Current Events > Protesters Storm into Democratic After Party Event Following Harris Campaign

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Thanatos_the_Great posted...

Weird how you only apply this principle to the protesters and not to the government they're protesting against, whose bad things are objectively orders of magnitude worse.

Weird how you are applying this moral principle of yours to only one campaign and party (Democrats and Harris)...... and not the other campaign and party (Republicans and Trump) who actively and openly wants to do worse.

Said "principles" you speak of aims to attack and hold accountable only one specific campaign and party (Democrats and Harris), while ignoring Congress is in a deadlock. While also ignorinng the other campaign and party (Republicans and Trump) WANTS you to keep ignoring them and hold them less accountable. The party and campaign your "principles" conveniently ignore, want things far worse Palestinians, nevermind the rest of the non white straight men here in the states.

The Republicans and Trump that your protest principles so happen to ignore, benefits from your "principle." Republicans and Trump don't even have to lift a finger because like always, they are held to less accountability.

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

Weird how you only apply this principle to the protesters and not to the government they're protesting against, whose bad things are objectively orders of magnitude worse.

Crazy how Congress can keep authorizing these arms shipments to Israel when Dems don't even have control of the House.

How's that happening? Oh, both parties are mutually responsible? Perhaps these assholes should be protesting both parties then.

Until they prove they're not an operation to cause issues inside the Dem base, I truly don't give a shit about them. The Palestinians being ethnically cleansed by Israel, absolutely, random assholes throwing a fit on New York streets? Less so. They can fuck all the way off, or actually try to do something instead of being annoying to those that actually feel for their plight.

So until they show up to a Vance rally, they give zero fucks about the Palestinian people, they just want attention.

NatsuSama posted...

Weird how you are applying this moral principle of yours to only one campaign and party (Democrats and Harris)

Because they're the ones in power, who could stop the flow of money and weapons to Israel tomorrow if they chose.

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

Because they're the ones in power, who could stop the flow of money and weapons to Israel tomorrow if they chose.

I'm not teaching a grown man civics.

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

Because they're the ones in power, who could stop the flow of money and weapons to Israel tomorrow if they chose.

Again inaccurate.

Congress can make legislation, and the Dems are NOT in power of the Legislative Branch. But that's inconvenient for your principles to acknowledge holding Trump and the GOP accountable too.

On top of the fact that your "principles" actively aids in helping Trump/Republicans who actively want to do far worse to those so called principles you claim to care about. But again, your "principles" so conveniently dance around holding the GOP/Trump accountable for anything. Your principles can't even recognize the reality of the situation that the GOP, Trump and their efforts in Congress also affects foreign policy.

NatsuSama posted...

Congress can make legislation

Which would be highly relevant if we were talking about giving Israel even more weapons and money, but we aren't.

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

Which would be highly relevant if we were talking about giving Israel even more weapons and money, but we aren't.

Everything Biden has given them has been authorized by Congress.

ClayGuida posted...

Everything Biden has given them has been authorized by Congress.

Just because he's authorised to keep doing it doesn't mean he has to.

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

Which would be highly relevant if we were talking about giving Israel even more weapons and money, but we aren't.

You mean the body of government that also approves funding and weapons going to Israel? The same body of government that, includes a great number of Republicans, who I know it's inconvenient for you to hold to the same level of accountability, also approved those funds, and in fact some of those GOP members think Israel isn't going far enough with the genocide?

Oh I forgot, it's inconvenient for you to acknowledge that given your narrative.

NatsuSama posted...

You mean the body of government that also approves funding and weapons going to Israel? Oh I forgot, it's inconvenient for you to acknowledge that given your narrative.

Not half as inconvenient as it is for your to acknowledge that it takes Congress and the president to authorise it. And the president is a Democrat. (Also you're conveniently ignoring that the Democrats control one half of Congress.)

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

Just because he's authorised to keep doing it doesn't mean he has to.

So you admit that it's bipartisan and Republicans want him doing this too.

So why exactly shouldn't these cowards protest Republicans?

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

Because they're the ones in power, who could stop the flow of money and weapons to Israel tomorrow if they chose.

Congress has control of spending last time I checked.

ClayGuida posted...

So you admit that it's bipartisan and Republicans want him doing this too.

So why exactly shouldn't these cowards protest Republicans?

So you admit that it's bipartisan and the Democratic leadership want to keep doing it too. So why don't those cowards stop collaborating with the Republicans and Trump's genocidal allies in the Israeli government?

Surely theres a compromise here.

Can we all agree that protestors should just stop throwing smoke bombs at crowds of people?

I've said its bipartisan. I said so in the post you quoted.

Are you just trolling here? Spinning wheels? Throwing shit at the walls hoping something sticks?

If they want to be taken seriously, they should head to a Vance rally with 12 people. Until then, they're just Republican operatives who want Trump to win until they prove otherwise.

Reminder, if Harris wins without their help, they no longer matter. There's no longer and reason to give a shit about their concerns.

ClayGuida posted...

Until then, they're just Republican operatives who want Trump to win until they prove otherwise.

I refer you to post number 381.

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

Not half as inconvenient as it is for your to acknowledge that it takes Congress and the president to authorise it. And the president is a Democrat. (Also you're conveniently ignoring that the Democrats control one half of Congress.)

I see reading is tough for you too. Go back and reread all of my posts. None of them say Democrats or the President holds no blame.

It points out your so called principles only holds Democrats, Biden and Kamala accountable but not Republicans, or Vance or Trump to that same standard. Funds for Israel literally cannot pass without Republican support. Literally. Yet it's inconvenient for you to acknowledge and hold the accountable. Trumps actions contributed to the problems of today. Crickets there. Etc etc and these GOP members are in government or in Trumps case influencing it.

Your so called "principles" so happens to ignore protesting Republicans or Trump, who oh btw has openly suggested ramping up the suicide.

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

Also you're conveniently ignoring that the Democrats control one half of Congress.)

Lastly this one is just too precious. I didnt conveniently ignore something thats irrelevant.

Democrats controlling half of Congress doesnt magically make them solely responsible for laws being passed. Laws are not passed just because a party controls half. In fact, your idea of "control" is not even correct given given it doesnt pass laws entirely on majority rule lol. Perhaps educate yourself how the Legislative Branch of government works.

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

I refer you to post number 381.

I can refer you to the close your account page.

We get it, you want Trump to win. There's bound to be hardcore Trump supporters here.

ClayGuida posted...

We get it, you want Trump to win.

Sure, keep parroting that line if it helps you sleep at night.

NatsuSama posted...

"principles" actively aids in helping Trump/Republicans

you all keep saying this and yet polling says otherwise

of course liberals don't live in reality so not surprised you are all confused on this matter

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

Sure, keep parroting that line if it helps you sleep at night.

Ill be charitable and assume you want the best for Gaza.

Wouldnt it make more sense in an election year to ensure the party that wants to glass Gaza doesnt win, then protest the more sympathetic side in power to get what you want?

What you are doing instead is making the sympathetic side harder to win the election and giving the glass Gaza party a free ride. Doesnt that seem counter productive?

AnsestralRecall posted...

you all keep saying this and yet polling says otherwise

of course liberals don't live in reality so not surprised you are all confused on this matter

wut?

bobbycorwin posted...

i dont buy it. If they really cared about the movement they would take the risk.

The fact that they mysteriously leave the worse group for Palestine alone makes me question what their real agenda is.

To the protestors. Sometimes you do have to look the gifthorse in the mouth and ask where the money for tea&crumpets and smokebombs comes from.

Edit from another topic last gave Trump 100 mil to annex West Bank https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miriam_Adelson

bobbycorwin posted...

What you are doing instead is making the sympathetic side harder to win the election

No. They are making it harder for themselves to win the election. Protests are one way to make them understand this (since being polite about it clearly isn't working).

AnsestralRecall posted...

you all keep saying this and yet polling says otherwise

I'm amazed you thought this made sense.

"Yes, we understand that Republicans have openly talked about allowing Israel to nuke Gaza, but let's be real, the true danger is Dems!"

NatsuSama posted...

I'm amazed you thought this made sense.

Pushing for Harris to support an arms embargo is pushing her to adopt policies that would gain her votes

It's not hard

Just found out this woman is the one who got the medal of freedom that caused the recent medal of honor controversy. Look at why she gave him 100 million to his campaign.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miriam_Adelson#:~:text=Miriam%20Adelson%20sought%20support%20from,Palestinian%20Authority%20or%20peace%20accord.

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

No. They are making it harder for themselves to win the election. Protests are one way to make them understand this (since being polite about it clearly isn't working).

I just dont get the strategy of doing this while Trump is basically tied and would be so much worse.

lIts like complaining about the color of your car while it is sitting in train tracks and a train is coming at you. Maybe get it off the tracks, then talk about changing the color.

bobbycorwin posted...

I just dont get the strategy of doing this while Trump is basically tied and would be so much worse.

It puts pressure on the Democratic leadership to make a change in policy that (1) is obviously the morally right thing to do and (2) would help them beat Trump.

bobbycorwin posted...

Its like complaining about the color of your car while it is sitting in train tracks and a train is coming at you.

No, it's like shouting at the train driver to stop the bloody train.

AnsestralRecall posted...

Pushing for Harris to support an arms embargo is pushing her to adopt policies that would gain her votes

It's not hard

Disagree. Most of American moderates are all in on Israel. If Harris were to shift her position she could lose those voters to the side that would still seem to support Israel.

If anything, these pro Palestine protestors are doing Harris a favor by making their side so toxic to moderate voters that Harris openly rejecting them is preventing the right from launching anti-Israel attack ads at her.

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

It puts pressure on the Democratic leadership to make a change in policy that (1) is obviously the morally right thing to do and (2) would help them beat Trump.

No, it's like shouting at the train driver to stop the bloody train.

Um, the train is Trump in my analogy.

bobbycorwin posted...

Um, the train is Trump in my analogy.

Your analogy is awful and you should find a better one.

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

Your analogy is awful and you should find a better one.

Its not awrful, you just dont get it because you dont want to see Trump as a factor.

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It is actively convincing Trump supporters that Trump will save Palestine.

Yes. This does convince people that GOP will fix it

Reasoning goes "The protestors did their homework and know who the bad guy is"

CobraGT posted...

It is actively convincing Trump supporters that Trump will save Palestine.

WTF? That would make no sense even if any Trump supporters gave a damn about Palestine in the first place.

bobbycorwin posted...

I just dont get the strategy of doing this while Trump is basically tied and would be so much worse.

lIts like complaining about the color of your car while it is sitting in train tracks and a train is coming at you. Maybe get it off the tracks, then talk about changing the color.

A better analogy is if youre perfectly poised on a tightrope thats the only path to victory, why in gods name would you veer to either side?

divot1338 posted...

A better analogy is if youre perfectly poised on a tightrope thats the only path to victory, why in gods name would you veer to either side?

What perfectly poised tightrope? The pro Palestine protestors have no path to victory with their current strategy. They are pissing the Harris campaign off making her less likely to listen to them and leaving her no reason to listen to them if she wins despite them. They are also making progressives not want to support Harris which might allow Trump to win which would be disastrous for Gaza.

You can complain all you want, but there is a train coming and you guys dont even seem to notice.

bobbycorwin posted...

What perfectly poised tightrope? The pro Palestine protestors have no path to victory with their current strategy. They are pissing the Harris campaign off making her less likely to listen to them and leaving her no reason to listen to them if she wins despite them. They are also making progressives not want to support Harris which might allow Trump to win which would be disastrous for Gaza.

She has managed to garner a lead without saying a damn thing.

Smart money is to continue allowing Trump to flounder.

You can complain all you want, but there is a train coming and you guys dont even seem to notice.

What are they going to not vote even harder?

They are plenty of winnable votes out there this election.

Pro Palestine and pro israel people are weirdos and loons

bobbycorwin posted...

leaving her no reason to listen to them if she wins despite them

Her reason is to not be a morally reprehensible person

divot1338 posted...

They are also making progressives not want to support Harris

No, that would be Harris doing that

Pushing for Harris to support an arms embargo is pushing her to adopt policies that would gain her votes

It's not hard

Do pepole really not realize that there are more Jewish voters and that making them enemies of her would make her lose more votes and just don't want to accept it?

Necronmon posted...

Do pepole really not realize that there are more Jewish voters

1. Is this true in swing states? The Jewish population is small and disproportionately located in cities like NY. Conversely, the Arab population is well-represented in Michigan.
2. Why are we assuming Jewish people (particularly those who aren't already dead set on voting Republican) would necessarily oppose such a policy?

Necronmon posted...

Do pepole really not realize that there are more Jewish voters and that making them enemies of her would make her lose more votes and just don't want to accept it?

Plenty of Jewish people (even in Israel, let alone elsewhere) don't support the Israeli state's crimes.

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

Sure, keep parroting that line if it helps you sleep at night.

Somebody that has absolutely no idea how American civics works? And is ardently against protesting Republicans?

Yeah right winger is the charitable conclusion.

Do you believe there's just a switch Biden can flip?

Cemith posted...

And is ardently against protesting Republicans?

No, you made that bit up. (Well, you made the previous bit up too...)

Cemith posted...

Do you believe there's just a switch Biden can flip?

I don't "believe" it, in the same way that I don't "believe" dogs are mammals - belief doesn't come into it, it's just true. Other presidents have done it before. Biden actually did it earlier this year, albeit only temporarily for one specific shipment; he could do it again, for all of them, if he chose to.

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

No, you made that bit up. (Well, you made the previous bit up too...)

So you agree that they should be protesting Republicans too?

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

I don't "believe" it, in the same way that I don't "believe" dogs are mammals -

So that's a yes then?