Current Events > Looks like we need a new plan for the Democrats

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As long as the establishment Democrats continue their failing ideology, the left will never be united. So it seems that in order to have a chance at getting rid of the Republican party as it currently is, the establishment Democrats need to be removed first. The million dollar question is, how? Money plays an important part in politics, and rich people, even rich Democrats, are right leaning. So how can non establishment Democrats raise funds? There's also the obstacle of said establishment Democrats fighting tooth and nail (something they never do against Republicans) to keep any other ideology out of the public eye.

Burn the entire party to the ground, pick out the rough bits that survived the fire and burn it again. Piss on the ashes.

build a new party

Dynedux posted...

Burn the entire party to the ground, pick out the rough bits that survived the fire and burn it again. Piss on the ashes.

build a new party

This goes for the GOP as well.

LonelyStoner posted...

This goes for the GOP as well.

Except for the rebuilding part.

EPR-radar posted...

Except for the rebuilding part.

And double up the piss and fire

They need to lean into the populism and stuff Trump does. People don't give a shit about policy, they want vibes.

Trying to talk reasonably about policy when they don't have a good policy to begin with is why they keep losing to nothing of value.

Abandon them. Support PSL.

Not putting forward warhawks and corporate shills who focus heavily on military spending would be a great place to start. Next, purge the ranks. Altogether, we need untainted leaders in every corner of the government. After that, dont even consider anybody older than 50 for anything. Period.

We need a Democratic Party that does not believe in trickle down economics. We need democratic leaders who can stand up to red state governors. We need a very, very strong focus on ALL people in the country, and we honestly need to see this come from punishing corporations who dishonestly priced us out of our ways of life. Get rid of any form of medical bills. No payment, no insurance companies, just the government covering the cost with money thats being wasted on foreign warfare.

Pedo sex trafficker Matt Gaetz is about to be head of the justice department and you're concerned with destroying the Democratic Party. Whatever.

EPR-radar posted...

Except for the rebuilding part.

No, that part too. Rebuild it as what the Democrats are now, more or less. Rebuild the Democrats as something like what most of the world would consider left-wing.

Payzmaykr posted...

Not putting forward warhawks and corporate shills who focus heavily on military spending would be a great place to start. Next, purge the ranks. Altogether, we need untainted leaders in every corner of the government. After that, dont even consider anybody older than 50 for anything. Period.

We need a Democratic Party that does not believe in trickle down economics. We need democratic leaders who can stand up to red state governors. We need a very, very strong focus on ALL people in the country, and we honestly need to see this come from punishing corporations who dishonestly priced us out of our ways of life. Get rid of any form of medical bills. No payment, no insurance companies, just the government covering the cost with money thats being wasted on foreign warfare.

This.

Not putting forward warhawks and corporate shills who focus heavily on military spending would be a great place to start. Next, purge the ranks. Altogether, we need untainted leaders in every corner of the government. After that, dont even consider anybody older than 50 for anything. Period.

We need a Democratic Party that does not believe in trickle down economics. We need democratic leaders who can stand up to red state governors. We need a very, very strong focus on ALL people in the country, and we honestly need to see this come from punishing corporations who dishonestly priced us out of our ways of life. Get rid of any form of medical bills. No payment, no insurance companies, just the government covering the cost with money thats being wasted on foreign warfare.

That sounds little better then the Green Party.

Dynedux posted...

Burn the entire party to the ground, pick out the rough bits that survived the fire and burn it again. Piss on the ashes.

build a new party

We don't have time for that.

My quick thoughts after the election:

1. It's not surprising we lost given inflation, which is knocking incumbent parties out of power all over the world. The bigger concern is the demographic shifts.
2. Really push progressive economic policies.
3. Take a step back from certain unpopular social issues.

Stop leaving races uncontested. No Republican should run unopposed for any office in the country.

Proto_Spark posted...

They need to lean into the populism and stuff Trump does. People don't give a shit about policy, they want vibes.

Trying to talk reasonably about policy when they don't have a good policy to begin with is why they keep losing to nothing of value.

It doesn't matter if they do or don't have a good policy. Most people are too ignorant to comprehend it either way. Just tell them you'll make the economy good and do whatever they want on whatever pet issue they like. You can also just tell other groups different things. You don't have to say the same thing to each group. You can just say whatever and then when you get elected do something else entirely and it won't matter because most voters won't remember. Stop trying to convince someone with a relevant college degree on public policy to vote for you and start trying to convince a rando you met on the street to join your cool organization for people who want to get rich fast.

Good luck once Republicans start murdering them.

sfcalimari posted...

Pedo sex trafficker Matt Gaetz is about to be head of the justice department and you're concerned with destroying the Democratic Party. Whatever.

The Democratic party had their chances, many chances, to set the Republicans straight. Not only did they fail, they refused to change strategies. They're no longer worthy of leadership. They let the Republicans get all 3 branches of government because of their stubbornness. And worst of all, they did it with Trump as the major threat. We need leaders who will stomp the GOP, not let them run amok.

Holy_Cloud105 posted...

Good luck once Republicans start murdering them.

If the Republicans want to return to an era where politicians murdered each other, then so be it.

A weakness of the Dems is that they have to represent all these different groups, and many of those groups hate each other.

A weakness of the Dems is that they have to represent all these different groups, and many of those groups hate each other.

This election showed Woman and Latinos won't really support each other based on what happened...

Hornswoggled posted...

A weakness of the Dems is that they have to represent all these different groups, and many of those groups hate each other.

You just tell different things to the different groups.

LonelyStoner posted...

This goes for the GOP as well.

Yes except we skip the build a new party part

Hornswoggled posted...

A weakness of the Dems is that they have to represent all these different groups, and many of those groups hate each other.

Republicans also hate each other, but they still unite.

Necronmon posted...

This election showed Woman and Latinos won't really support each other based on what happened...

One thing we learned is that America isn't ready for a woman President.

ssjevot posted...

You just tell different things to the different groups.

This. Republicans have given us insight as to how attention deficit the average American is.

nocturnal_traveler posted...

The Democratic party had their chances, many chances, to set the Republicans straight. Not only did they fail, they refused to change strategies. They're no longer worthy of leadership. They let the Republicans get all 3 branches of government because of their stubbornness. And worst of all, they did it with Trump as the major threat. We need leaders who will stomp the GOP, not let them run amok.

There are better maymays about "we shouldn't vote for Democrats wait why aren't Democrats stopping this" but this will do.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/9b330f7b.jpg

sfcalimari posted...

There are better maymays about "we shouldn't vote for Democrats wait why aren't Democrats stopping this" but this will do.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/9b330f7b.jpg

If only that picture were accurate. Republicans did drill the hole, but Democrats aren't even trying to get the water out. Besides, I'm not saying to stop voting for Democrats. I'm saying to get the establishment Democrats out of office. That is on the voters to do. Perhaps start by educating the general population how primaries work. Also start paying attention when establishment Democrats are sabotaging the Progressive Democrats, and try to counter them.

nocturnal_traveler posted...

If only that picture were accurate. Republicans did drill the hole, but Democrats aren't even trying to get the water out. Besides, I'm not saying to stop voting for Democrats. I'm saying to get the establishment Democrats out of office. That is on the voters to do. Perhaps start by educating the general population how primaries work. Also start paying attention when establishment Democrats are sabotaging the Progressive Democrats, and try to counter them.

I think its a solid picture. If the Democrats wanted to do something more progressive, they'd plug the hole, but they'd rather bucket the water out to make the struggle last longer.

The only thing the picture is missing is a tool box or a shitload of duct tape the democrats don't want to use for some reason.

I think its a solid picture. If the Democrats wanted to do something more progressive, they'd plug the hole, but they'd rather bucket the water out to make the struggle last longer.

The only thing the picture is missing is a tool box or a s***load of duct tape the democrats don't want to use for some reason.

If they don't have the votes to do moderate things how do you expect them to get votes for radical things other then a full hostile take over?

Necronmon posted...

If they don't have the votes to do moderate things how do you expect them to get votes for radical things other then a full hostile take over?

It's because the only way to fight the Republicans is to unite. And the only way to unite is for the establishment Democrats to stop acting like diet Republicans.

Make vague, absurd promises that offer immediate fixes to peoples' problems like Trump does, but don't explain how they would possibly be implemented.

Another thing I learned about Humans, is that despite millions of years of evolution, might still makes right in their eyes. Now anyone with a fully functioning brain can tell that Trump is the farthest example of this, we're not dealing with fully functioning brains. We're dealing with cavemen. And since we no longer live in a society where Trump would have to prove his strength, displays of confidence and bravado will do.

To the average American, establishment Democrats don't display any of these. However, Progressive Democrats do, which is why the establishment Democrats fight hard to keep them out of the public eye. Like it or not, we live in a primitive society, and must start treating it as such until their brains can adjust to the future.

Hyena_Of_Ice posted...

Make vague, absurd promises that offer immediate fixes to peoples' problems like Trump does, but don't explain how they would possibly be implemented.

Harris did this with controlling price gouging and all anybody said was it would be impossible to implement cause Congress would never go for it.

I don't think Dems get that luxury, they have to be beyond perfect while Republicans are held to no standards at all.

Kradek posted...

Harris did this with controlling price gouging and all anybody said was it would be impossible to implement cause Congress would never go for it.

I don't think Dems get that luxury, they have to be beyond perfect while Republicans are held to no standards at all.

That's because they're talking to the wrong people. Also, these are the establishment Democrats doing the talking. They have yet to prove themselves to the average American, and while leftists like to think they're above such primitive thinking, they're really not. To a lot of left wingers, seeing the establishment Democrats try to work with the Republicans, and not go hard on them, is showing weakness to them.

nocturnal_traveler posted...

That's because they're talking to the wrong people. Also, these are the establishment Democrats doing the talking. They have yet to prove themselves to the average American, and while leftists like to think they're above such primitive thinking, they're really not. To a lot of left wingers, seeing the establishment Democrats try to work with the Republicans, and not go hard on them, is showing weakness to them.

I was mostly talking about the average voter and it doesn't help that our media was saying that, too. Gotta scrutinize how Harris's price gouging idea won't make it through Congress while saying "Trump's plan" when his only plans are literally 1) Tariffs and 2) Getting rid of brown people will solve all other problems, yet our shit ass media just kept legitimizing him every fucking week.

Also curious how he actually became the oldest person elected to the Presidency AND NOT A SINGLE FUCKING MEDIA AGENCY OR PERSON IN GENERAL WENT AFTER HIM ON THIS LIKE THEY DID BIDEN EVEN THOUGH TRUMP HAS OBJECTIVELY BEEN LOSING HIS MIND AND RAN THE WORST CAMPAIGN IN OUR MODERN HISTORY.

I'm just so fucking sick of this country.

Kradek posted...

I was mostly talking about the average voter and it doesn't help that our media was saying that, too. Gotta scrutinize how Harris's price gouging idea won't make it through Congress while saying "Trump's plan" when his only plans are literally 1) Tariffs and 2) Getting rid of brown people will solve all other problems, yet our shit ass media just kept legitimizing him every fucking week.

Also curious how he actually became the oldest person elected to the Presidency AND NOT A SINGLE FUCKING MEDIA AGENCY OR PERSON IN GENERAL WENT AFTER HIM ON THIS LIKE THEY DID BIDEN EVEN THOUGH TRUMP HAS OBJECTIVELY BEEN LOSING HIS MIND AND RAN THE WORST CAMPAIGN IN OUR MODERN HISTORY.

I'm just so fucking sick of this country.

Sadly we do have a big disadvantage due to the Republicans owning all the major media. That's all the more reason we have to get rid of the establishment Democrats. The GOP spent decades building up their power and influence, while the establishment Democrats did very little to do the same, and got rid of anyone that tried.