Current Events > Do you think WW3 is inevitable at this point?

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With so many regional wars now taking place with many major superpowers either directly or indirectly involved in all of them do you think theres a chance these regional wars will eventually expand into WW3?

Some argue were already seeing the beginning stages of a third world war similar to late-30s Europe and Asia, what are the thoughts on that as well?

It always was.

It might not come from present day events, but itll happen sooner or later.

Do you think there will be a cooling of the current wars before it happens or do you think theyll have something to do with it?

No.

No. (official) Wars cost money.

Eventually

my doom levels are not high enough for this
still novice doomer

Yeah it felt pretty much inevitable when Russia invaded Ukraine and then Iran started giving Russia stuff and now it's even worse that North Koreans are there and of course Israel bombing Iran doesn't help any.

I remember predictions from a decade ago saying that WW3 would start over Syria. Kinda surprised that hasn't happened yet.

Its not like wed just skip to ww4

Dark_Arbron posted...

I remember predictions from a decade ago saying that WW3 would start over Syria. Kinda surprised that hasn't happened yet.

who knows, maybe that was the precursor that brought Russia and Turkey closer together and emboldened Russia to invade Ukraine finally.

depends if america would stop netanyahu

R1masher posted...

Its not like wed just skip to ww4

Well, there is Peter Griffins theory that WW5 will be so epic it skips 3 and 4.

Until Russia actually threatens a NATO member and invades I don't see a true "WW3" scenario happening. At the moment it's a lot of regional and proxy wars that haven't drawn in the alliances yet.

Even if NK tried to do something to SK and drew Japan and the US's ire, China isn't going to sacrifice Chinese soldiers for them. Taiwan is I'd say the other potential powderkeg

Definitely not inevitable. I think most countries know America's military technology is a cheat code and so would rather taunt them then ever actually take them on

Dark_Arbron posted...

I remember predictions from a decade ago saying that WW3 would start over Syria. Kinda surprised that hasn't happened yet.

Well, Syria is next door to Lebanon, so give it time. Lebanon will be a wonderful staging ground for insurgent groups once Israel further destabilizes the government, weakens Lebanon's military, and neuters Hezbollah (guess what fills that power vacuum?)
Israel's invasion of Lebanon also threatens to ignite the sectarian tinderbox there and re-ignite their civil war.

Not for the foreseeable future.

Lots of small wars has been the status quo at least since nation states existed.

No, I dont think well see any of the large powers go to direct war with each other again. It will just continue to be proxy wars, as it has been for the last few decades.

I think WW3 is less likely than it has been for years.

The Middle East conflicts are contained. The current Israel/Gaza+ conflict is sadly not of interest to anybody with any kind of power. Consider that the Syrian Civil War is ongoing for 10+ years, and killed more people than the ENTIRE Arab-Israeli conflict, and nobody seems to care that much. Yemen is ignored, except when they lash out. Pan-Arabism died a long time ago.

The ongoing wars in Africa (e.g., Burkina Faso) are ignored, as usual.

Russia/Ukraine will eventually end with Putin (having exhausted the Russian military) declaring victory with whatever the current borders happen to be. Ukraine will then join NATO (with a ton of aid flowing in to rebuild), ensuring future border stability.

I think the biggest threat is climate-driven instability and resource scarcity.

It won't happen

Don't worry, I know a guy

tankboy posted...

I think WW3 is less likely than it has been for years.

The Middle East conflicts are contained. The current Israel/Gaza+ conflict is sadly not of interest to anybody with any kind of power. Consider that the Syrian Civil War is ongoing for 10+ years, and killed more people than the ENTIRE Arab-Israeli conflict, and nobody seems to care that much. Yemen is ignored, except when they lash out. Pan-Arabism died a long time ago.

The ongoing wars in Africa (e.g., Burkina Faso) are ignored, as usual.

Russia/Ukraine will eventually end with Putin (having exhausted the Russian military) declaring victory with whatever the current borders happen to be. Ukraine will then join NATO (with a ton of aid flowing in to rebuild), ensuring future border stability.

I think the biggest threat is climate-driven instability and resource scarcity.

This.

It's amazing that wars have been going on in Africa for years, and per usual, crickets from most. War crimes, autrocities, wide spread muder and more happening there too but it all goes mostly ignored.

Israel and Palestine soaks up most of people's care.
Ukraine and Russia soaks up the rest.

The middle east and their to no surprise conflicts, has issue outside just Israel and Gaza alone. But as you correctly pointed out, Israel/Gaza soaks up most of everyone's 'I give 2 fucks' because how important specifically Israel is to a lot of people.

So it seems like the general consensus is that a third world war isnt likely, but if it were to happen do you think when people look back at it in the future there would be a single event to point to that was the clear starting point or would it be a series of broader regional events that become intermingled?

Chev427BB posted...

So it seems like the general consensus is that a third world war isnt likely, but if it were to happen do you think when people look back at it in the future there would be a single event to point to that was the clear starting point or would it be a series of broader regional events that become intermingled?

Nothing as of yet to have happen.

The only way WW3 would start would have to be a direct attack on the allied countries or the allied forces directly attacking the new "axis" or pact.

I know many think what's happening in Ukraine and Gaza is so devastating, but in reality it's just the only 2 conflicts these people seem to care about.

There's many conflicts going on elsewhere that is not Gaza or Ukraine. Some with far more death and autrocities.

We wouldnt call it WW3. It would be a peace recession

And to be clear I tend to agree with the consensus because the cost of a world war in the modern era would be much greater than any country would be willing to ignore, or at least I'd like to think that. I don't think it would be an exaggeration to say that would be the beginning of the end of the world, especially since it would only take one person (or I guess technically 2 people as a failsafe) to push that red button and fast track that end.

I just think it's an interesting topic because when you look back at the world wars they both have a clear starting point though some people point to 1937 at the start of the second Sino-Japanese war and not the invasion of Poland as the true start of WW2, so there's some ambiguity there among those people so I wondered if that would also be the case in a WW3 scenario.

On the contrary, WW3 is practically an impossibility now. Nuclear deterrent, the draft being political suicide in the first world, wars being too expensive for most countries to even wage, modern technology making a classic ground war unnecessary, nobody wanting to escalate their regional conflicts to involve stronger enemies, general public opinion on drawn out wars. Proxy wars have been the hot thing for decades. Major powers aren't getting their hands dirty any time soon.

The only thing that could spark a proper world war at this point is something existential like China deciding to do some empire building, but they have the west in the palm of their hand economically so they have no reason to poke anyone's bears. Who else is even a threat? Iran has no real power, Russia is being made a laughing stock by Ukraine, people are impressed that North Korea can even land garbage balloons in South Korea. The only other option is Germany making a heel turn and going for the hat trick.

Eventually. From these events? Eh

Chev427BB posted...

I just think it's an interesting topic because when you look back at the world wars they both have a clear starting point

I mean, they have a clear starting point in the sense that powers or its ally were directly attacking other great powers or allies with said powers declaring war on each other as a result. Those wars didn't start out of a vacuum though. Some past history of skirmishes or violence or oppression or grievances was at play. Said starting point was just the final straw that made several powers to declare war on multiple great powers being pulled in.

In the case of Gaza and Ukraine, that isn't happening as of right now. Israel in particular or rather the Middle East... it's not actually a shock that area is fighting per usual.

No

Doomers really need to get a grip.

NatsuSama posted...

I mean, they have a clear starting point in the sense that powers or its ally were directly attacking other great powers or allies with said powers declaring war on each other as a result. Those wars didn't start out of a vacuum though. Some past history of skirmishes or violence or oppression or grievances was at play. Said starting point was just the final straw that made several powers to declare war on multiple great powers being pulled in.

Yeah, that's kind of what I was getting at with my last question, there were decades of tension leading up to both world wars but there are exact events in history that people point to (assassination of Franz Ferdinand and invasion of Poland) as the point of no return with both world wars and I wondered if that would also be the case in a WW3 scenario.

Chev427BB posted...

Yeah, that's kind of what I was getting at with my last question, there were decades of tension leading up to both world wars but there are exact events in history that people point to (assassination of Franz Ferdinand and invasion of Poland) as the point of no return with both world wars and I wondered if that would also be the case in a WW3 scenario.

Probably "Russia annexes Ukraine and moves against a NATO member."

I think China vs. Philippines is a somewhat plausible flashpoint for a conflict that draws in more countries. But if anything can ever get China to apologize or backdown, ever, for anything, it would be wealthy Chinese afraid to lose money.

eventually

OMG it's chev, I miss you dog.

I didn't actually read the topic, I'm sorry.