Current Events > Should Trudeau resign?

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Biden waited too long and it hurt the democrats campaign.
There's already been calls within the liberal party for Justin Trudeau to step down as his popularity is at an all time low.
People at this point are burnt out and had enough of him. Is it finally time for him to step aside?

Does Canada want a nice and healthy New England to add to their Province collection?

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Pollievre, sadly, is an inevitability.

You don't vote for prime ministers in Canada, do you? It's a parliamentary system.

Considering Poliviere is running purely on "Trudeau Bad" and Trudeau is VERY unpopular now? Yes, he REALLY needs to resign.

DodogamaRayBrst posted...

You don't vote for prime ministers in Canada, do you? It's a parliamentary system.

Correct but an unpopular PM pulls the whole party down.

I'd say Trudeau should resign just to keep the leadership fresh.... but our current runner up is a giant PP.

If anything Trudeau is kinda stuck and HAS to stay in charge

Trudeau is only really unpopular with people who were never gonna vote Liberal anyways. I don't know many Liberal people who are hating on Trudeau.

DodogamaRayBrst posted...

You don't vote for prime ministers in Canada, do you? It's a parliamentary system.

Correct, you can only directly vote for a PM candidate if they're the MP for your riding.

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her election. The question becomes whether a second election would lead to the conservatives losing power or securing a majority.

In the lead up to the last two elections there were also a lot of people saying that Trudeau should resign or else the Conservatives would win, and yet he won both of them. It's a bit hard for me to get an accurate idea if that's what's happening again, or if this time that actually is the case.

No. There's no other liberal leader available right now, and there's no situation him stepping down would support anything other than helping push a conservative victory.

Pierre Pollievre is Trump without any of the charisma, so once Trump-ism starts to cause problems and lose popularity his campaign will be sunk. The Cons are desperate for an election as soon as possible, and they can't get one unless something stupid like Trudeau stepping down.

A Con win is still likely because nothing matters, but Trudeau stepping down won't help anything.

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He'll be worse.

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He's gonna be so much worse, let's be real. He landed the position of leader after previous leaders had their losses blamed on being too far left.

To be fair, the Libs won in spite of themselves the last two times. Tories got more votes both times.

Fact is that the Liberals under Trudeau have been on borrowed time for a while.

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Unfortunately we do not have proportional representation and follow a first past the post system.

I'll follow local polling - my MP used to be NDP but switched to Liberal - and either continue to vote NDP if it's safely either or, but will hold my nose to vote Liberal to help prevent a Conservative government. After the disappointing elections results down south, I don't feel too optimistic about the future.

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No. In Canada, an election can theoretically be called at any time, and are often called early if the government feels like they're in a position to grow from an election.

Trudeau called an election basically the second COVID was starting to cool off a bit in hopes he could turn his minority back into a majority. People didn't like COVID being used like this, and he ended up basically with a minority government again.

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Not really done as an emergency, the government can call an election whenever they want. There's a maximum limit to how long they can go without calling one, but no minimum limit. Most people criticized the election for being called during the pandemic, with people feeling it was just a move to secure a longer mandate while being seen favorably during a crisis. His opponents had as much actual time to prepare as any election, but it might have caught them off guard to do it during the circumstances.

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If he didn't resign after being found out he did black face and his government celebrating a Nazi, why would he resign now?

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

Trudeau is only really unpopular with people who were never gonna vote Liberal anyways. I don't know many Liberal people who are hating on Trudeau.

That's just untrue. Look at the recent BC election, there's been reports of people voting Conservative because they wanted to oust Trudeau not realizing that Provincial elections are different from Federal ones and that there isn't even a Liberal Provincial party any more (and that the old BC Liberals weren't connected to the Federal Liberals.

There's absolutely a lot of people who are planning to vote Conservative who would otherwise vote Liberal but are tired of Trudeau.

Trump lite and actually Trump North America gonna collapse so hard

Enclave posted...

That's just untrue. Look at the recent BC election, there's been reports of people voting Conservative because they wanted to oust Trudeau not realizing that Provincial elections are different from Federal ones and that there isn't even a Liberal Provincial party any more (and that the old BC Liberals weren't connected to the Federal Liberals.

There's absolutely a lot of people who are planning to vote Conservative who would otherwise vote Liberal but are tired of Trudeau.

So a bunch of idiots who didn't realize that the provincial government was different from the Feds? I mean this with all sincerity, are people who don't realize what election is actually taking place going to care if Trudeau resigns? Haven't they already moved on from the Libs at this point?

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Harper was pretty good overall. He provided rock steady navigation through the financial crisis and as a result Canada was barely tickled (initially anyway, our housing policies have finally caught up to us).

Harper's undoing was the same as every Canadian leader. They last 10 years at most before they get conceited and their best before date comes due. When they're no longer palatable, they get voted out for the least bad alternative. Depending on how good that alternative ends up being, they may last 10 years themselves, or they may not even make it a whole election cycle.

Harper's muzzling of scientists and slashing of the census were the primary reasons when 2015 came around that I voted him out. Trudeau obviously attracted a lot of voters with his policies at the time, which other than legalizing marijuana have all been flat out lies. His voters have evaporated, and the Liberals are toast no matter what they do.

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

So a bunch of idiots who didn't realize that the provincial government was different from the Feds? I mean this with all sincerity, are people who don't realize what election is actually taking place going to care if Trudeau resigns? Haven't they already moved on from the Libs at this point?

There's a lot of people who are PROFOUNDLY dumb when it comes to politics.

Also no, they haven't necessarily moved on from the Liberals, they very much see the party right now as Trudeau. He specifically is incredibly unpopular right now. Canada has a way of identifying the party with the leader of the party and changing leaders can completely change peoples perceptions of the party, as long as they do it early enough.

Enclave posted...

There's a lot of people who are PROFOUNDLY dumb when it comes to politics.

Also no, they haven't necessarily moved on from the Liberals, they very much see the party right now as Trudeau. He specifically is incredibly unpopular right now. Canada has a way of identifying the party with the leader of the party and changing leaders can completely change peoples perceptions of the party, as long as they do it early enough.

I get that. As an NDP guy myself, we were never stronger than when Jack Layton was our leader before he passed. I don't think there is anyone currently in the Liberal Party who is going to move the needle much for most people. I mean sure there is the whole, "Not Trudeau" of it all I guess, but then I kinda assume it will just maybe move people over to Jagmeet Singh (I find him incredibly likeable) which as an NDP guy I support wholeheartedly, but I don't know what it does for the Liberals.

Either way it is likely going to be a major Liberal defeat.

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

I get that. As an NDP guy myself, we were never stronger than when Jack Layton was our leader before he passed. I don't think there is anyone currently in the Liberal Party who is going to move the needle much for most people. I mean sure there is the whole, "Not Trudeau" of it all I guess, but then I kinda assume it will just maybe move people over to Jagmeet Singh (I find him incredibly likeable) which as an NDP guy I support wholeheartedly, but I don't know what it does for the Liberals.

Either way it is likely going to be a major Liberal defeat.

Oh I agree, odds are high that the Liberal party is fucked but I do think their only hope of stopping a Conservative majority is a change of leadership. If they can find somebody charismatic enough they could definitely do a good bit of damage reduction.

The fact that people will be voting for PP just because they fucking hate Trudeau isn't fantastic. We're not in great shape regardless, and I feel like we're heading directly in the line of fire of a Conservative majority, which is shit. If Layton didn't die, I really feel like he would have changed Canada's trajectory, but here we are.

With the talk of Jack Layton, figured I'd post his last letter to Canadians.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/jack-layton-s-last-letter-to-canadians-1.991992

Really quite touching and it's absolutely criminal that he never became Prime Minister.

Enclave posted...

With the talk of Jack Layton, figured I'd post his last letter to Canadians.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/jack-layton-s-last-letter-to-canadians-1.991992

Really quite touching and it's absolutely criminal that he never became Prime Minister.

NDP really never will have a shot

Sayoria posted...

Does Canada want a nice and healthy New England to add to their Province collection?

As an Alaskan, I offer my state as well, as a gift to the Canadian people

Please adopt us

ShineboxPhil posted...

NDP really never will have a shot

If Canada ever gets through proportional representation then it can happen, not right away but in time.

He should resign, but I'm not under any delusion that it'll help the liberals enough to keep PP from winning.

I don't have a problem with Trudeau, but if the Liberal party wants to stay in power, he HAS to resign.

Conservative messaging is prevailing, even super-left communities like mine are buying into their messaging. These guys scream carbon tax, immigrants, wokeness, and see Dumpy getting in to the U.S. We're not far behind from being a conservative hell-hole too.

It's sad, because I really wanted Deus Ex: Human Revolution to be right when they predicted Trudeau to be PM in 2027... they also said he'd be married (welp!).

But if Trudeau resigns, then it will be ok for fence-sitters to be on the liberal side again. Right now Poilievre is the only option for Trudeau to be defeated, and he *will* be defeated if he calls an election.

I liked Layton (the best was watching him celebrate men's hockey 2010 gold medal in a bar). And I like Singh, he is really well spoken, and intelligent, but NDP is a distant 4th in the running (behind even the Bloc Quebecois).

But yeah, anything that splits the left vote is going to pave the way for the right to come in. The only thing the right does well is sticking together.

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Oh, you sweet summer child....

Enclave posted...

If Canada ever gets through proportional representation then it can happen, not right away but in time.

Trudeau promised it. Some people voted for his party just for that. Then, after they won, he refused to do it. Those voters will never support them again.

gg Trudeau...

andri_g posted...

Trudeau promised it. Some people voted for his party just for that. Then, after they won, he refused to do it. Those voters will never support them again.

gg Trudeau...

You know why Trudeau didn't go through with it right?

He didn't want proportional representation he wanted ranked choice because their internal polling showed that would basically ensure the Liberal Party would dominate all elections. He didn't go through with the vote though because too many wanted proportional representation which would have been a threat to Liberal and Conservative power rather than just a threat to Conservative power alone.

Enclave posted...

He didn't want proportional representation he wanted ranked choice because their internal polling showed that would basically ensure the Liberal Party would dominate all elections. He didn't go through with the vote though because too many wanted proportional representation which would have been a threat to Liberal and Conservative power rather than just a threat to Conservative power alone.

well maybe he shouldn't have made it such a big point of promise if he wasn't gonna do it then

it being less good for him than he expected doesn't make going back on his word any less bad

andri_g posted...

Trudeau promised it. Some people voted for his party just for that. Then, after they won, he refused to do it. Those voters will never support them again.

He wasn't punished for two elections since abandoning proportional representation. Most Canadians don't care.

He's going to lose because of all the other shit that's piled up neck high.

kirbymuncher posted...

well maybe he shouldn't have made it such a big point of promise if he wasn't gonna do it then

it being less good for him than he expected doesn't make going back on his word any less bad

Lol, trust me, I agree. I'm just saying why he made the idiotic decision that he did.

I think Trudeau still genuinely believes that, if he can just hold on long enough to take it to an election, that he can beat PP on the stump well enough to hold the Tories to at least a minority. Poilievre is good for slogans, but I suspect Trudeau thinks that he'll buckle once he has to actually talk policy.

And with Trump set to take power, I wouldn't be surprised to see Trudeau talk about the need to keep a steady hand on the tiller, and back a leader who will stand up for Canadian interests. It's a hell of a gamble, but it *could* work.

See, that's the problem, he's never going to get Poilievre to talk policy, Poilievre will always deflect since he knows Conservative policy actually polls very unpopular. He's doing everything he can to make this all about Trudeau and the carbon tax (even though the average person gets more rebate than cost from the carbon tax but Poilievre bets on people being low info and dumb about politics and that's a pretty fucking safe bet).

Enclave posted...

He didn't go through with the vote though because too many wanted proportional representation which would have been a threat to Liberal and Conservative power rather than just a threat to Conservative power alone.

kirbymuncher posted...

well maybe he shouldn't have made it such a big point of promise if he wasn't gonna do it then

Enclave posted...

I agree.

? Is this the most Canadian "argument over politics" on CE, ever ("Now, let's go get a beer...")? lol
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Frostshock posted...

He wasn't punished for two elections since abandoning proportional representation. Most Canadians don't care.

If one was during COVID and he didn't screw-up during it (?), voters likely gave him a free pass for it.

Otherwise, I've heard Canadians *can be* apathetic, but that sounds too ridiculous to be true.

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