Current Events > NaNoWriMo taking heat for its stance on AI

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Antifar
09/02/24 8:51:48 AM
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Lol cmon

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Irony
09/02/24 8:52:07 AM
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Who

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Kami_no_Kami
09/02/24 8:53:03 AM
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NaNoWriWho?
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Antifar
09/02/24 8:54:23 AM
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Irony posted...
Who
The people behind National Novel Writing Month, which is a thing people take part in to encourage themselves to write a little bit each day during the month (November, I believe).

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ai123
09/02/24 9:00:49 AM
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I'm neutral on the use of AI for creative purposes.

But this looks like they are being paid to promote a commercial product.

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teep_
09/02/24 9:19:00 AM
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Considering "AI" in this context is basically glorified autocorrect, this seems like a no-brainer. The only issue I see here is
ai123 posted...
But this looks like they are being paid to promote a commercial product.


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Flaming_Fire619
09/02/24 9:30:04 AM
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Yeah, the way it's reading screams "shill for product" more than them actually supporting AI.

But honestly, calling the very valid concerns about AI in a creative setting "Ableist and classist" is so narrowminded and dumb that I feel they deserve to be called out about it. I've heard the whole "art and writing should be for everyone and AI makes that happen." thing, but like...why should it be the only career path that everyone should be able to do? Especially when generative AI has to be trained on the work of real people?

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Robot2600
09/02/24 9:44:20 AM
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fuck NaNoWriMo anyway.

literally who gives a shit. we could drop all of our shitposts into a document and call it a novel, it doesn't make it good.

Most good novels took years or at least 1-2 years to write. I get that it's like those 7-day programming challenges and stuff like that. If you think it's fun I've got nothing against that.

ai is anathema. we're literally gonna go full apocalypse if we dont stop it.

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GeraldDarko
09/02/24 9:46:44 AM
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The way they are describing the use of AI makes it sounds closer to being an engineer than a creative.

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R_Jackal
09/02/24 9:49:11 AM
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Using AI for inspiration or to expand your vocabulary, as long as it stays in the confines of what was being stated in the first place. Example in the post is fine to me.

I have no problem with AI as a tool to enhance, but using it to generate art in it's various forms off a few prompts bothers me

That said yeah, this is basically a YouTuber going "but first a word from our sponsors"
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Robot2600
09/02/24 9:52:32 AM
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why in the fuck would you use ai to expand your vocabulary.

read a fucking book and look up words you don't know. if you don't have to look up words, then read more/older things. go read faulker, nietzsche, viriginia woolf and tell me you didn't have to look up any words.

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kirbymuncher
09/02/24 9:52:59 AM
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Robot2600 posted...
literally who gives a shit. we could drop all of our shitposts into a document and call it a novel, it doesn't make it good.

Most good novels took years or at least 1-2 years to write
I think you're sort of missing the point. you are not expected to write a masterpiece novel in a month, it's just a way to get people to actually try it out and start doing something and maybe realize that writing is not as impossible as they thought, or to provide the motivation to start something they've been procrastinating on for forever

Flaming_Fire619 posted...
"Ableist and classist" is so narrowminded and dumb that I feel they deserve to be called out about it
tbh I feel like half the time this sort of rhetoric is used it doesn't even make any sense and it's mostly done because they know it's wording that will make people afraid to push back against them

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ai123
09/02/24 9:54:18 AM
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GeraldDarko posted...
The way they are describing the use of AI makes it sounds closer to being an engineer than a creative.
The distinction between artist and craftsman is largely a post-romantic thing.

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R_Jackal
09/02/24 10:01:18 AM
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kirbymuncher posted...
I feel like half the time this sort of rhetoric is used it doesn't even make any sense and it's mostly done because they know it's wording that will make people afraid to push back against them
The AI crowd is pivoting towards marketing the product as the great equalizer between the common folk and the billionaires, I assume they're doing the same here but adding ableist in too.
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Robot2600
09/02/24 10:03:16 AM
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you're still gonna sound braindead when an ai writes your emails or your novel

edit: writing is already an equalizer :P take your time, get your thoughts together, and then present them. wtf is ai doing to equalize? equalize creativity? equalizing the fact that some people can't afford college training? it's inane nonsense---

o there it is, they had ai come up with the explanation.

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ai123
09/02/24 10:07:18 AM
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Robot2600 posted...
you're still gonna sound braindead when an ai writes your emails or your novel
No matter where it comes from, there's only good art and bad art.

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Robot2600
09/02/24 10:09:42 AM
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and also medium art

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kirbymuncher
09/02/24 10:18:09 AM
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Robot2600 posted...
wtf is ai doing to equalize? equalize creativity? equalizing the fact that some people can't afford college training?
I think the arguments you could make are like...
  • lower class people have less free time to write in, AI speeds things up
  • people with literacy problems, mental disabilities, lack of education may not be equipped to write and AI acts as an assistant
  • they may not have access to, eg, proofreaders
they're all sort of dumb though because I feel like you can also come up with equally reasonable arguments for the exact opposite position. it's sort of nonsense either way you organize it

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Antifar
09/02/24 10:19:43 AM
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https://bsky.app/profile/iboudreau.bsky.social/post/3l36djc2mke2i

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ai123
09/02/24 10:25:21 AM
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Robot2600 posted...
and also medium art
That's the worst one of all.

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Antifar
09/02/24 10:33:20 AM
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https://bsky.app/profile/petefrasermusic.bsky.social/post/3l35w4mxtgy2x

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WingsOfGood
09/02/24 10:36:06 AM
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GeraldDarko
09/02/24 10:41:01 AM
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Antifar posted...
https://bsky.app/profile/petefrasermusic.bsky.social/post/3l35w4mxtgy2x
This is basically the equivalent to saying math is racist.

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TMOG
09/02/24 10:49:35 AM
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Why practice a craft when you can just have AI steal someone else's work instead?
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LoveLikeJazz
09/02/24 10:54:29 AM
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NaNoWriMo is like a new Mario villain or something?

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R_Jackal
09/02/24 10:57:24 AM
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Antifar posted...
https://bsky.app/profile/petefrasermusic.bsky.social/post/3l35w4mxtgy2x
You know, a lot of groups/companies/whatever can't seem to follow the basic rule of "If you don't know what you're talking about, it how to say it, shut the fuck up" these days.
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