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BlueTigerLion
11/05/24 11:40:19 PM
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https://apnews.com/live/trump-harris-election-updates-11-5-2024#00000192-ffbf-dc56-a39e-ffbf5c030000

Trump and Vance made attacks on transgender rights a central part of their closing argument, and findings from AP VoteCast, a sweeping survey of more than 115,000 voters nationwide, suggest that those arguments may have resonated with some voters. About half of voters overall said that support for transgender rights in government and society has gone too far, according to VoteCast, while about one-quarter said support has been about right and about 2 in 10 said support has not gone far enough. The vast majority around 8 in 10 Trump voters said that support for transgender rights has gone too far, while Harris voters were more divided.

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Strider102
11/05/24 11:41:39 PM
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I'm sorry to our transgender citizens.

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BlueTigerLion
11/06/24 7:25:55 AM
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Strider102 posted...
I'm sorry to our transgender citizens.

Yea. Looks like trans athletes are about to get banned.

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SpawnShadow
11/06/24 7:26:51 AM
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BlueTigerLion posted...
Yea. Looks like trans athletes are about to get banned.
And it's unfortunately not going to stop there. Not by a long shot.

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GhostFaceLeaks
11/06/24 7:27:10 AM
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What's the chance that there will be some mass eradication plan on transgender folks, or at least mass arrests now?

Feels like we're heading that way.

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Unsuprised_Pika
11/06/24 7:28:11 AM
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I'm fucking gutted.

Fuck this shithole country.

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Dat_Cracka_Jax
11/06/24 7:28:31 AM
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GhostFaceLeaks posted...
What's the chance that there will be some mass eradication plan on transgender folks, or at least mass arrests now?

Feels like we're heading that way.
I feel there are much more subtle ways they can achieve what they want

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GhostFaceLeaks
11/06/24 7:29:32 AM
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Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...
I feel there are much more subtle ways they can achieve what they want

Let's be real, subtlety is going to be thrown out the window soon with them.

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SydnieStarlight
11/06/24 7:47:36 AM
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GhostFaceLeaks posted...
What's the chance that there will be some mass eradication plan on transgender folks, or at least mass arrests now?

Feels like we're heading that way.
100%. The right has not been secretive about their desire to do a Nazi Germany 2.0, and trans people are currently their #1 "everything wrong with the world today" scapegoat group.

There are going to be concentration camps and trans people are going to be the first ones put into them. This isn't exaggeration or dooming. It's explicitly their game plan, and they've just "been given" (lol, sure) complete authority to make it happen.

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haloiscoolisbak
11/06/24 7:56:56 AM
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I wonder what % of those people watch trans porn too.

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GeminiDeus
11/06/24 7:59:04 AM
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haloiscoolisbak posted...
I wonder what % of those people watch trans porn too.
Hypocrisy doesn't matter to them.

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OneSpookyGirl
11/06/24 8:20:26 AM
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Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...
I feel there are much more subtle ways they can achieve what they want
These are the same people who openly want to inspect the genitals of children, have called for the eradication of transgender people, etc.. There is no subtlety

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GhostFaceLeaks
11/06/24 8:25:01 AM
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OneSpookyGirl posted...
These are the same people who openly want to inspect the genitals of children, have called for the eradication of transgender people, etc.. There is no subtlety

Transgender folks are either gonna have to move out the country or hope the government doesn't get info about them otherwise they'll hear a knock on the door by some agents. That's the scary reality.

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UnfairRepresent
11/08/24 1:28:14 PM
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GhostFaceLeaks posted...
Transgender folks are either gonna have to move out the country or hope the government doesn't get info about them otherwise they'll hear a knock on the door by some agents. That's the scary reality.
Move where?

Shit is getting bad globally

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CobraGT
11/08/24 1:38:12 PM
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Not at all. If you are trans it is an issue. If you are MAGA it is an issue. MAGA keeps making it an issue. MAGA will not stop making it an issue.

The rest of just want to drink our beer.

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Kradek
11/08/24 1:39:17 PM
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I'd been hearing that they were blasting anti-trans ads in the swing states like crazy in the final 2-3 weeks. I guess they had an effect.

Sucks that this is the state of our nation.

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LightSnake
11/08/24 1:48:18 PM
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Kradek posted...
I'd been hearing that they were blasting anti-trans ads in the swing states like crazy in the final 2-3 weeks. I guess they had an effect.

Sucks that this is the state of our nation.

Post-mortems are showing a big reason wa s"Kamala Harris is too focused on trans issues and not the middle class"

Just delulu

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Nunyobidness
11/08/24 2:05:27 PM
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GhostFaceLeaks posted...
What's the chance that there will be some mass eradication plan on transgender folks, or at least mass arrests now?

Feels like we're heading that way.

I don't think they will do that. It's too open and brutal and that will turn people against the cause. There's a fine line between people thinking Trans acceptance has gone too far and that same group standing back and watching the Transgender community get brutalized or imprisoned. They'll try something more subtle they can hide behind. I don't know what that is and pray they're too stupid and lazy to figure it out.
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The_Wheelman1
11/08/24 2:24:34 PM
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As this point alot of trans will turn to porn or OF to live because that's the only job they can get. Because just like women, they will be seen as nothing more than sex objects.

Oh wait...the GOP wants to ban porn too. Holy shit i feel bad for them.

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pinky0926
11/08/24 2:26:59 PM
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I used to argue a lot about trans sports on here and I stopped because it just started to feel like it was a convenient excuse for the right to latch onto to oppress trans people further.

Lo ans behold, trans people just want to exist and still so many people think it's "going too far", probably because of petty shit like that

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DuneMan
11/08/24 2:29:18 PM
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GhostFaceLeaks posted...
What's the chance that there will be some mass eradication plan on transgender folks, or at least mass arrests now?

Feels like we're heading that way.
The old playbook from groups like that is to treat LGBT folks like sex predators. So you can probably extrapolate treatment from how things are in a place like Russia.

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Ilishe
11/08/24 2:29:21 PM
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GhostFaceLeaks posted...
What's the chance that there will be some mass eradication plan on transgender folks, or at least mass arrests now?

Feels like we're heading that way.

On what grounds? Who would stand for it besides, one imagines, a very small minority of people who don't belong in any civilised society?

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LeTigre
11/08/24 2:31:17 PM
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The_Wheelman1 posted...
As this point alot of trans will turn to porn or OF to live because that's the only job they can get. Because just like women, they will be seen as nothing more than sex objects.

Oh wait...the GOP wants to ban porn too. Holy shit i feel bad for them.

I dont mean this directly at you, but this is why I hate cis people leading the conversation on trans people.

Trans people are already currently, and have historically been, involved in sex work in order to survive. Transitioning is prohibitively expensive, even with good insurance which most of us dont have, and the little protections we have are so soft-handed theyre virtually unenforceable.

We have been targeted by a historic amount of transphobic legislation being introduced every single year and have never received anything more than token acknowledgement from the Democrats. Thats why Harris refusing to say she believes we have the right to healthcare, and Allred going unsanctioned for being blatantly transphobic in his campaign were issues.

Things are going to be bad next year, because theyre bad this year. And last year. And the year before that. And the year before that.


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CharginTarge
11/08/24 2:32:52 PM
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The same people going out of there way to shut people's lives down will also be the sme exact people saying dumb shit like they are forcing their way of life on them.

If you ask them to elaborate what they are being forced to do they will just repeat themselves. Fucking useless human beings.

If you ask them why its okay for THEM to force THEIR way of life on people they just get loud and angry.

They've been fed what to think but not why. Isn't that a cult?

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Southernfatman
11/08/24 2:35:23 PM
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Trans folks: "We just want to live our lives."
America: "NOOOOOOOO HOW DARE YOU!!!?"

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Hyena_Of_Ice
11/10/24 7:03:53 AM
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I recall that by 2022, even support for gay rights had gone down a few points among Dems thanks to the hate propaganda being spewed by the GOP since 2020.
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Hyena_Of_Ice
11/10/24 7:07:26 AM
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GhostFaceLeaks posted...
What's the chance that there will be some mass eradication plan on transgender folks, or at least mass arrests now?
Feels like we're heading that way.

That's definitely what Project 2025 has in mind-- it wants to slap the sex offender status any doctors, teachers, librarians, or *IIRC* parents who support gender-affirming care for minors. Wouldn't surprise me if they tried to extend it to anyone who voiced support for it in public (reminder that Project 2025 also wants to ban porn, and insists that porn is not a form of free speech because it's "dangerous and harmful to society"*)
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Hyena_Of_Ice
11/10/24 7:16:40 AM
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SydnieStarlight posted...
100%. The right has not been secretive about their desire to do a Nazi Germany 2.0, and trans people are currently their #1 "everything wrong with the world today" scapegoat group.

There are going to be concentration camps and trans people are going to be the first ones put into them. This isn't exaggeration or dooming. It's explicitly their game plan, and they've just "been given" (lol, sure) complete authority to make it happen.

I'm not sure it would be concentration camps per say. More like the horrific asylums that dissidents whose opposition to Stalinism was labeled as a form of mental illness ended up in. IN this case, we're talking "conversion therapy" camps. Run about as well as you'd expect from a tax-phobic MAGAt government. Though they'd also hire a bunch of NGO to do the job as well, most of whom would probably insist in trying to Jesus the nonbinary away.

Considering the fucked up shit they do at gay conversion therapy camp (pressure the gay person into blaming his parents for his gayness) I'd hate to think what they'd goad a trans woman into doing (no, I actually have a pretty good idea, anbd it's sick. Man, imagine if that religious NGO turned out to be antisemitic, and the trans woman revealed to them that she was circumcized.)
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gator71
11/10/24 8:24:54 AM
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They want to go back to pre-Stonewall times where men could be arrested if they were caught wearing women's clothes. This is why gay pride started in the first place.

This is why it infuriates me when people stay WhEN iS StrAiGhT pRiDe MoNtH??!? Too many people are fucking ignorant about our history.

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GhostFaceLeaks
11/10/24 9:43:44 AM
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Ilishe posted...
On what grounds? Who would stand for it besides, one imagines, a very small minority of people who don't belong in any civilised society?

Given who is heading back into office come January? Everyone who got to vote for him back.

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Hyena_Of_Ice
11/10/24 10:15:43 PM
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Ilishe posted...
On what grounds? Who would stand for it besides, one imagines, a very small minority of people who don't belong in any civilised society?

The Republicans will discourage this by smearing them as child sex predators in order to eliminate public sympathy outside of civil rights groups willing to fight for unpopular groups like the ALCU. Just like so few people give a shit about prison rape.
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mybbqrules
11/11/24 6:04:25 PM
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Ah yes, that catalyst of the American economy, *checks notes* the existence of trans people as like 0.1% of the population.

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thronedfire2
11/11/24 6:08:04 PM
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every single NFL game I watched so far this year featured the same "Kamala is going to use your tax dollars to give illegal immigrants free sex changes in prison. Kamala is for 'they/them', Trump is for you!" ad in pretty much every commercial break. A ton of people saw that shit.

It doesn't matter if it's not true. It doesn't matter that illegal immigrant transgender prisoners were probably less than .1% of the prison population. The repubs knew how to campaign on people's fear and insecurities. Dems tried to point out how bad Trump was and would be again, but unfortunately most of their messages required knowledge of what's actually reality.

Way too many people live in a fantasy land

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AndyReklaw
11/11/24 6:21:30 PM
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Obviously this is just horrible for people that just want to feel comfortable in their body. But also, why can't people just be what they want to be? Why does it matter so much to people how people want to live with their own body?

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DrizztLink
11/11/24 6:21:39 PM
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Nunyobidness posted...
I don't think they will do that. It's too open and brutal and that will turn people against the cause.
You think they give a fuck?

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hivebent4life
11/11/24 6:30:51 PM
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Project 2025 has an outline to begin the mass killing of trans people.

Ban porn, and make people who create it be considered sex offenders.

Define being transgender as inherently pornographic.

Allow the death penalty for sex offenders.

Boom. Under these laws, trans people could be systematically executed, and it would be entirely legal.

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ItsChristian
11/11/24 6:31:44 PM
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"We would like to exist."

Whoa whoa whoa way too far!
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Kradek
11/11/24 11:05:20 PM
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AndyReklaw posted...
Obviously this is just horrible for people that just want to feel comfortable in their body. But also, why can't people just be what they want to be? Why does it matter so much to people how people want to live with their own body?

Your body their choice doesn't only apply to abortions.

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Sayoria
11/11/24 11:13:51 PM
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It's fine. It's not like we trans people aren't used to being seen as the scum of the earth. We know Republicans think Nazis are more true citizens than we are. We get it.

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Dancedreamer
11/11/24 11:14:20 PM
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Half of people don't understand anything about transgender rights, and have no idea what they are.

We live in such a backward fucking country.

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Prototypic
11/11/24 11:23:05 PM
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When you live in a delusion and literally believe teachers are secretly performing gender-affirming surgeries on students in schools, I guess it might seem that way.

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action52
11/11/24 11:47:01 PM
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Here's the thing.

Most of the country does think trans people have a right to exist. They just don't want it to be normalized.

If you decide to transition and live in an area that's LGBTQ friendly, they're fine with that. But if you want to be a first grade teacher or something, that is absolutely not okay.

They also are ignorant about trans issues so they judge issues by their gut (which is influenced by growing up in a transphobic society). They just think what seems obvious based on that and don't want to question it.

A trans woman is a man who got his penis chopped off. That's what transitioning means, right? Obviously we can't be letting kids do that.

Trabd girls want to to play sports. That's the same thing as being a boy and playing girls' sports, right? Obviously we can't allow that, it's unfair.

Trans people need counseling and medical care. That's frivolous surgery and therapy they use to pretend to be a gender they're not, right? Obviously they should have to pay for all of that themselves.

I think that the vast majority is like this, or worse. And they don't want to have to change their views. They resent even being made to think about it. So they are much more willing to ally with extreme anti trans people than the ones standing up for their rights.

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bigtiggie23
11/11/24 11:48:48 PM
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hivebent4life posted...
Project 2025 has an outline to begin the mass killing of trans people.

Ban porn, and make people who create it be considered sex offenders.

Define being transgender as inherently pornographic.

Allow the death penalty for sex offenders.

Boom. Under these laws, trans people could be systematically executed, and it would be entirely legal.
I'm assuming that death penalty for sex offenders won't apply to those conservative pastors who keep getting caught every week.

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GrandConjuraton
11/11/24 11:57:57 PM
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Sayoria posted...
It's fine. It's not like we trans people aren't used to being seen as the scum of the earth. We know Republicans think Nazis are more true citizens than we are. We get it.


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Kradek
11/12/24 12:04:20 AM
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I heard someone make a comment the other day that the reason right-wingers hate transwomen so specifically is because they think of women as the lowliest state of being and existence so why on earth would anybody choose to be that?

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LightSnake
11/12/24 12:06:52 AM
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Kradek posted...
I heard someone make a comment the other day that the reason right-wingers hate transwomen so specifically is because they think of women as the lowliest state of being and existence so why on earth would anybody choose to be that?

I don't buy it, because some of the most viciously transphobic right wingers I've seen are women

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Necronmon
11/12/24 12:09:47 AM
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why can't people just be what they want to be? Why does it matter so much to people how people want to live with their own body?

The GOP clearly think as a whole that only they have the right to decide what lesser beings can do with there bodies...ugh.
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Kradek
11/12/24 12:11:12 AM
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LightSnake posted...
I don't buy it, because some of the most viciously transphobic right wingers I've seen are women


56% of white women voted for Trump and while voting to protect their abortion rights in their own state told the rest of the country to go fuck themselves. The white supremacist Christo-fascist right-wing apparatus will always have women subservient to it.

I mean, we see a lot worse things for women in Islamic fascist states and yet you'll find women justifying and defending such status quo.

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