Poll of the Day > ps5 pro announced. $699, no stand, no disc drive

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there's the good ole sony arrogance again

$700 and the disc drive is another $100 lmao

insane

ill just keep my Sega Saturn and Ps4 lol

I'll buy one.

Can't wait to see the scalper prices

Everyone seemed pretty upset overall lol

Problem is there was no reason to buy a regular PS5 (besides Astro World maybe), I don't want to spend even more on the "Pro" version

I like that pro versions are now normal when when one isn't needed. Gotta fleece the crowd as much as possible

I cant wait to spend $700 to play PS4 ports at 4k, 60fps. The future is now!

I'd imagine this getting worse when the PS6 comes out. Can't say I care for mid gen upgrades anyway.

Is there even a reason to get a PS5 in the first place?

ConfusedTorchic posted...

...no disc drive

...and no interest from me.



shadowsword87 posted...

Is there even a reason to get a PS5 in the first place?

I mostly bought mine to play a couple games I could otherwise play on PC if not for the fact that I still loathe PC gaming. And to also replay older PS4 games.

lmao I'm sticking to PC and Nintendo from now on, this is ridiculous.

Microscopic "improved graphics." Unless you're sitting like a foot from your TV/monitor you ain't seeing shit.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

I mostly bought mine to play a couple games I could otherwise play on PC if not for the fact that I still loathe PC gaming.

Yeah. As long as PC games keep getting released as Epic exclusives and using shitty spyware anti-cheat and DRM protection I'll own a Playstation.

Was going to get a ps5 pro, then they showed what it was, not getting one anymore lol.

Might be the end of Playstation

If things are this bad and expensive with games taking years to develop, what's going to change with the 6?

JixHedgehog posted...

Might be the end of Playstation

lmao no it won't

Xbox will shit the bed again next gen (likely with some always online DRM bull) and Sony will be back to being the golden child, as is tradition. And Nintendo will continue doing meth in the corner.

I'm a PC gamer and I had no idea people actually cared for disk drives this much. Though I am not arguing, just surprised

I bought the disc drive version of the PS5 pretty much solely to play my PS4 discs. All my PS5 games are digital.

That said, I'll prob buy the Pro and get the disc drive attachment and give my PS5 to my nephew.

Sounds like an awesome deal to play the like 6 PS5 exclusive games with marginally better performance.

argonautweakend posted...

I'm a PC gamer and I had no idea people actually cared for disk drives this much. Though I am not arguing, just surprised

Honestly I wouldn't trust consoles to maintain backwards compatibility (not a historical strong point for them), and once the store for an old system shuts down you'd lose access to all your games you don't already have downloaded. Though at this point it's not really that relevant of a argument, as most games rely on online updates to be usable anymore. Which is why I lost interest in consoles in the first place.

Zareth posted...

Microscopic "improved graphics." Unless you're sitting like a foot from your TV/monitor you ain't seeing shit.

It just means everything can be 120fps, which you can see.

Might as well wait for the PlayStation 6. This is pure garbage by Sony.

sveksii posted...

Honestly I wouldn't trust consoles to maintain backwards compatibility (not a historical strong point for them), and once the store for an old system shuts down you'd lose access to all your games you don't already have downloaded. Though at this point it's not really that relevant of a argument, as most games rely on online updates to be usable anymore. Which is why I lost interest in consoles in the first place.

I guess there are more considerations to take in with consoles though. I thought i'd be clutching my physical media but when I got used to steam it's better because a lot of my older PC games are scratched to hell and back and barely work. Though of course the risk is something happening Steam making my collection inaccessible.

I just remember before I went all in on steam, seeing physical PC releases with a download code card in the box and nothing else. That kinda soured the whole deal for me, but I haven't bought a console since the xbox 360(which I proudly never once took online), so I never thought about the different challenges with consoles.

argonautweakend posted...

I guess there are more considerations to take in with consoles though. I thought i'd be clutching my physical media but when I got used to steam it's better because a lot of my older PC games are scratched to hell and back and barely work. Though of course the risk is something happening Steam making my collection inaccessible.

I just remember before I went all in on steam, seeing physical PC releases with a download code card in the box and nothing else. That kinda soured the whole deal for me, but I haven't bought a console since the xbox 360(which I proudly never once took online), so I never thought about the different challenges with consoles.

Yeah, I stopped being so gung-ho about physical media when it came to my Switch...I still have a lot of physical games for it, but at a certain point I gave up. It's too annoying. I was able to get the majority of my digital games by just waiting for sales that are cheaper than the physical games will be. I used to stick to physical for 1st party, but now I'm getting tired of it. I'll still likely play my Switch for a long time, since I have so much to play. Backwards compatibility and price will determine how soon I buy a "Switch 2".

I've always contemplated buying a PS4 Pro or a PS5, but PS5 would have to price drop by a fair bit.

I look forward to seeing benchmarks comparing the two. The videos were hard to see a difference

argonautweakend posted...

I'm a PC gamer and I had no idea people actually cared for disk drives this much. Though I am not arguing, just surprised

Hard to buy second hand games for your PC even if they come on a disk.

josh posted...

Hard to buy second hand games for your PC even if they come on a disk.

Realistically, PC games that are old enough to come on discs in the first place are either so old that they're intrinsically hard to find, have already been ported through GOG or a similar service, or are abandonware and you can just find downloads of them for free. In many cases, being that old also means you run into compatibility issues, though pretty much anything for Windows XP or later tends to work well enough. All of that means there just isn't much demand for them, which doesn't give people much incentive to create a supply.

josh posted...

Hard to buy second hand games for your PC even if they come on a disk.

any game that came on a disc is either downloadable for free or $2

Damn this Gen is truly a dead fish in the water unless its another 10 year cycle like ps3/360 era it might finally kick up in the last half.

PCs have much more storage than consoles do, so there is no need for discs

Console games on discs still have huge install sizes anyway...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

It just means everything can be 120fps, which you can see.

Everything I've heard about it is improved resolution but no FPS increase

Blightzkrieg posted...

Xbox will shit the bed again next gen

Xbox is already shitting the bed, Phil Spencer is a terrible businessman who is destroying the company. Game Pass is straight up losing them money.

i don't think i'd say gamepass is losing them money

they make like 2 something billion on it a year

Phil has confirmed that it is.

Zareth posted...

Everything I've heard about it is improved resolution but no FPS increase

FPS is a moving target. For years it's been "this is the console that will finally match PCs with consistent 60 FPS" and then a year later you've got stutter. Same with loading times. It's not a valuable benchmark for them to throw out because it's gonna go back to sucking ass in 12 months anyway.

Microsoft Gaming CEO Phil Spencer in an interview Windows Central revealed Xbox spends over $1 billion a year on third-party content for Xbox Game Pass and the service itself is profitable.
"We have a service that is financially viable, meaning it makes money, in Game Pass," said Spencer. "We've put a lot of money into the market, over a billion dollars a year supporting third-party games coming into Game Pass.

?

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/93340/xbox-game-pass-made-230-million-revenue-in-one-month-most-users-pay-for-full-subscriptions/index.html

seems like they only ever show that it's profitable

Kyuubi4269 posted...

It just means everything can be 120fps, which you can see.

Provided you also pay for a 120 Hz TV, which has little use outside of trying to play games at 120 fps (which, in turn, doesn't come up much because most consoles can't sustain it). Maybe I'm weird, but the idea of paying several hundred dollars for a console whose primary upgrade requires me to pay several hundred dollars more (at least) for a TV that will actually let me see it isn't all that appealing to me.

Blightzkrieg posted...

FPS is a moving target. For years it's been "this is the console that will finally match PCs with consistent 60 FPS" and then a year later you've got stutter. Same with loading times. It's not a valuable benchmark for them to throw out because it's gonna go back to sucking ass in 12 months anyway.

Indeed. It's a statistic that looks nice on paper, but it doesn't do as much to promote games as shiny graphics and panoramic shots of large environments do, so after that initial push of "look we can do X FPS please buy our console!" FPS tends to take a back seat to making games that look better in screenshots.

ConfusedTorchic posted...

?

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/93340/xbox-game-pass-made-230-million-revenue-in-one-month-most-users-pay-for-full-subscriptions/index.html

seems like they only ever show that it's profitable

This is from a year ago.

Watching the announcement video gave me bad vibes of like, 15-20 years ago. Sony came off arrogant, and also dated in what they talked about and how they talked about it.

Then the price tag was the final nail in the coffin. I understand things are absurdly expensive nowadays, inflation, etc. But you can't charge significantly more than your direct competitors and expect to get away unscathed.

GameReviews posted...

Watching the announcement video gave me bad vibes of like, 15-20 years ago. Sony came off arrogant, and also dated in what they talked about and how they talked about it.

I know it was almost 20 years ago but this is GameFAQs where we're all old as shit so we can all remember the "599 US DOLLARS" meme that was everywhere when the PS3 price was revealed.

Zareth posted...

Yeah. As long as PC games keep getting released as Epic exclusives and using shitty spyware anti-cheat and DRM protection I'll own a Playstation.

You don't play those games since they end up being artless slop designed by committee anyway. Any project with any creative control is going to not do that.

It's like people getting upset that their McDonald's comes with tracking chips. Yeah, it's bad that they're doing that, and why the hell are you eating McDonald's? People are like cows getting branded and complaining that it hurts. Sometimes the slop is so repulsive that even the cows won't eat it, and they have to figure out what the new floor bare minimum is (Concord, Suicide Squad).

Zareth posted...

This is from a year ago.

the only thing that's changed since then is gamepass got more subscribers, so

adjl posted...

Realistically, PC games that are old enough to come on discs in the first place are either so old that they're intrinsically hard to find, have already been ported through GOG or a similar service, or are abandonware and you can just find downloads of them for free. In many cases, being that old also means you run into compatibility issues, though pretty much anything for Windows XP or later tends to work well enough. All of that means there just isn't much demand for them, which doesn't give people much incentive to create a supply.

The other problem is that some older games have their game speed clocked to the CPU speed, which makes them almost impossible (or outright impossible) to play on newer computers (this was a huge problem with the original Gabriel Knight, for instance).

It is possible to run those sorts of games on something like DOSBox and throttle the CPU to fix the issue, but that's also more trouble than a lot of players are going to be willing to go through.

Though speaking of Gabriel Knight, that is a good example of another problem with older games - they released a 20th anniversary version of that game for newer computers, but the new version is kind of shit. But once newer, shittier versions of games are released into the ecosystem, it can make it even harder to try and track down earlier, better versions (in the same vein as the original Star Wars trilogy theatrical releases versus the Special Editions).

That's part of my problem with the Baldur's Gate "Enhanced" Edition games - they fixed a few things from the original games (good!), but broke or ruined a lot of other things (bad!), to the point where I vastly prefer the originals (especially if you run them with mods like Tutu). But good luck finding the original version - pretty sure GoG only carries the Enhanced Edition, the console releases are only EE, and so on.

you get both versions of baldurs gate through gog

but it's pointless anyways, the enhanced edition is better in literally every single way

it's just the first game with the second games engine improvements. they added four completely ignorable characters, while you get more classes, more spells, and a proficiency system that isn't awful. wow so bad.

Gamepass is the only reason to own a new console nowadays, so if it is failing I hope it lasts as long as possible

ParanoidObsessive posted...

The other problem is that some older games have their game speed clocked to the CPU speed, which makes them almost impossible (or outright impossible) to play on newer computers (this was a huge problem with the original Gabriel Knight, for instance).

Yeah, I'd count that under compatibility issues. Again, though, that's going back quite a ways, and while it'd certainly be nice to have 40+ years of unrestricted backwards compatibility for every PC, I recognize that that's a pretty tall order.

Total actual cost of the PS5Pro.

$700 (Console)
$30 (Stand)
$80 (Disc Drive)
$80 (PSN, at the bare minimum lowest tier)
$890 (before tax)

Why the fuck aren't you building a computer, you dunces? Stop paying for walled gardens that you have to pay for over and over again with a minuscule amount of time in between payments.