Current Events > MSG. Does it enhance or eliminate original food taste?

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Or in between?

it enhances the savory flavor of food by activating the glutamate receptors in your taste buds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiqkclCJsZs

If something doesn't have MSG, does it even have flavor?

I mean almost everything in american food has msg every single snack and fast food unless it says they dont

I am a basic.

I want to taste the actual food.

Adding spices works, but not if it eliminates the food itself.

It makes everything better

Mobile Suit Gundam makes everything better.

MI4_REAL posted...

I am a basic.

I want to taste the actual food.

Adding spices works, but not if it eliminates the food itself.

Which spices eliminate the flavor of food?

MSG on its own exists. If you add ketchup to anything you're adding essentially adding MSG or rather glutamates. Anything that is a source of glutamate is secretly MSG. You REALLY like cheese on your burgers and find burgers are basically inedible unless they have cheese on them (inb4 you say kraft is plastic, it uses cheddar which contains significant glutamates in it)? Glutamate was responsible for that along with meats synergy to those glutamates with inosine and guanylate. Cheese was basically MEANT to be on burgers because of that synergy.

Your doritos are insanely finely tuned by food scientists to maximize the effects of glutamate in it along with inosine and guanylate. If you ever wonder why doritos seems addictive and how eating more makes it taste even better until you're a fucking squirrel with doritos jammed in your cheeks?
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/2ba51597.jpg
The circled is the reason for that. You see more cheese (more sources of glutamate) in there along with garlic and onion powder. Hell that tomato powder (note tomato paste) is more glutamate bombs packed into one tiny chip of delicious flavor.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8fb4e948.jpg

Now can you make something by bombing it full of MSG? No absolutely not, you get this weird chemically taste if you do it. But if you follow a good ratio of seasoning using MSG and throw in Inosine and Guanylate as amplifiers you have a banger that people find "flavorful."

I'd know because I personally fucked around with making several different experiments using chicken with just salt, just msg, just I+G, and msg with I+G, and finally salt with MSG and I+G. The final combination tastes and feels MUCH more satisfying to the tongue. I'm not saying it's mandatory to do this in all your cooking, but if you're looking to level up, MSG and I+G make like a 20-30% difference in flavor and mouth feel.

Now don't fuck up the ratios or add this shit to everything. For hahas in thanksgiving dinner I decided to add MSG and I+G (just the right amount about 2% of the weight) and everyone noted that the potatoes tasted as if they were eating meat. Nobody liked that. It wasn't that it tasted bad, but the perception of eating mush that tastes like meat was very awkward. I liked it, but I appreciate people's honesty about it. Meat flavored mashed potatoes is odd. So this isn't something you can just willy nilly add to everything to make things "flavorful."

https://youtu.be/D8BXYIZ_7sE

Anyway if you're interested in the food science of MSG and its applications watch this video.

badjay posted...

MSG on its own exists. If you add ketchup to anything you're adding essentially adding MSG or rather glutamates. Anything that is a source of glutamate is secretly MSG. You REALLY like cheese on your burgers and find burgers are basically inedible unless they have cheese on them (inb4 you say kraft is plastic, it uses cheddar which contains significant glutamates in it)? Glutamate was responsible for that along with meats synergy to those glutamates with inosine and guanylate. Cheese was basically MEANT to be on burgers because of that synergy.

Your doritos are insanely finely tuned by food scientists to maximize the effects of glutamate in it along with inosine and guanylate. If you ever wonder why doritos seems addictive and how eating more makes it taste even better until you're a fucking squirrel with doritos jammed in your cheeks?
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/2ba51597.jpg
The circled is the reason for that. You see more cheese (more sources of glutamate) in there along with garlic and onion powder. Hell that tomato powder (note tomato paste) is more glutamate bombs packed into one tiny chip of delicious flavor.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8fb4e948.jpg

Now can you make something by bombing it full of MSG? No absolutely not, you get this weird chemically taste if you do it. But if you follow a good ratio of seasoning using MSG and throw in Inosine and Guanylate as amplifiers you have a banger that people find "flavorful."

I'd know because I personally fucked around with making several different experiments using chicken with just salt, just msg, just I+G, and msg with I+G, and finally salt with MSG and I+G. The final combination tastes and feels MUCH more satisfying to the tongue. I'm not saying it's mandatory to do this in all your cooking, but if you're looking to level up, MSG and I+G make like a 20-30% difference in flavor and mouth feel.

Now don't fuck up the ratios or add this shit to everything. For hahas in thanksgiving dinner I decided to add MSG and I+G (just the right amount about 2% of the weight) and everyone noted that the potatoes tasted as if they were eating meat. Nobody liked that. It wasn't that it tasted bad, but the perception of eating mush that tastes like meat was very awkward. I liked it, but I appreciate people's honesty about it. Meat flavored mashed potatoes is odd. So this isn't something you can just willy nilly add to everything to make things "flavorful."

https://youtu.be/D8BXYIZ_7sE

Anyway if you're interested in the food science of MSG and its applications watch this video.

I heard that they did "fat free" to add sugars to food to make it more addictive (sorry I did not read this post)

I am just adding to the conversation.

A_Good_Boy posted...

Which spices eliminate the flavor of food?

All, if the spices overpower it entirely.

Heineken14 posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiqkclCJsZs

I love Super Troopers so much. Fan of Broken Lizard in general but this was their best to me by far. Always enjoy a reference to it.

CADE_FOSTER posted...

I mean almost everything in american food has msg every single snack and fast food unless it says they dont

uh i'm pretty sure this is not true

MI4_REAL posted...

I heard that they did "fat free" to add sugars to food to make it more addictive (sorry I did not read this post)

this is not true either. i've heard people spouting a disappointing number of times this disinformation about fat free milk in particular, claiming it has added sugar in it. simply actually looking at the nutrition facts will clearly show "0 added sugar". it merely has a higher proportion of natural lactose which is milk sugar, as well as higher proportion of protein, because when you take away one of the particulates that make up milk e.g. the fat, you are naturally left with higher proportions of the particulates that are remaining per any given volume.

DoesntMatter posted...

this is not true either. i've heard people spouting a disappointing number of times this disinformation about fat free milk in particular, claiming it has added sugar in it. simply actually looking at the nutrition facts will clearly show "0 added sugar". it merely has a higher proportion of natural lactose which is milk sugar, as well as higher proportion of protein, because when you take away one of the particulates that make up milk e.g. the fat, you are naturally left with higher proportions of the particulates that are remaining per any given volume.

"They don't add additional sugars. See, the packaging says '0 added sugars.' What they have instead are natural sugars, because those are magically different than added sugars."

ellis123 posted...

"They don't add additional sugars. See, the packaging says '0 added sugars.' What they have instead are natural sugars, because those are magically different than added sugars."

yeah. they are different. lactose occurs naturally in milk. it's not a hard concept to understand. it is lower on the glycemic index than processed sugar. it's not the same thing.

and also the difference is not even that much, just like a gram or two per serving.

So I have seen sugar+ added sugars.

Does that mean that if added sugars (2g+2g added sugars) means 2g or 4g?

MI4_REAL posted...

Does that mean that if added sugars (2g+2g added sugars) means 2g or 4g?

it's added sugar. which means 4 grams.

i have to be careful for that reason. bbq sauce has alot of sugar.

MI4_REAL posted...

So I have seen sugar+ added sugars.

Does that mean that if added sugars (2g+2g added sugars) means 2g or 4g?

usually a nutrition facts label will list "Total sugars (n)g" and then below that "Incl. (n)g added sugars". for instance the half gallon of First Street brand 1% milk i have in my fridge right now says "Total sugars 15g" and then below that "Incl. 0g added sugar". if there were for example 2g added sugar in that, it would say "Total sugars 17g" and then below that "Incl. 2g added sugar".

Just ask Chick-fil-A about the importance of adding MSG to their chicken.

DoesntMatter posted...

this is not true either. i've heard people spouting a disappointing number of times this disinformation about fat free milk in particular, claiming it has added sugar in it. simply actually looking at the nutrition facts will clearly show "0 added sugar". it merely has a higher proportion of natural lactose which is milk sugar, as well as higher proportion of protein, because when you take away one of the particulates that make up milk e.g. the fat, you are naturally left with higher proportions of the particulates that are remaining per any given volume.

He wasn't saying that about milk though.

Paragon21XX posted...

He wasn't saying that about milk though.

i was just using fat reduced milk as one example, because it is one i see being bandied about with disappointing frequency

DoesntMatter posted...

yeah. they are different. lactose occurs naturally in milk. it's not a hard concept to understand. it is lower on the glycemic index than processed sugar. it's not the same thing.

and also the difference is not even that much, just like a gram or two per serving.

"Natural and added sugars are different. You see at the front? One says 'natural.' That means it's naturally occurring, which is different than added: which was added later. Because that is clearly why I was being made fun of."

ellis123 posted...

"Natural and added sugars are different. You see at the front? One says 'natural.' That means it's naturally occurring, which is different than added: which was added later. Because that is clearly why I was being made fun of."

wtf is this post? what are you trying to accomplish by posting this?

DoesntMatter posted...

usually a nutrition facts label will list "Total sugars (n)g" and then below that "Incl. (n)g added sugars". for instance the half gallon of First Street brand 1% milk i have in my fridge right now says "Total sugars 15g" and then below that "Incl. 0g added sugar". if there were for example 2g added sugar in that, it would say "Total sugars 17g" and then below that "Incl. 2g added sugar".

So complemented/added/entire total.

DoesntMatter posted...

wtf is this post? what are you trying to accomplish by posting this?

It's a paraphrase of your post. And I believe the goal is self-evident.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ndkx1bPNCUM

ellis123 posted...

It's a paraphrase of your post. And I believe the goal is self-evident.

sure it is. if the goal is making yourself look like a complete clown.

Try it out. Buy some MSG. Make a dish without it and try it. Now sprinkle a little of thar MSG on there and try it again. You can see for yourself exactly how it affects the flavor.

DoesntMatter posted...

sure it is. if the goal is making yourself look like a complete clown.

I guess. That is something that can happen when someone is just quote someone.

That said, I was not expecting self-deprecation.

ellis123 posted...

I guess. That is something that can happen when someone is just quote someone.

That said, I was not expecting self-deprecation.

this is one hell of a fucking weird-ass melty, bro

lmfao

DoesntMatter posted...

this is one hell of a fucking weird-ass melty, bro

lmfao

"You have made fun of me, therefore you are having the meltdown."

ellis123 posted...

"You have made fun of me, therefore you are having the meltdown."

what the fuck is your problem?

DoesntMatter posted...

what the fuck is your problem?

People attributing magical properties to natural sugars. Weird superstitious nonsense.

ellis123 posted...

People attributing magical properties to natural sugars. Weird superstitious nonsense.

you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. nobody is "attributing magical properties to natural sugars". you are wrong. naturally occurring sugars in natural amounts in natural substances are chemically different from processed added sugars. that's just a fact. they are lower on the glycemic index which means they get absorbed by your digestive system slower and do not cause as big of a spike in blood sugar levels and do not contribute as much to insulin resistivity. now stop making a fucking clown of yourself.

It doesn't eliminate the flavor, but it can trick you into thinking the food's better than it is.

There's no difference between the man-made MSG and the naturally occurring glutamate.

The anti-MSG stuff has a racist history to it.

Lol I make a well educated post with sources and a video from chefs to back up my claim about Glutamate/MSG enhancing flavor, along with some education on other things that work with Glutamate to make it better. Posters would rather talk about sugars because someone was wrong. And TC confirms they didn't even read the educated post and they'd rather confirm their own biases.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/4f75a3da.png

CE gon CE lol.

badjay posted...

Lol I make a well educated post with sources and a video from chefs to back up my claim about Glutamate/MSG enhancing flavor, along with some education on other things that work with Glutamate to make it better. Posters would rather talk about sugars because someone was wrong. And TC confirms they didn't even read the educated post and they'd rather confirm their own biases.

well tbf i don't think anyone wanted to put up with the weird melty from that one guy. but anyway, your post was good and well-researched. there's been a lot of unfair demonization of MSG in this country going back for decades, mostly due to racism like CountCorvinus also said.