Current Events > The Dead Rising remaster is literally unplayable.

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Vyrulisse posted...

Or maybe it's not about that itself but the overall theme of censorship but nah we need to minimize and be reductionist to avoid any actual conversation right?

This

Lmfao @ people defending censorship, should be ashamed of yourselves

if this is what they intended to do and it is how they are developing and releasing the game then I fail to see how this is a case of "censorship"

its so stupid what histrionic whiners turned the definition of "censorship" into

80GearCrimson posted...

if this is what they intended to do and it is how they are developing and releasing the game then I fail to see how this is a case of "censorship"

You are saying this on the basis of merely agreeing with what they censor, rather than any consistent definition of censorship.

myusernameislame posted...

What "actual conversation" are you offering?

I'd like to hear the argument of why you should be able to upskirt zombies and how it actually benefits the game as well

Please enlighten us all

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Evening_Dragon posted...

You are saying this on the basis of merely agreeing with what they censor, rather than any consistent definition of censorship.

is it censorship when Insomniac remastered Spider-Man and changed Peter's face? like i dont get why a developer self-selecting what a re-release of theirs has is being regarded as "censorship"

i think you know me enough to know that's a genuine question and not a gotcha

Evening_Dragon posted...

You are saying this on the basis of merely agreeing with what they censor, rather than any consistent definition of censorship.

unless something in the game is actually censored after the fact or if the developers say something was censored then i have no reason to call it "censored".

Dungeater posted...

is it censorship when Insomniac remastered Spider-Man and changed Peter's face? like i dont get why a developer self-selecting what a re-release of theirs has is being regarded as "censorship"

i think you know me enough to know that's a genuine question and not a gotcha

He probably won't reply so I will to some degree. Merriam Webster defines "censor" as "to suppress or delete as objectionable". Did anyone consider Peter Parker's face "objectionable"? I suppose given some of the replies in this thread, people considered the erotica category in Dead Rising as "objectionable" even though I heard literally no complaints about it until now. Synonyms provided include the phrase clean up which they define as "free from offensive treatment of sexual subjects and from the use of obscenity" which I believe is self explanatory, bowdlerize which is defined as "to expurgate (something, such as a book) by omitting or modifying parts considered vulgar", and expurgate which is defined as "to cleanse of something morally harmful, offensive, or erroneous" which I don't think Pete's face is considered vulgar or morally harmful while Erotic content is considered such by certain individuals. None of the above mention the need for an external government body as a requirement for it to be considered censorship.

dancing_cactuar posted...

He probably won't reply so I will to some degree. Merriam Webster defines "censor" as "to suppress or delete as objectionable". Did anyone consider Peter Parker's face "objectionable"? I suppose given some of the replies in this thread, people considered the erotica category in Dead Rising as "objectionable" even though I heard literally no complaints about it until now. Synonyms provided include the phrase clean up which they define as "free from offensive treatment of sexual subjects and from the use of obscenity" which I believe is self explanatory, bowdlerize which is defined as "to expurgate (something, such as a book) by omitting or modifying parts considered vulgar", and expurgate which is defined as "to cleanse of something morally harmful, offensive, or erroneous" which I don't think Pete's face is considered vulgar or morally harmful while Erotic content is considered such by certain individuals. None of the above mention the need for an external government body as a requirement for it to be considered censorship.

Guide's a genuine guy so I'm sure he'll respond in earnest

also, i dont really think this is relevant, as it seemingly isnt in response to anything other than their own change in vision

dancing_cactuar posted...

He probably won't reply so I will to some degree. Merriam Webster defines "censor" as "to suppress or delete as objectionable". Did anyone consider Peter Parker's face "objectionable"? I suppose given some of the replies in this thread, people considered the erotica category in Dead Rising as "objectionable" even though I heard literally no complaints about it until now. Synonyms provided include the phrase clean up which they define as "free from offensive treatment of sexual subjects and from the use of obscenity" which I believe is self explanatory, bowdlerize which is defined as "to expurgate (something, such as a book) by omitting or modifying parts considered vulgar", and expurgate which is defined as "to cleanse of something morally harmful, offensive, or erroneous" which I don't think Pete's face is considered vulgar or morally harmful while Erotic content is considered such by certain individuals. None of the above mention the need for an external government body as a requirement for it to be considered censorship.

It's open to interpretation whether it's being considered "objectionable." "Tasteless" isn't the same thing as "objectionable."

Kinda disappointed they removed it

Sure it was weird I guess, but we're all weird in our own way and different video games have their own brand of "weird"

dancing_cactuar posted...

Merriam Webster defines "censor" as "to suppress or delete as objectionable".

i feel like "censorship" implies like it's done by an outside force. some entity telling them to remove it.

this is them just doing it of their own free will cause they don't really care for it anymore

Mr_Karate_II posted...

The amount of people upset over this is funny and very telling of what kind of people they are.

tbf, the same can be said over people actually being upset over such a minor joke feature in a dark and irreverent black comedy game that was meant to parody consumer culture. Dead Rising had a number of issues I've seen a lot of criticism over the years about but this was one I practically never heard about. If this is what they're prioritizing (and even advertising as a draw?) I hope they've got everything else ironed out and have substantial new content to make up for it instead of just removals.
But the facts like them using the RE engine, revamped controls, and still using the DR4 voice actor instead of TJ Rotolo isn't boding well.

GiftedACIII posted...

tbf, the same can be said over people actually being upset over such a minor joke feature in a dark and irreverent black comedy game that was meant to parody consumer culture. Dead Rising had a number of issues I've seen a lot of criticism over the years about but this was one I practically never heard about. If this is what they're prioritizing (and even advertising as a draw?) I hope they've got everything else ironed out and have substantial new content to make up for it instead of just removals.
But the facts like them using the RE engine, revamped controls, and still using the DR4 voice actor instead of TJ Rotolo isn't boding well.

Why are you assuming that it was taken out because people were "upset"? How does an article reporting on it mean they're "advertising" it? The Famitsu article is a full in-depth preview.

s0nicfan posted...

I have having lived through conservative Christian soccer moms trying to ban this kind of stuff in the 90s only to see the exact opposite side demand the same shit 20 years later.

that is not what is happening thoe

christian soccer moms are still the ones pushing for censorship of everything

thing is actual porn games exist now

its just cringy to see this stuff in none porn related games it always was

all it did is make women feel uncomfortable playing games

myusernameislame posted...

Why are you assuming that it was taken out because people were "upset"? How does an article reporting on it mean they're "advertising" it? The Famitsu article is a full in-depth preview.

That was more a response to his post that people are upset over the removal itself rather than just questioning its necessity and priorities. Obviously if it's just the creators themselves not being comfortable with it it's perfectly fair for them to do what they desire but if it's in an attempt to appeal to a "broader audience" that was the entire hubris and reason why DR4 was such a disaster. And that's why I put a question mark as I wasn't sure of the context of the report.

AceMos posted...

that is not what is happening thoe

christian soccer moms are still the ones pushing for censorship of everything

thing is actual porn games exist now

its just cringy to see this stuff in none porn related games it always was

all it did is make women feel uncomfortable playing games

Ace, you are fully aware that sexual content =/= pornography. It can easily just be jokes or commentary on the setting. Do you think all the porn jokes and sexually charged dialogue in Hazbin Hotel is cringy and an issue that should be removed?

GiftedACIII posted...

Ace, you are fully aware that sexual content =/= pornography. It can easily just be jokes or commentary on the setting. Do you think all the porn jokes and sexually charged dialogue in Hazbin Hotel is cringy and an issue that should be removed?

hazbin hotel was built on those concepts

thats my exact point

dead rising is not about taking photos of women its about killing zombies

and near as i can tell you can still take the photos anyways you just dont get rewarded for it anymore

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/053d0c66.jpg

not sure why you deleted this but

the developers are the ones who did this

I deleted it cause I decided it wasn't relevant

cause like you said, it was the developers choice.

I wonder if they will remove the Cheryl photoshoot as well.

AceMos posted...

hazbin hotel was built on those concepts

thats my exact point

dead rising is not about taking photos of women its about killing zombies

and near as i can tell you can still take the photos anyways you just dont get rewarded for it anymore

You see Hazbin Hotel as pornography instead of it using it as part of the setting? Dead Rising isn't primarily about killing zombies. That's one of the main misconceptions that DR4 (and 3 to an extent) had too. It's a parody on consumerism (which is the whole reason the outbreaks start), which sex plays a big part of. Strip clubs are a prominent location in the games, you can use dildos as weapons, you can gain exp by doing strip dances on poles.

GiftedACIII posted...

It's a parody on consumerism

it's a game and it's primary gameplay is killing zombies...

you are thinking of the movie Dawn of the Dead

dead rising is definitely a take on the same ground as dawn of the dead, they arent mutually exclusive

this line seems like a non sequitur tho so who cares

it's similar so far as they both take place in a mall full of zombies.

but the game is not hammering home any kind of message outside of "here is a mall full of zombies for you to kill and missions to complete, have fun".

AceMos posted...

dead rising is about killing zombies

This line of thinking is what brought us the train wreck known as Dead Rising 4.

GiftedACIII posted...

You see Hazbin Hotel as pornography instead of it using it as part of the setting? Dead Rising isn't primarily about killing zombies. That's one of the main misconceptions that DR4 (and 3 to an extent) had too. It's a parody on consumerism (which is the whole reason the outbreaks start), which sex plays a big part of. Strip clubs are a prominent location in the games, you can use dildos as weapons, you can gain exp by doing strip dances on poles.

no my point was hazbin hotel is built on edgy cringe humor

so cringe works in it

if dead rising is a critique of consumerism then what does taking upskirt shots of women have to do with that

photos that from what i can tell you can still take just not get a reward for it

80GearCrimson posted...

it's similar so far as they both take place in a mall full of zombies.

but the game is not hammering home any kind of message outside of "here is a mall full of zombies for you to kill and missions to complete, have fun".

thats simply not true. the virus and zombies themselves are completely commodified, it's not subtle

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/1c10131f.jpg

myusernameislame posted...

What "actual conversation" are you offering?

I cant take up skirt shots of fictional dead women! This is censorship to the extreme!

AceMos posted...

if dead rising is a critique of consumerism then what does taking upskirt shots of women have to do with that

I know the board was hit with the no horny bat, but did you forget that there are several websites out there (which I can't name out of risk of moderation) whose express purpose is to funnel money out of people that want to see lewd photos and videos of women.

80GearCrimson posted...

it's a game and it's primary gameplay is killing zombies...

you are thinking of the movie Dawn of the Dead

Dead Rising was greatly inspired by both that and Shaun of the Dead and is way more blatant about being a parody than the former. Did you even play the game? The zombies are literal jokes that are less deadly than humans, many survivors (which is the actual meat of the content that you're supposed to do) care more about their material possessions than their own wellbeing. The entire outbreak was because of an experiment on making more meat goes wrong and the villain tells Frank that his village died all just to feed America's endless belly.

AceMos posted...

no my point was hazbin hotel is built on edgy cringe humor

so cringe works in it

if dead rising is a critique of consumerism then what does taking upskirt shots of women have to do with that

photos that from what i can tell you can still take just not get a reward for it

Uh, so is Dead Rising. The gameplay of Dead Rising takes itself less seriously than HH. Seriously, it's really sounding like neither of you have actually played the games. Like I said, sex is a big part of consumerism. Having "erotica" for taking shots of zombies is the same kind of satirical humor as to why Frank can get drama points photographing survivors tied up as a hostage (instead of you know, helping them), brutality points for zombies pinning a survivor and eating them or even an angry survivor retaliating after Frank himself attacks them, and of course outtake for things like photographing zombies slipping on mustard.

Im gonna say it.

Hazbin Hotel sucks donkey balls.

GiftedACIII posted...

Dead Rising was greatly inspired by both that and Shaun of the Dead and is way more blatant about being a parody than the former. Did you even play the game?

yes, i did play it. I actually contributed a review for the Wii version on this very site.

GiftedACIII posted...

Like I said, sex is a big part of consumerism.

i don't think anyone complaining about the erotica pics being taken out is arguing that it diminishes the "consumerism" message...

I mean if you want to say the game is a commentary on consumerism then just point to the game being in a mall. point to the human enemies you yourself say are more worried about their possessions than anything else (although I just believe they are crazy people with no other message other than that. they are called "psychopaths" after all.) not being rewarded for zombie upskirt shots is not going to take away or lessen that message...

Dungeater posted...

is it censorship when Insomniac remastered Spider-Man and changed Peter's face? like i dont get why a developer self-selecting what a re-release of theirs has is being regarded as "censorship"

i think you know me enough to know that's a genuine question and not a gotcha

Do you think changing spider's face has the same meaning behind it as removing this aspect of the game? Like, what do you define as censorship? I don't have a meaning of censorship that is determined by whether or not it was in-house.

Dungeater posted...

Guide's a genuine guy so I'm sure he'll respond in earnest

also, i dont really think this is relevant, as it seemingly isnt in response to anything other than their own change in vision

Appreciate that

Actually I meant to respond a while ago but then I saw I didn't send, and then I accidentally went back a page and deleted my response, so

For the record, it is about definitions and meanings with me, it usually is.

Also my accounts aren't pinging each other like usual, hm.

80GearCrimson posted...

yes, i did play it.

i don't think anyone complaining about the erotica pics being taken out is arguing that it diminishes the "consumerism" message...

I think most people who are criticizing the removal are doing it because they feel it fits the black comedy humor of the gameplay, definitely more than because they actually think taking upskirts of zombies is hot.

GiftedACIII posted...

I think most people who are criticizing the removal are doing it because they feel it fits the black comedy humor of the gameplay, definitely more than because they actually think taking upskirts of zombies is hot.

sorry but "press X to doubt.meme"

s0nicfan posted...

I have having lived through conservative Christian soccer moms trying to ban this kind of stuff in the 90s only to see the exact opposite side demand the same shit 20 years later.

*claps*

GiftedACIII posted...

I think most people who are criticizing the removal are doing it because they feel it fits the black comedy humor of the gameplay, definitely more than because they actually think taking upskirts of zombies is hot.

I simply don't believe you when you say that.

80GearCrimson posted...

sorry but "press X to doubt.meme"

Same with me about you having played the game because if you had you'd quickly get that most of the gameplay isn't remotely serious and as said its satire on consumerism which include sex elements isn't subtle. Or at least only played a little part of it and didn't actually get through most of the story or the scoops. The psychopaths aren't the only humans in the game you know. The sidequest survivors are what I was referring to and they're the actual main challenge of the game. The zombies are literal jokes to goof around with while waiting for the missions or on the way to one.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

I simply don't believe you when you say that.

At worst, they might simply be against it because they just think people are being oversensitive or "snowflakes". If you actually think most people here are sexually into upskirts of zombies then you have a way more cynical view of this board than even I do. This isn't the PS5 board.

People mad about this are probably the same ones mad that the Mass Effect LE changed the camera angle so that it was no longer focused on Miranda's ass when she was talking about her shitty childhood and abusive father.

I mean it WAS weird but frank was fully into it and that helped make his character so memorable.

Like this weird journalist is INTO some zombies and is not bothered at all by being in this mall lmao

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

Probably the worst shit in the game, absolutely a good removal.

Shit was weird, guys. Don't attach yourselves to it.

That was the only reason I liked it. Something would pop up as "erotic" and I'd be thinking "seriously? Oh, Japan. Never change."

loafy013 posted...

People mad about this are probably the same ones mad that the Mass Effect LE changed the camera angle so that it was no longer focused on Miranda's ass when she was talking about her shitty childhood and abusive father.

If they are then that's dumb. To me this is more similar to the non-coomer Silent Hill 2 fans who believe the new design for Maria is less fitting than the original's, even though I personally prefer the new design.

Evening_Dragon posted...

Do you think changing spider's face has the same meaning behind it as removing this aspect of the game? I don't have a meaning of censorship that is determined by whether or not it was in-house.

i just dont see why one is "censorship" and the other isnt, if "censorship" is "developers removing (thing)" as people are implying here

i think censorship requires an outside force, be it public sentiment, governmental, etc. thats why i dont think this is censorship and think the complaints of it being so are bad faith histrionics. seems perfectly consistent to me

i think "self-censorship" carries a much different connotation, and i wouldnt contend with it being used in cases like this