Current Events > Bernie Sanders: Kamala Missed Opportunity With Joe Rogan's Show

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/sanders-kamala-missed-opportunity-with-joe-rogans-show/

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) suggested on Sunday that Vice President Kamala Harris should have gone on Joe Rogans The Joe Rogan Experience, an appearance that could have helped her reach millions of viewers who may have propelled her candidacy to a win. Look, you can have an argument with [Joe] Rogan, agree with him, disagree with him, but whats the problem going on those shows? Sanders said on State of the Union. Harris ultimately did not appear on Rogans podcast, which consistently ranks as one of the most listened-to podcasts on audio charts. President-elect Donald Trump and Vice President-elect JD Vance did sit down with the UFC commentator-turned-podcaster, who endorsed Trump just hours before polls opened on Election Day. Sanders appeared on Rogans podcast in 2019, and he touted Rogans endorsement in the 2020 Democratic presidential primary. You have an alternative media out there, a lot of podcasts that have millions and millions of viewers get on the show, Sanders said on Sunday. Disagree with you here, I agree with you there. I dont see a problem in doing that.

The Vermont senator also used the opportunity to swipe at Democratic leaders, some of whom have criticized his rebuke of the party after its resounding defeat on Tuesday. Youre right, I got vilified by some of the Democratic establishment because I went on Rogans show, he said. Now a lot of other people are doing just that.

agree 100%

there's no universe where going on hurts at all, and that's a massive audience of deeply uncritical thinkers (and some truly unsalvagable cases) that the dems just...sort of ignored

Can't say *I'd* listen at all, 'cos that's not the content I'm into, but that's millions of people you could drop some info on for the cost of, what, one plane ride and a couple hours security? Seems like a much better return on value than renting out a stadium full of people who are going to vote for you anyway

There hasn't been a more centrist/both sides campaign in the 21st century than Harris's and it ended up the first campaign to lose the popular vote in twenty years. Dem establishment needs to wake up to the fact that these "please everybody" campaigns please nobody, while working with morons like Joe Rogan actually does allow you to reach a wide varied audience at little expense to yourself.

She was getting crushed anyway, however her excuse about scheduling not allowing it to happen was weak. For an audience and platform that big you make the schedule work. She did plenty of other things to much smaller audiences and echo chambers that did her no good. Its a monumental mistake, even though she was still losing I think its worthy of criticism.

Unleash the Bernie

Just extraordinary Bernie thinks supporting the TPP was an arch-sin that could never be removed, but the guy who platformed a Holocaust denier to talk about a gene in Black people that made them more violent while going "WOW, really?!" the whole time Well, maaaaaybe we disagree on a few issues...

I agree on going on Rogan, but the hypocrisy is something else.

She was relying on people seeing endorsements from lebron and Tay tay but with no real substance. Trump and vance went and did interviews on the most popular podcast in the world.

For a candidate who only had 4 months to campaign she sure was reluctant to introduce herself.

LightSnake posted...

Just extraordinary Bernie thinks supporting the TPP was an arch-sin that could never be removed, but the guy who platformed a Holocaust denier to talk about a gene in Black people that made them more violent while going "WOW, really?!" the whole time Well, maaaaaybe we disagree on a few issues...

I agree on going on Rogan, but the hypocrisy is something else.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/f6e5ba2b.jpg

Nah, she would have done worse. Only thing she had going for her was the mystery she's a pretty terrible person otherwise if you followed her legal career. Never met a pot smoker she didn't want to imprison.

Doe posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/f6e5ba2b.jpg

I'm sorry, but Bernie's theory of politics has been completely fucking discredited. The Biden admin brought him on to help with key legislation, went through a checklist of many of his preferred policies and enacted tons to help the working class.

Not only did it not help, Bernie has shown no capacity for any self reflection or gratitude. He needs to shut the fuck up for a while just as much as Pelosi.

Bernie also championed Biden staying in the race, which would've been even more disastrous.

LightSnake posted...

Just extraordinary Bernie thinks supporting the TPP was an arch-sin that could never be removed

Thing was incredibly unpopular, too globalist for conservatives and too corporatist for progressives. Funnily enough inflation would be lower if it had passed but it really needed to have been negotiated better.

LightSnake posted...

but the guy who platformed a Holocaust denier to talk about a gene in Black people that made them more violent while going "WOW, really?!" the whole time Well, maaaaaybe we disagree on a few issues...

Joe Rogan isn't looking for votes. Bernie's worked with the likes of Ron Paul, Josh Hawley, and Ted Cruz. Candidates are judged under a stricter scope.

LightSnake posted...

Bernie has shown no capacity for any self reflection

The ironing

NO2_Fiend posted...

Nah, she would have done worse. Only thing she had going for her was the mystery she's a pretty terrible person otherwise if you followed her legal career. Never met a pot smoker she didn't want to imprison.

I dont think it helped that the "are you his daughter" clip emerged again right before the election.

LightSnake posted...

I'm sorry, but Bernie's theory of politics has been completely fucking discredited. The Biden admin brought him on to help with key legislation, went through a checklist of many of his preferred policies and enacted tons to help the working class.

Not only did it not help, Bernie has shown no capacity for any self reflection or gratitude. He needs to shut the fuck up for a while.

This is a non-sequitur. The meme I posted is about you bringing up TPP and IDK I'm guessing the lie that Bernie didn't campaign for Clinton or whatever

Smashingpmkns posted...

The ironing

I've already said our old playbook as wrong. Doesn't mean Bernie was right.
Diceheist posted...

Thing was incredibly unpopular, too globalist for conservatives and too corporatist for progressives. Funnily enough inflation would be lower if it had passed but it really needed to have been negotiated better.

It was something most people didn't understand, withdrawing from it hurt us economically and then people forgot about it. Bernie's theory on trade sucks, next.

Joe Rogan isn't looking for votes. Bernie's worked with the likes of Ron Paul, Josh Hawley, and Ted Cruz. Candidates are judged under a stricter scope.

He got the most done unde a Biden admin, wonder why.

LightSnake posted...

Just extraordinary Bernie thinks supporting the TPP was an arch-sin that could never be removed

It was. The amount of additional power it would have given to corporations was an incredibly bad thing that outweighed any benefit of sticking it to China.

Fair points.

LightSnake posted...

It was something most people didn't understand, withdrawing from it hurt us economically and then people forgot about it. Bernie's theory on trade sucks, next.

It's not always about what policies do the most, but about what policies can be sold to the public. The TPP was completely unsellable and so the correct political move was to not associate with it. Trying to argue how productive the TPP was would've been as useless as arguing how good Bidenonomics technically is this year.

Diceheist posted...

It's not always about what policies do the most, but about what policies can be sold to the public. The TPP was completely unsellable and so the correct political move was to not associate with it. Trying to argue how productive the TPP was would've been as useless as arguing how good Bidenonomics technically is this year.

It was only 'unsellable' because of Bernie, and he was wrong. Next.

Meet the people where they are, and all that. That can also mean be visible on the platforms they're watching, even if it means walking into enemy territory. What passes for the left here in America doesn't have anything that approaches the visibility of Rogan that isn't legacy media.

I don't think messaging about policy, economic averages, or threats to democracy are going to win the next few elections; it'll be populism, rhetoric, and a referendum on the incumbent government each time. While educated people understand those things, the median voter does not, and the latter outnumbers the former.

It's not illegal to campaign on populist, big-change promises and then deliver incremental improvements; those improvements have to be explained in simple, lowest-common-denominator terms. And they need to be explained where voters will actually hear them. The GOP has been doing this (and delivering incremental destruction) for decades.

I grant that I could be wrong. Maybe policy and rational discussion will carry the day in the future (assuming we have meaningful elections). I don't think I am wrong, but we'll have to see what comes out of the 2024 postmortem.

LightSnake posted...

It was only 'unsellable' because of Bernie, and he was wrong. Next.

There's no way an Obama initiative failed with the public because of a barely known Vermont independent with no allies. People such as unions already had issues with the TPP in 2015 before Bernie announced his campaign, back when they wanted Warren to run instead.

https://www.vox.com/2015/4/20/8445991/afl-cio-tpp-obama-trumka

LightSnake posted...

I'm sorry, but Bernie's theory of politics has been completely fucking discredited. The Biden admin brought him on to help with key legislation, went through a checklist of many of his preferred policies and enacted tons to help the working class.

Not only did it not help, Bernie has shown no capacity for any self reflection or gratitude. He needs to shut the fuck up for a while just as much as Pelosi.

Bernie also championed Biden staying in the race, which would've been even more disastrous.

Yeah, and they passed about 20% of what Bernie's agenda was - and I mean 20% of Build Back Better before it became the Inflation Reduction Act. They passed far less than that of what a Bernie presidency agenda would be.

Diceheist posted...

There's no way an Obama initiative failed with the public because of a barely known Vermont independent with no allies. People such as unions already had issues with the TPP in 2015 before Bernie announced his campaign, back when they wanted Warren to run instead.

https://www.vox.com/2015/4/20/8445991/afl-cio-tpp-obama-trumka

I could do lengthy writeups of Obamas complex and oftentimes bad relations with labor unions along with Tom Perez's labor tenure.

Bernie brought TPP into the mainstream as "The Bad Thing" so that even his delegates at the DNC brought it up as a reason they couldn't vote Clinton and she publicly backed off supporting it.

_Blur_ posted...

Yeah, and they passed about 20% of what Bernie's agenda was - and I mean 20% of Build Back Better before it became the Inflation Reduction Act. They passed far less than that of what a Bernie presidency agenda would be.

don't think this is true unless we think Bernie had about 3 extra Democrats in the Senate. Biden delivered a great deal for rural workers, and they didn't much care at the end.

I doubt her being on the show would have helped much, but it certainly wouldnt hurt. As much of a dumb ape brain Rogan is, hes not really a hostile interviewer and comes off as someone that mainly wants to hang out and shoot the shit on his shows.

LightSnake posted...

I could do lengthy writeups of Obamas complex and oftentimes bad relations with labor unions along with Tom Perez's labor tenure.

Bernie brought TPP into the mainstream as "The Bad Thing" so that even his delegates at the DNC brought it up as a reason they couldn't vote Clinton and she publicly backed off supporting it.

don't think this is true unless we think Bernie had about 3 extra Democrats in the Senate. Biden delivered a great deal for rural workers, and they didn't much care at the end.

There was a LOT in Build Back Better that was taken out. I agree with you wholeheartedly - Biden did a ton more than any leftist expected and this is to be lauded - and he tried to do a whole lot more. He just wasn't able to make it happen.

_Blur_ posted...

There was a LOT in Build Back Better that was taken out. I agree with you wholeheartedly - Biden did a ton more than any leftist expected and this is to be lauded - and he tried to do a whole lot more. He just wasn't able to make it happen.

Just my point, though: Biden went through a lot of what Sanders, specifically Sander,s had said would be the key to winning over the working class. It didn't make much a difference.

We did lose the working class here, Trump won them because of inflation and immigration and we need to tailor this going forward. But Bernie is just as unable to adjust his priors as Third Way Dems screaming it's the fault of the Left and Trans people.

Fact is, we have a messaging issue and need to meet voters closer to where they arre, in addition to finding ways to ensure the message gets heard.

If she went on Joe Rogan and skipped Fox News, Bernie and everyone on this site would be saying how she should have done Fox News to reach people.

Kamala did a lot of interviews and did a lot of things to reach out to people. It seems like people are trying to come up excuses rather than call the thing, the thing. Americans don't want a black woman in a seat of power.

They allowed her to be Vice President because there was a White Man over her, but they would never allow her to be president.

In American History there have been a grand total of
5 black women Senators (Kamala being 1),
1 black woman Supreme Court Justice,
0 black women Governors

She could have gone on Joe Rogan but there is no reason to think that would have made any difference. She is a black woman, America would not elect her to be president, and we were naive to think otherwise.

LightSnake posted...

But Bernie is just as unable to adjust his priors as Third Way Dems screaming it's the fault of the Left and Trans people.

Bernie does not need to adjust because he has not been shown to fail in charge yet. Biden did not conduct his presidency the way Bernie would've, regardless of him passing a few Bernie policies.

Diceheist posted...

Bernie does not need to adjust because he has not been shown to fail in charge yet. Biden did not conduct his presidency the way Bernie would've, regardless of him passing a few Bernie policies.

This is a self own, because Bernie keeps losing at the earliest stages. Then Biden puts his theories into action and it doesn't help

LightSnake posted...

This is a self own, because Bernie keeps losing at the earliest stages.

The one time Bernie became the frontrunner, party leadership nigh unanimously endorsed a guy who was behind. Biden gets to put things into action because even if his primary campaign starts off a gigantic flop he'll still be granted a 400 something endorsement lead over every other candidate without merit.

Maybe we're in this position because party leaders don't butt out and let voters choose organically.

The idea that people remember and based their vote on the candidate's stance on the TPP is the most out of touch with reality take I have seen yet.

He cannot be serious

It's easy to say "should have done x" after the fact. It's also important to note that being on the Joe Rogan show didn't help Bernie win his primary for 2020 election so it's not like a sure thing either.

I think ultimately the only thing that needed to be done was the dems needed to really work up Biden's accomplishments on the economy and talk about how Harris would continue Biden's economy. Ultimately the election was lost over perceived economy issues.

If anything, I stand by the fact that Trump was able to freely avoid doing debates hurt Harris the most as it lost the main way to compare Harris policies to Trump.

Ultimately I think Bernie and the dems are both focused on the wrong thing here. Playing the blame game does not help anything now. It's more important to fortified policies against the upcoming Trump admin and start preparing for lawsuits.

Tmaster148 posted...

It's easy to say "should have done x" after the fact. It's also important to note that being on the Joe Rogan show didn't help Bernie win his primary for 2020 election so it's not like a sure thing either.

No duh it didn't help win a primary, mainstreams Democrats definitely don't like Rogan, but we're talking about undecideds here.

Diceheist posted...

The one time Bernie became the frontrunner, party leadership nigh unanimously endorsed a guy who was behind. Biden gets to put things into action because even if his primary campaign starts off a gigantic flop he'll still be granted a 400 something endorsement lead over every other candidate without merit.

Maybe we're in this position because party leaders don't butt out and let voters choose organically.

so Bernie is bad at politics? Got it. Also Biden wasnt so behind after SC

Even if she didn't want to go she should have never ever EVER sent Fetterman instead. Horrible decision.

I dont want to live in a world where presidential candidates need to go on Joe Rogan's podcast

Bernie's right

again

She should go on now. The yoke of running for president isn't on her, she doesn't have to campaign. She can breathe and be herself

I don't think it would have changed the election but yes she should have

Hell Sanders went on Rogan and did so well even the chuds were like "Huh, I thought he was a commie but he's actually kinda cool unlike other dems."

RetsuZaiZen posted...

He cannot be serious

Ive seen many people say that this wouldve given her A LOT of exposure that she otherwise wouldnt have gotten. This election was decided more by podcasters and twitter tha people watching commercials.

LightSnake posted...

so Bernie is bad at politics? Got it.

Bernie highly overperformed for an independent socialist. Previous similar candidates such as Mike Gravel and Dennis Kucinich got like 1%. His archetype is just not designed to do well in a primary where mainstream party approval is required to achieve a majority.

Letting Trump slip through on a plurality in 2016 was massively beneficial to the GOP. In the future Dems should not be so plurality candidate avoidant.

people on THIS BOARD criticized her when she first planned to

Bernie Sanders going into a "I told you so" phase when he already knows the party doesn't listen to him.