Current Events > Trump plans to use the military to deport making round through the news

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Getting real?
"oh he could never d-...wait can he?"

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/18/trump-military-mass-deportation

Trump confirms he will utilize US military to conduct mass deportations
President-elect plans to declare a national emergency for undocumented immigrants with help of hardline cabinet

Donald Trump said on Monday that his administration would declare a national emergency and use the US military to carry out mass deportations of undocumented immigrants.
In an early morning social media post, Trump responded TRUE!!! to a post by Tom Fitton, the president of the conservative group Judicial Watch, who wrote on 8 November that the next administration will use military assets to reverse the Biden invasion through a mass deportation program.
Since his decisive victory, Trump has said he intends to make good on his campaign promise to execute mass deportations, beginning on the first day of his presidency. But many aspects of what he has described as the largest deportation program in American history remain unclear.
Trump has previously suggested he would rely on wartime powers, military troops and sympathetic state and local leaders. Such a sprawling campaign and the use of military personnel to carry it out is almost certain to draw legal challenges and pushback from Democratic leaders, some of whom have already said they would refuse to cooperate with Trumps deportation agenda.

Through personnel announcements, the president-elect has put together a team of loyalists and hardliners to implement a second-term immigration crackdown.
Tom Homan, the acting director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement in his first administration, was named border czar with a wide-ranging remit. In a short social media post announcing the position, Trump said Homan would be in charge of all Deportation of Illegal Aliens back to their Country of Origin.
Also returning for a second term is Stephen Miller, a chief defender of the last administrations most controversial immigration policies, including the use of family separation as a means of deterrence. Miller was named White House deputy chief of staff for policy and a homeland security adviser, giving him far-reaching influence over immigration policy.
Rounding out the team, he nominated the South Dakota governor, Kristi Noem, a loyalist with a long record as an immigration hardliner, to be his next secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2nrg4deyjo

President-elect Donald Trump has confirmed on his social media network that he plans to use the US military to carry out a mass deportation of undocumented migrants.
On Monday, he posted "TRUE!!!" in response to a conservative commentator who wrote that Trump would declare a national emergency and use military assets to lead a mass deportation program.
At campaign events, Trump repeatedly pledged to mobilise the National Guard to assist Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), the federal agency tasked with carrying out deportations.
Trump's latest comment comes as questions grow about how he would fulfil his pledge to execute the largest mass deportation in US history.
He has repeatedly said he would begin deportations on his first day in office, which will be 20 January 2025.

People are definitely going to get killed during this plan

They're just going to round up all the brown people regardless of actual citizenship.

Sonixs posted...

They're just going to round up all the brown people regardless of actual citizenship.

this, the whole thing is going to be chaos pure chaos

The whole thing is disgusting and is going to blow up in their faces when people are killed and local economies are destroyed.

Zikten posted...

People are definitely going to get killed during this plan

They will blame Biden for that.
If only Biden hadn't had an open border policy, poor Diego would still be alive...
... But he crossed the border in 2018...
All Bidens open border policy...

Also they cry that people call Trump Hitler but then he says he's going to round up an entire group of people using the military.

I bet if you polled his supporters and asked how many think we should death penalty them, his supporters would unironically vote yes.

tremain07 posted...

this, the whole thing is going to be chaos pure chaos

Trump/Republicans will just say they were de-naturalized because Trump de-nautralized them with his mind the same way he de-classified documents.

ZaruenKosai posted...

Trump/Republicans will just say they were de-naturalized because Trump de-nautralized them with his mind the same way he de-classified documents.

The logic is going to be more:

Person:"I was born here! My father was born here! I am not illegal!"

Trump Admin:"But your grandpa illegally came here didn't he? If not for that crime you wouldn't be here, therefore you are illegal too and denaturalized!"

I can't imagine they'll actually do it. Trump just likes attention. He's an attention whore

Dreepapult posted...

I can't imagine they'll actually do it. Trump just likes attention. He's an attention whore

They guy he put in charge of it talked about it. He claims there is 1.3 million people already told to leave who refused and they are first.

WingsOfGood posted...

The logic is going to be more:

Person:"I was born here! My father was born here! I am not illegal!"

Trump Admin:"But your grandpa illegally came here didn't he? If not for that crime you wouldn't be here, therefore you are illegal too and denaturalized!"

By that logic, one could argue the Europeans illegally came to native American lands. So that would mean all white people in America should be deported. But Trump obviously won't reach that logical conclusion

Zikten posted...

By that logic, one could argue the Europeans illegally came to native American lands. So that would mean all white people in America should be deported. But Trump obviously won't reach that logical conclusion

hypocrisy is a feature of fascism

I want to hear how magas defend Trump after our economy collapses. Somehow it'll be all Biden's fault. Or maybe Hillary, whoever Trump feels like blaming other than himself.

Dreepapult posted...

I can't imagine they'll actually do it. Trump just likes attention. He's an attention whore

Tom Homan is human garbage and a monster. He is absolutely ecstatic about doing this and will love it even more if they fight back and people die. This denial of "oh they won't actually do that" is part of the problem of why we just got fucked this past election.

PeteyParker posted...

Tom Homan is human garbage and a monster. He is absolutely ecstatic about doing this and will love it even more if they fight back and people die. This denial of "oh they won't actually do that" is part of the problem of why we just got fucked this past election.

the "he won't be able to do that people" unfortunately are going to need to actually see it happen so they can stop being apathetic

And a lot of farmers are freaking out because they're already struggling to find workers, so much for those low egg prices...

We are about to see a lot of horror, and all of it was predictable and avoidable.

Leopard: We will eat YOUR face.
Americans: I'm sure you won't eat my face.
Leopard: No, we will absolutely specifically eat your face.
Americans: I'm going to vote for you, I'm sure my face will be fine.

well he can't really use gamers to deport

Zikten posted...

People are definitely going to get killed during this plan

So working as intended then, sadly?

epik_fail1 posted...

We really sticked it to the libs!

Leopard: They were delicious. By the way, you are having kids right?

Dreepapult posted...

I can't imagine they'll actually do it. Trump just likes attention. He's an attention whore

This.

With how vague his "plan" is, I'm getting major "I'm going to make a better Obamacare. It's going to be a big beautiful healthcare plan" vibes from this.

I wouldn't be surprised, at all, if his entire four years is spent trying to unsuccessful create some epic deportation plan, when if he had half a brain, he would just use the same methods President's before him have, rather than try to make a better wheel.

But this is Trump we're talking about - he's going to double down on trying to make " a more rounder, spinnier, wheelier wheel".

I do wonder how the Latino men who went for Trump will feel if this targets them or their families. Will they stand by their choice, even despite that? Or will they have a moment of self reflection, even when it's too late?

Bladesyphon posted...

I wouldn't be surprised, at all, if his entire four years is spent trying to unsuccessful create some epic deportation plan, when if he had half a brain, he would just use the same methods President's before him have, rather than try to make a better wheel.

are you blissfully unaware?

they already have made the plan before the election and it is modeled after Eisenhower's project wet well it is a slur for people who cross the border

Zikten posted...

By that logic, one could argue the Europeans illegally came to native American lands. So that would mean all white people in America should be deported. But Trump obviously won't reach that logical conclusion

they are more likely to deport native americans

hell ive seen people say to native americans they should go back to their own country

AceMos posted...

they are more likely to deport native americans

hell ive seen people say to native americans they should go back to their own country

Native Americans went for Trump in this election. I wonder if they will regret their choice if they are targeted.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/blueprint-of-trump-deportation-plan-a-questionable-approach-by-eisenhower-60-minutes/

What the U.S. government did under Dwight D. Eisenhower was a massive military-style sweep. U.S. Border Patrol agents conducted raids to round up Mexican laborers from farms and ranches, then transported them deported deep into Mexico. Historians say the program tore families apart, violated civil rights and at times, even turned deadly.
Moreover, those who have studied the Eisenhower administration's approach say this short-term show-of-force did not stop the problem.
"I would describe [it] as a very cruel operation of deportation," said immigration historian Mae Ngai, whose book "Impossible Subjects" examines how illegal migration became a central issue of U.S. immigration policy. "But also, it was a kind of political theater. It did not solve the issue of undocumented migration."

The blueprint for Trump's idea: "Operation Wet REDACTED SLUR
Following World War II, immigration into the United States was fairly low. The U.S. government imposed strict immigration quotas that limited the number of people allowed to enter the country. The controversy over immigration arose in the early 1950s, around the Bracero program, a guest worker program for agricultural laborers from Mexico.
According to Ngai, the American growers who were hiring these Mexican laborers preferred undocumented workers because they had fewer regulations governing their treatment. This embarrassed the Immigration and Naturalization Service, Ngai said, because they wanted the farmers to only take the legally contracted Braceros.
Although the terms have since become ethnic slurs, in the 1950s, most everyone involved in immigration policy on both sides of the border referred to people who crossed the river illegally from Mexico as "wetbacks" or "mojados." In 1953, CBS's Edward R. Murrow reported on the situation at the border using that term.
Trump vows to deport millions. Would it mean family separations?
"Every 30 seconds, a Mexican wetback enters this country illegally," Murrow detailed. "The number is increasing. Some days as many as 5,000 are caught and sent back in a single day."
To deal with the issue of illegal entries from Mexico, Eisenhower assigned his Commissioner of Immigration and Naturalization, Lieutenant General Joseph Swing, Eisenhower's friend and former West Point classmate. Swing concocted a military-style plan to round up and mass deport those laborers who crossed the border outside of the Bracero program. The plan became known as "Operation Wetback."
Although the U.S. had steadily increased deportations of Mexican laborers, the largest effort commenced in June 1954, when U.S. Border Patrol head Harlon Carter promised "the biggest drive against illegal aliens in history," according to a contemporaneous report by the Los Angeles Times.
Over the next year, hundreds of Border Patrol agents apprehended and deported anyone suspected of being in the United States illegally. They flew airplanes over the Rio Grande Valley to see where people were working and would check to see if there was a farm that was illegally contracting workers. While the operation included some raids in cities such as Los Angeles and Chicago, Ngai said, the primary focus was laborers near the Mexican border.
"These people were just rounded up, put on trucks and buses, driven over the border, dumped on the other side, sometimes in the desert," Ngai said.
Ngai said about a quarter of the people deported through "Operation Wetback" were put on ships and taken across the Gulf of Mexico to Veracruz in the Yucatan Peninsula.
"There was a big expos that these ships were barely converted freighters that were very old and dirty," Ngai said. "One person in Congress called them 'hell ships.'"
Mass deportation would come with hefty bill, require more manpower, immigration experts say
According to Ngai, migrants were sometimes left in the scorching Mexican desert, with temperatures soaring over 100 degrees. "In one case, 88 people died from sun stroke, and more would have died had the Mexican Red Cross not come to their rescue," Ngai said.
"Operation Wetback," Ngai said, was largely intended to show force to two audiences: Americans living near the border who had complained about the migration problem, and the growers, in an effort to make them obey the federal hiring program. It was not intended to score political points nationally.
"It was not a campaign issue," Ngai said. "Most Americans didn't think about farm workers at the border, legal or not."
The mass deportation operation lasted about a year. The program had become expensive to maintain, and American agriculture growers had begun to comply with the Bracero program to hire Mexican workers legally, leading them to use fewer undocumented laborers.
At the time, the Eisenhower administration said it carried out more than one million "returns," but historians believe many people were deported more than once and that the actual number of people is significantly less. Two historians told 60 Minutes that some American citizens were mistakenly deported in the roundups.

@Bladesyphon

An old 1930s era provision for the state of emergency allows the president to have control over any electronic communications. So, there's that.

WingsOfGood posted...

are you blissfully unaware?

they already have made the plan before the election and it is modeled after Eisenhower's project wet well it is a slur for people who cross the border

No, I actually read the articles you post, and have a basic education and understanding of how the legal and government system works.

The very article you posted states that Trump has made literally no indication on how he plans to do this, and instead has just listed names of people he wants, and then has gone on and said that he's "going to make it happen regardless of the price tag".

That's not even including the fact that he still has to get it approved through Congress, and deal with state level governments who oppose the plan.

He struggled with this very same concept back in his first term, and there's no reason to believe he's not going to struggle with it a second time. Will be manage to deport people? Yes, every president has managed to do that. Will it be to the level he's claiming? Very likely not.

But then - you have *never* actually posted anything on this board that isn't blatant doom posting, so I'm not at all surprised you lack a total and complete understanding of how the government works, and instead likely get your entire education on the system based on social media posts, YouTubers, and reading the titles of articles, instead of the actual content of them.

Zikten posted...

By that logic, one could argue the Europeans illegally came to native American lands. So that would mean all white people in America should be deported. But Trump obviously won't reach that logical conclusion

There have been members of the Heritage Foundation who want mandatory DNA tests so the chance of them going that far is non-zero.

Bladesyphon posted...

That's not even including the fact that he still has to get it approved through Congress, and deal with state level governments who oppose the plan.

Oh you sweet summer child

Bladesyphon posted...

and have a basic education and understanding of how the legal and government system works.

lmao, sure buddy

In the past I would have tried to argue with such a post but at this point it is meaningless. As with the sea of all the "Trump will never do this" or "Trump won't be allowed to do this!"

Just wait and see, and you won't be back to admit you were wrong when it happens no doubt, hopefully your face isn't one of them eaten

Bladesyphon posted...

No, I actually read the articles you post, and have a basic education and understanding of how the legal and government system works.

The very article you posted states that Trump has made literally no indication on how he plans to do this, and instead has just listed names of people he wants, and then has gone on and said that he's "going to make it happen regardless of the price tag".

That's not even including the fact that he still has to get it approved through Congress, and deal with state level governments who oppose the plan.

He struggled with this very same concept back in his first term, and there's no reason to believe he's not going to struggle with it a second time. Will be manage to deport people? Yes, every president has managed to do that. Will it be to the level he's claiming? Very likely not.

But then - you have *never* actually posted anything on this board that isn't blatant doom posting, so I'm not at all surprised you lack a total and complete understanding of how the government works, and instead likely get your entire education on the system based on social media posts, YouTubers, and reading the titles of articles, instead of the actual content of them.

Did you miss the part where SCOTUS gave him dictator powers a few months ago?

ScazarMeltex posted...

It's cute that you think legality or government mechanisms are going to prevent him from doing what he wants. He's just going to do shit and dare someone to stop him.

just like it did for Jan 6

Bladesyphon posted...

No, I actually read the articles you post, and have a basic education and understanding of how the legal and government system works.

The very article you posted states that Trump has made literally no indication on how he plans to do this, and instead has just listed names of people he wants, and then has gone on and said that he's "going to make it happen regardless of the price tag".

That's not even including the fact that he still has to get it approved through Congress, and deal with state level governments who oppose the plan.

He struggled with this very same concept back in his first term, and there's no reason to believe he's not going to struggle with it a second time. Will be manage to deport people? Yes, every president has managed to do that. Will it be to the level he's claiming? Very likely not.

But then - you have *never* actually posted anything on this board that isn't blatant doom posting, so I'm not at all surprised you lack a total and complete understanding of how the government works, and instead likely get your entire education on the system based on social media posts, YouTubers, and reading the titles of articles, instead of the actual content of them.

Stop normalizing him. He had adults in the room his last term. You can't use what he did before as a basis of what will happen now. He's literally surrounding himself with loyalists who are also batshit insane. The guardrails that are in place to prevent him from doing things no longer exist. He has the House, he has the Senate, and he has the Supreme Court. Who the fuck is going to stop him when the Supreme Court also said he can do whatever he wants in office?

Trump is only surrounded by loyalists who will do whatever he says without a second thought.

The idea that there's going to be another Mark Miley or some other "adult in the room" this time around are close to zero. His appointments so far prove this.

The only I could maybe see is Rubio.

jefffan posted...

Trump is only surrounded by loyalists who will do whatever he says without a second thought.

The idea that there's going to be another Mark Miley or some other "adult in the room" this time around are close to zero. His appointments so far prove this.

The only I could maybe see is Rubio.

Also republican control of the legislature but somehow they won't give him the budget he needs?
yeah right dream on

any repub who tells Trump no commits political suicide unless they intend to change parties

The military in US streets rounding up people. Will suck if that becomes a reality.

I wonder if theyve taken into account the military members with illegal families

creativerealms posted...

The military in US streets rounding up people. Will suck if that becomes a reality.

States like Texas will welcome it. Think Texas will be a starting point to see how it goes.

The denaturalization is fucking scary. How far do they plan to go? And are they even able to?

WingsOfGood posted...

the "he won't be able to do that people" unfortunately are going to need to actually see it happen so they can stop being apathetic

And all the people saying America is over nothing anyone can do arent a source of apathy?

If were doomed those of you in the acceptance stage arent any better off than those in the denial stage.

JuanCarlos1 posted...

The denaturalization is fucking scary. How far do they plan to go? And are they even able to?

the Heritage Foundation are white nationalists. how far they plan to go is getting rid of all the non-white people in the country, and seeing to it that they stay out. are they able to? well, i guess we'll see come January.

JuanCarlos1 posted...

The denaturalization is fucking scary. How far do they plan to go? And are they even able to?

Well that is not step 1. Depends on how well step 1 goes

Cory898 posted...

And all the people saying America is over nothing anyone can do arent a source of apathy?

If were doomed those of you in the acceptance stage arent any better off than those in the denial stage.

Is this a lot of air to say "both sides!"?

Will the US build concentration camps?

Cory898 posted...

And all the people saying America is over nothing anyone can do arent a source of apathy?

If were doomed those of you in the acceptance stage arent any better off than those in the denial stage.

I don't think America is doomed mind you but I do believe Trump will succeed in some of these bad things he's proposing. Honestly him doing some of them will wake up the "He won't be able to do it" crowd. Sure some want him to do it and will praise him but many people honestly believe nothing dramatic will change under Trump and do need a wake up call.