Current Events > Should I report all the undocumented people I know who voted for Trump?

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Blue_Target posted...

I feel karma will hit them very soon

Karma doesn't exist

WingsOfGood posted...

Trump using his policies to deport people is validating the rhetoric that the dems are the real racists?
Trump is the one deporting people.

Dawg if you go out of your way to accelerate Trumps insane proposal then you are in a fact helping his fascist ideals become reality. Getting someone deported because youre pissed at their relatives is fucked up

The fact is that there is no feasible way to deport every single undocumented person. People who are willing to turn over undocumented people they know will be a great service to Trumps plans and bad people as a result.

I would never, ever do it myself but I am done shedding tears over it.

Trump never once hid his plan for immigrants (legal or illegal) and his life long hatred for minorities so...reap what you sow.

Really not liking the rhetoric from some people about this. Undocumented people cannot even vote and thus had no say in this election.

Wanting them to be deported because they have fucked up relatives is absolutely wild

Sandalorn posted...

I would never, ever do it myself but I am done shedding tears over it.

Trump never once hid his plan for immigrants (legal or illegal) and his life long hatred for minorities so...reap what you sow.

But the undocumented people in question didnt vote for this. Theyre not punishing the Trump supporting relatives as much theyre punishing the random undocumented person.

Peoples lives arent tools for revenge.

Between this and the ladies vowing abstinence in the name of sticking it to Trump, we're really getting things together in this country and it's only been two days since the election.

ThePrinceFish posted...

the ladies vowing abstinence in the name of sticking it to Trump

The Lysistrata Maneuver.

Literally classic.

ThePrinceFish posted...

the ladies vowing abstinence in the name of sticking it to Trump

DrizztLink posted...

The Lysistrata Maneuver.

Literally classic.

Is that a smart idea when the ruling party and the fence-sitters clearly don't view rape as a deal-breaker?

Being a Republican right now means you're horrible.

Being a Democrat right now doesn't mean ANYTHING except that you have basic survival instincts.

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I edited my initial response to better clarify things. It's a bad habit of mine to continuously reword things I post.

Or are you just saying being undocumented isn't innocent so you'd have been fine with undocumented immigrants being deported the whole time and having Trump supporter relatives have nothing to do with it.

No, and that's vile of you to suggest.
Do I really need to specify that I would sympathize with the undocumented person when I only mentioned the Trump supporter? Are you that fastidious? Or is there another motive?

Kindly stop with the bad faith, disingenuous bullshit.

Then do it there.

See above.

Then say in clear cut words what your logic is.

Person votes for no more X, is upset when X is taken away. It's a hypocrite getting what they wanted and not liking it.

Do you support that?

No, but the person who voted for Trump does and that's why I have no sympathy exclusively for the Trump supporter.

If you acknowledge that innocent family members shouldn't be hurt by what their shitty relatives do then you shouldn't. You can say "told you so" if it actually happens to them but making it happen would mean the person doing it personally is fine with actively hurting innocent casualties as long as a bad person suffers and that makes them a shitty person.

I'm not making it happen, so I'm not the bad person in such a scenario.
But since you like random ass scenarios, if I had the opportunity to stop their deportation by making them legal immigrants or shit even helping them hide I would do so without hesitation, even if their loved one voted for Trump.
Does that please you, or are you gonna hit me with some more wackass what ifs?

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Statistical proof? Not really. You can find many examples of buyers remorse from Republicans over the years, but that doesn't mean much when Trump's voting bloc is as consistent as it is.

Personal proof? No, because proof has a definition and I can't provide proof of my claims. But I have personally converted people through these methods before (obviously not the exact same scenario, but close enough). I do know that it works, and it works very consistently.

How about we flip it around. Do you have statistical proof that your high-minded methods are changing minds of Trump voters and getting the results you want?

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No, that's a completely different set of circumstances and mentalities. You're assigning a goal to me that I've never claimed, which is "if it's practical it's acceptable". (Also it's not even a practical solution because if that did happen their loved ones on both sides would be even more incensed and the problem would spread even more.)

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You said nuke them. That has specific connotations. If you'd said "bomb them" or something then you'd have gotten a different answer. And also.

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No it wouldn't. See the bracketed part 2 paragraphs up. Plus even if you just meant "bomb" instead of "nuke", that shit doesn't work, it just invites further terrorism. I'm sure they're all well aware of how it feels to have their civilians killed already, doesn't seem like they're behaving better though.

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You don't understand my logic OR their logic enough to be able to validly equate them. It's always fascinating seeing when nuances start getting discarded for people.

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Conditionally, yes. Everyone is to one degree or another, "there is no ethical consumption in capitalism" and stuff like that, I know you're no exception given where we're at. If you want to shit on me for where I draw my lines and why those are the spots I've chosen it's perfectly fine, I'm not mad and I'm not gonna take it personally or whatever.

Let me tell you right now, I easily could live a very enviable life. I continually choose not to even though it objectively makes my quality of life worse because I'm not fine with hurting innocent people just because sometimes it's practical and useful to me. But "practicality" isn't even close to being the only thing that factors into the choices I make, and even then it's not weighted very heavily (in fact I'm addicted to making shit harder on myself just for the extra challenge and to see if I can get what I want anyway, I do it all the time, lmao).

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False. You wouldn't weaponize a Bad thing against people that've enabled it to get results because it'd make you feel icky, and that's fine. I even think that's a good thing, even if it is naive. I'm out of quote blocks, but I said this earlier in the topic.

"Giving them what they asked for when it's not what they expected to get is perfectly valid strategy. I'm not happy that it's the one that works, or that shit's gotten so bad that we're in a position to allow for it to happen, but they're the ones who've rejected the nicer methods for 4+ years."

If you or anyone else wants to call me a shitty person for playing the game by the rules they've set up and using their own choices against them to try and get them to realize "hey, maybe this shit isn't a good idea, we should get it out of here", I won't even disagree. But don't you think for a second that I like those methods or that softer methods don't work either.

You can stick to your moral high ground and go into Year X+1 of trying to reach them through cleaner methods. It'd be fucking wonderful if that worked out, I'd absolutely love it. But I'm gonna play the game as it is instead of how I wish it was, regardless of how I personally feel about it.

luigi33 posted...

This is a bit self destructive, no?

This is just going to ensure latinos continue voting red. You can't just turn on people so fast, it makes your initial promises look fake.

You reap what you sow. I wouldn't go out of my way to do it, but I have no sympathy for them getting what they voted for.

xlr_big-coop posted...

This is just going to ensure latinos continue voting red. You can't just turn on people so fast, it makes your initial promises look fake.

What are we supposed to do about it? Smile at each other and hold hands? Trump took the white house. Republicans have full control of all three branches of government. And if Alito and Thomas retire, which is likely, theyll control the SC for decades to come. And WHEN Trump starts enacying Project 2025 in earnest, nothing short of actual revolution is ever going to make the situation better.

All thanks in no small part to a large contingent of people who decided to either do nothing about leopards eating their faces, or who actively supported leopards eating their faces.

My deepest sympathies to the innocent people around them who may be harmed. They genuinely dont deserve it. But the ones who helped inflict this shit? They get what they fucking deserve, and I hope everyone close to them that they hurt comes to understand what monstrous shitlords they are.

Reporting undocumented immigrants would be fucked-up and would accelerate Trump's agenda, which is the absolute last thing anyone should do. But I understand the "words won't work anymore" sentiment. Trump supporters will never be converted away from Trump by any argument. After these past several years, it's all on the table, and they don't care. They only respect power and domination, and they will only turn against Trump if Trump hurts them personally. Even that might not be enough. There's a streak of masochism to the movement, and if their own pain can give Trump pleasure, they might still view it as some sort of twisted honor.

DrizztLink posted...

How complicit would you say you are after you voted for the guy doing the deporting?

Because we all know how you voted, Stacky.

Are you actually trying to insinuate i voted for the orange?

That... that is hilarious.

No. I did not. Not in a million years. Not this election, not the last one, not the one before it.

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Yes. I agree. It still isn't great. You could have ended the post there.

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I understand where you're coming from and can appreciate your compassion. One can express only so much in a single off-the-cuff forum post but I'm glad I could clarify.

Dancedreamer posted...

tbh, I'm tired of being the good guy. Time to be the villain. It's what America wants. A villain. So let's be the fucking villains.

Exactly. Hate won so let the hate and spite flow.

Dancedreamer posted...

tbh, I'm tired of being the good guy. Time to be the villain. It's what America wants. A villain. So let's be the fucking villains.

https://youtu.be/P3ALwKeSEYs?si=CLyepyDX2Q4_wDN2

I cant believe people are writing multiple paragraph essays to try to justify their insane beliefs on this matter.

Yeah, not liking the mindset/thoughts produced by the idea

But it was, in essence, the kind of thinking that won Kamala the victory over Trump this election

Just really glad shes president now

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So we ARE supposed to just hold hands and smile, then?

Im not targeting anyone. I already said Im not reporting anyone. Im having no part in the shit that's goung to go down.

Its not my fault that a bunch of morons just voted my ability to help them and their family/friends. They wanted a leopard's help instead. I wish I could do something for the innocents caught in the crossfire. But I no longer can. And Im not gonna pretend to feel sorry for the morons who opened the door and invited the fucking vampires in.

It's horrible and it shouldn't happen. So I 100% disagree with that mentality.

With that said, people voted for it, I didn't, many others didn't. Myself and others did all we could do. It's not on us that other people chose to be morons.

If you havent, look into the 5 moral foundation theory, by Jonathan Haidt. It highlights in great detail why and how conservative and liberals differ. It extrapolates on why they often dont agree and why they see each other as misguided, in the wrong, amoral or just down right evil. Its super interesting.

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Naw. I judge both Democrat and Republican alike.

Republicans for thinking this is how the world should be and starting up this trend

Democrats for further fostering this kind of idiotic mindset that led to the thoughts ITT

Yeah, you dont like the guy, you dont like them, so now my people take it? Ive already seen this in topics regarding abortion, trans rights, and the plethora of dont talk bad about us, no please dont, you cant criticize us

my ass, miss me with that one, I already took the flack months ago

It aint right what my people did, but it aint right what people are doing in here

theAteam posted...

Ah yes let's give the Nazis exactly what they want, that'll teach them

The overwhelming majority of Jews in Germany didn't vote for the Nazi party.*

* - although a few dozen did.

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Exactly what am I doing that is "immoral and sociopathic?" Telling people who fucked around that I dont feel bad that theyre suffering the consequences of their own actions?

If youre Hispanic, voted for Trump, and now Trump is going to deport your loved ones: i wish he wouldnt. I feel horrible for them, and wish I could help them. But fuck you (the voter) for throwing caution to the wind and voting for a guy who promised to do that

If you support Gaza and either voted for Trump or refused to vote for Kamala, well, now Gaza is gonna get glassed, and probably the rest of Palestine, too. I hate that, but then, I was the one who spent the last year BEGGING people to not throw away their ability to fight in some misguided attempt to hurt the dems. Now the situation's gonna getva lot worse, there's absolutely noth8ng we can do about it, because some shitwits decided "glorious surrender"was somehow smarter than living to fight another day.

Working class people struggling to put food on the table? I never want anyone to go hungry; thats why I voted in favor of programs and regimes that will try to help them. They voted for a regime run by an abusive billionaire whose universally-condemned tarriff policies are going to make the situation unilaterally worse.

I am done with this "be nice and understanding and court them" bullshit. We've been trying that for a fucking decade. Kamala made HUGE shifts to the right in a feeble attempt to win their approval. The time has come for these bastards to face the consequences of their own actions. All of us have to. Everyone from my wife to no less than 12 of my personal friends now have fucking targets on their back from policies Trump is going to enact, from everything tanging from anti-immigrant policies, anti-lgbtq policies, putting RFK in charge of the department of health, or gutting government jobs. Im more imterested in giving help and solidarity to them than I am in reaching out to the assholes who made this bullshit possible.

I dont know what you want me to say. I already carved out an exception for the people who are just circumstantially adjacent to this sect of Trump voters. I obviously dont want them to get hurt. But again, what the fuck am I supposed to do about it, now? The right just voted in a dictator who's going to revoke every tool we have to do anything about it.

My contempt for Trump's voters is universal. I dont care what demographic it is. If you, a trump voter, are in any way negatively affected by any single Trump policy, no matter what it is, you get what you fucking deserve. I dont wish it on them, I will not assist in making it happen, and I will take no pleasure in seeing it happen. But there comes a point where you have to let people lie in the beds they make for themselves.

I'll give them the same consideration they give to another big American problem: "Thoughts and prayers."

Dancedreamer posted...

tbh, I'm tired of being the good guy. Time to be the villain. It's what America wants. A villain. So let's be the fucking villains.

No. What the actual fuck. NO.

If youre cool with innocent people getting deported as revenge for their fucked up relatives then you need to take a long fucking look in the mirror.

Your response to a fascist deporting people is.to HELP him do it???

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im pretty grossed out by some of the responses

lol hollywood gimmick seems to be running out of fuel

what word will you attach to your name now?

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

im pretty grossed out by some of the responses

Sadly it isn't surprising that some think this is the solution.

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That's how I felt about a lot of people, these past few days made me realize how quickly loyalties shift and how brittle support can be. I'll definitely have to keep the fact in DACA to myself work, might be the target of an unhinged coworker.

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I dont think taking anger out on innocent people is an acceptable reaction though. I dont think anyone in this topic has reported anyone undocumented, but their blind anger is at the very least making them somewhat accepting of it happening.

I really find that troubling

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

I dont think taking anger out on innocent people is an acceptable reaction though. I dont think anyone in this topic has reported anyone undocumented, but their blind anger is at the very least making them at least somewhat accepting of it happening.

I really find that troubling

I have no intention of cooperating with the regime.

They want a list of names, I'll refuse. They want me to point them after the person they're chasing, I'll point the wrong direction.

That being said, I can't do anything to actually protect a MAGAt's loved ones. They could have and they decided not to.

I'll sympathize with the people deported, I'll do what I can to protect people who are hiding from racism, but I'm not likely going to feel bad for the people who voted for the leopards.

They chose this and they can get through it themselves, I'll focus on helping the innocent.