very pleased to see that it worked out so well. Now I see that him stepping aside was the best choice, but I don't think many people saw this level of support happening.

I cant make that call until Harris has a named VP. While most people expect it being Shapiro or Kelly there could be someone else and even between these two I think there can be quite different results.

I know CE went from doomer and topics about where people were moving to being almost overconfident and full of joy laughing about how the republicans are in shambles and paralyzed with fear but at the end of the day Im waiting to see real world results over general feelings on CE.

I just dont easily gloss over how misogynistic and how racist America can be and the fact its a black woman Im just skeptical of the average American voter. Its easy to dismiss the right as the only ones who feel this way but I know too many from the left that have stupid opinions about women being able to lead.

Ultimately I do think shes in a better position, but Im just not sure if its good enough to win. Again I want to see the VP pick. Shapiro bringing in PA would certainly be helpful.

For debates sake if it was something like Buttigieg I think it would be disastrous and you wouldnt win in 2024 with black woman and gay man on a ticket. Again I dont think he has any real shot at being VP Im just showing VP certainly matters and until I see the pick its kind of a shoulder shrug for me.

And ignoring all of this, the reality is most voters arent very informed and quite dumb. She can win a debate and humiliate Trump with facts at every turn and have the right policy and do everything right and alls it takes is one bad meme, one wrong outfit and a chunk of voters will be like I dont like her and if it happens in a key swing state it can be a disaster. I just have such little faith in the average citizen.

I hope she crushes him though. It would shatter his ego losing to a woman. The 1st woman President.

I honestly feel like Biden was done dirty. They should have decided a long tine ago if he were going to drop out.

Looking at Obama's sentiments, it really shines a light on just how much Biden did for us. He was a great president who did deserve another term if he wanted it. He did a great job of tryibg to clean up the mess Trump left behind.

If Biden were a lesser man, he could have done all kinds of things to Trump after they announced presidents have immunity. He never abused his power and always exercised restraint. And he decided to step down to give the democrats a better chance to win it than they seemed to have with him. He put the needs of his party and the American people before himself. In my eyes this man is a goddamn saint who we were lucky to have as our leader while we did.

I still support Harris, and am onboard with the change overall. But I don't think the democrats should have announced their doubts about Biden in public. This should have been kept private. It only makes your house look weak when you appear divided. They always should have publicly supported Biden either way and stood behind him.

Sure, he has cognitive decline. But so does Trump. He at least still had way more common sense and a heart that was in the right place. There were still people who were going to vote against Trump either way. I still think he could have won. But it wasn't worth the risk with such high stakes, and that really sucks.

Nok_Su_Kow posted...

Trump also doing NOTHING with his assassination attempt to increase his appeal, draw in swing voters, or create significant gun legislation as a talking point has hurt his chances A BIT.

Thats not true.

They managed to turn it into a conversation about * checks notes * how women shouldn't be police or secret service...

Just_a_loser posted...

I honestly feel like Biden was done dirty. They should have decided a long tine ago if he were going to drop out.

Looking at Obama's sentiments, it really shines a light on just how much Biden did for us. He was a great president who did deserve another term if he wanted it. He did a great job of tryibg to clean up the mess Trump left behind.

If Biden were a lesser man, he could have done all kinds of things to Trump after they announced presidents have immunity. He never abused his power and always exercised restraint. And he decided to step down to give the democrats a better chance to win it than they seemed to have with him. He put the needs of his party and the American people before himself. In my eyes this man is a goddamn saint who we were lucky to have as our leader while we did.

I still support Harris, and am onboard with the change overall. But I don't think the democrats should have announced their doubts about Biden in public. This should have been kept private. It only makes your house look weak when you appear divided. They always should have publicly supported Biden either way and stood behind him.

Sure, he has cognitive decline. But so does Trump. He at least still had way more common sense and a heart that was in the right place. There were still people who were going to vote against Trump either way. I still think he could have won. But it wasn't worth the risk with such high stakes, and that really sucks.

Yeah but that's censorship!

In all seriousness, this post and the one above that also describe my feelings on the situation pretty well. Only thing I might differ on is that nobody deserves any term for presidency and I don't think Biden gave us the impression he thought so, or at least not with regard to a second term.

Just_a_loser posted...

I still support Harris, and am onboard with the change overall. But I don't think the democrats should have announced their doubts about Biden in public. This should have been kept private.

They tried to and did keep it private until they let him go out there and debate for the whole world to see, when they absolutely knew how bad it was. After that there was no hiding it anymore

Shadow_Don posted...

Thats not true.

They managed to turn it into a conversation about * checks notes * how women shouldn't be police or secret service...

They also created the new fashion statement of awkardly wearing tampons on their faces.

The Republicans sure are a strange group...

Hejiru posted...

Correct me if Im wrong, but dont most polls still show Trump winning?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80816570

I hope you guys are right, but lets not get overconfident here.

They also show Harris rapidly regaining the ground that Biden lost.

It's not a sure thing, but unlike Biden, she at least has a decent chance.

CE underestimated how unpopular Biden was to the point that many didnt care if Trump came back even if they didnt like him as well.

CARRRNE_ASADA posted...

CE underestimated how unpopular Biden was to the point that many didnt care if Trump came back even if they didnt like him as well.

I'm assuming this is satire toward those who were quick to accuse others wanting Biden to drop out as being Trump supporters de facto, so I'll give this a pass.

LoZguy709 posted...

I'm assuming this is satire toward those who were quick to accuse others wanting Biden to drop out as being Trump supporters de facto, so I'll give this a pass.

Think I missed a comma somewhere. I meant that many people from the general population where apathetic to a second Trump admin if Biden was the democrat candidate once again. Biden loyalists from CE failed to see that.

Cemith posted...

Just south of 200m in donations.

According to that one thread with Humble giving us constant updates she's at 210m.

We're witnessing history being made whether she wins or not. Though I really hope she wins.

I'm predicting that Trump will lose the popular vote but will win the electoral college. He will barely win states like Wisconsin and them claim he wanted to win like this since it's harder to do

CARRRNE_ASADA posted...

Think I missed a comma somewhere. I meant that many people from the general population where apathetic to a second Trump admin if Biden was the democrat candidate once again. Biden loyalists from CE failed to see that.

Look, speaking as a 'Biden loyalist,' I'd be perfectly happy eating every ounce of crow y'all could feed me from now until election day if the people here who pushed for Biden to drop out had managed to successfully actualize a clear alternative plan they'd laid out, instead of just panicking and hoping for the best. It's truly amazing that we got so lucky with how the last week has played out, and I haven't felt this optimistic about the future in a long time. But too many people on CE lately are acting like taking a shot in the dark and hitting a bullseye somehow makes them world-class marksmen.

masterpug53 posted...

Look, speaking as a 'Biden loyalist,' I'd be perfectly happy eating every ounce of crow y'all could feed me from now until election day if the people here who pushed for Biden to drop out had managed to successfully actualize a clear alternative plan they'd laid out, instead of just panicking and hoping for the best. It's truly amazing that we got so lucky with how the last week has played out, and I haven't felt this optimistic about the future in a long time. But too many people on CE lately are acting like taking a shot in the dark and hitting a bullseye somehow makes them world-class marksmen.

Yeah, the people wanting to rub it in the faces of others about being right in Biden dropping out, like the Democrats in Congress calling for him to drop out, had no plan afterwards other than hoping a chaotic and contentious convention would bring forth some mythical Dem candidate all voters could rally behind, if they even expressed that much.

Like Congressional Dems, the vast majority were calling for Biden to drop out with no verbalized plan or candidate to follow (oh, other than the ones who said and still say they're not going to run in 2024, of course). It was pure hopium riding on "anybody other than Biden will carry us to victory".

And I stand by that (almost) anyone would have been better than Biden. He would have been a guaranteed loss; it's a case of no chance vs some chance.

Getting someone as good as Harris, instead of solely "better than Biden", is just a bonus.

CARRRNE_ASADA posted...

Think I missed a comma somewhere. I meant that many people from the general population where apathetic to a second Trump admin if Biden was the democrat candidate once again. Biden loyalists from CE failed to see that.

I think I get what you're saying now. The non-political public was so discouraged by how the Democratic Party was appearing weak, and by way of their ignorance of things like Project 2025, was ready to let Trump take the White House.

masterpug53 posted...

Look, speaking as a 'Biden loyalist,' I'd be perfectly happy eating every ounce of crow y'all could feed me from now until election day if the people here who pushed for Biden to drop out had managed to successfully actualize a clear alternative plan they'd laid out, instead of just panicking and hoping for the best. It's truly amazing that we got so lucky with how the last week has played out, and I haven't felt this optimistic about the future in a long time. But too many people on CE lately are acting like taking a shot in the dark and hitting a bullseye somehow makes them world-class marksmen.

I just hope they can prove they're ready to put more pro-Harris and anti-Trump energy out there than the anti-Biden messages that were dominating the past couple weeks.