Current Events > Jack Smith drops election subversion case against Donald Trump

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man this asshat gets away with everything never seen anything like it

I mean, Trump won. Not really much that can be done.

Especially that Trump has made it obvious he will extra-judicially target his enemies and treat himself and his friends as above the law.

We've always had a pretty separate legal system for "important people", it just usually isn't this obvious.

Nothing shocking here. We knew as soon as he won everything was going to go away. It's fucked up but what are you going to do?

This is what America voted for.

If Garland didn't drag his ass going after Trump for all sorts of things (most likely on purpose) and if Biden didn't continue to let him, we wouldn't be in this situation. They failed us.

Southernfatman posted...

If Garland didn't drag his ass going after Trump for all sorts of things (most likely on purpose) and if Biden didn't continue to let him, we wouldn't be in this situation. They failed us.

Should've aggressively prosecuted him from the start because of the fucking insurrection.

Halo478 posted...

man this asshat gets away with everything never seen anything like it

lolwut?

Proto_Spark posted...

We've always had a pretty separate legal system for "important people", it just usually isn't this obvious.

Mostly because it doesn't even get that far with most politicians.

Southernfatman posted...

If Garland didn't drag his ass going after Trump for all sorts of things (most likely on purpose) and if Biden didn't continue to let him, we wouldn't be in this situation. They failed us.

lolwut? So much wrong in this post I don't know where to begin. But, just to cover a minor and pretty glaring fact, Merrick Garland has every incentive to attack Trump, not protect him. After all, Trump is indirectly why Garland isn't on the Supreme Court

Southernfatman posted...

If Garland didn't drag his ass going after Trump for all sorts of things (most likely on purpose) and if Biden didn't continue to let him, we wouldn't be in this situation. They failed us.

Yeah it shouldn't have taken until the election year to charge him.

Count_Drachma posted...

lolwut?

lolwut?

I imagine most things in life confound you to this degree.

Trump won the election and Smiths hands are tide on any prosecution against Trump.

Count_Drachma posted...

lolwut? So much wrong in this post I don't know where to begin. But, just to cover a minor and pretty glaring fact, Merrick Garland has every incentive to attack Trump, not protect him. After all, Trump is indirectly why Garland isn't on the Supreme Court

To be clear, Garland was most definitely soft on Trump. Despite your dear leader whining and clutching their pearls of "weaponized justice department", the JD was more invested in trying to appear unbiased, than actually being unbiased.

Because if they were actually unbiased, Trump would have been prosecuted month 1 of Garlands confirmation. The man dragged his feet on touching Trump due to optics.

LightSnake posted...

Should've aggressively prosecuted him from the start because of the fucking insurrection.

And it makes me so fucking angry they did nothing about it. What was the reason? They damned the whole country (and perhaps the whole world) due to their gullibility and/or cowardice. So many innocent people will suffer and die now. It has also ruined what little faith and trust I had in Democrats, and I'm sure I'm not alone, unless the party completely changes, which I doubt.

Count_Drachma posted...

lolwut? So much wrong in this post I don't know where to begin. But, just to cover a minor and pretty glaring fact, Merrick Garland has every incentive to attack Trump, not protect him. After all, Trump is indirectly why Garland isn't on the Supreme Court

Considering McConnell was the shot caller on court appointments, no, it really wasn't on Trump. The entire premise of appointing Garland as AG was to annoy the people who held up his nomination rather than do anything substantive.

Garland was presented as a compromise moderate for Rs to vote on and Mitch refused; the premise that Dems should've offered up a compromise AG after Jan 6th is a great microcosm of why Biden's handlers should be exiled from politics.

They had Trump dead to rights on a number of issues, he should have been in prison even before the Republican Primaries started, it's absolutely insane that they took so long to even formally charge him.

NatsuSama posted...

To be clear, Garland was most definitely soft on Trump. Despite your dear leader whining and clutching their pearls of "weaponized justice department", the JD was more invested in trying to appear unbiased, than actually being unbiased.

Because if they were actually unbiased, Trump would have been prosecuted month 1 of Garlands confirmation. The man dragged his feet on touching Trump due to optics.

tbf, a 50/50 Senate majority with Cinema and Manchin blocking everything meant the first like 2 years of Biden's term was spent with everything being obstructed as much as possible. And this wasn't just the case with federal legislation - this was every single committee and department.

Garland absolutely could've gone much harder, but he was also stymied from doing anything until like 2023.

Since the party refuses to give us true leftist policy or even New Deal policy, "rule of law" and good governance stuff like this was supposed to be their calling card. They dragged their feet and couldn't even deliver that, and now here we are. Genuinely, shit likes this makes me want to become an independent or support a brand new labor party.

They failed the whole country, the world, the concept of accountability.

Count_Drachma posted...

lolwut?

What do you mean lolwut? The guy commits treason, fraud, theft of classified documents, and rape, and gets away Scott free on everything.

it really is the end of the world, isn't it

Without prejudice, so if Trump somehow decides not to be a dictator and leave office in 4 years, this can be brought up again.

Count_Drachma posted...

lolwut?

Mostly because it doesn't even get that far with most politicians.

lolwut? So much wrong in this post I don't know where to begin. But, just to cover a minor and pretty glaring fact, Merrick Garland has every incentive to attack Trump, not protect him. After all, Trump is indirectly why Garland isn't on the Supreme Court

I see modern reality confuses you quite a bit.

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Sadly, this will never not be relevant.

This is horrible, and inevitable once Trump won the election. Trump has done a lot of horrible corrupt stuff while President, but his attempts to undermine the 2020 election is the greatest threat to our government as a whole. Now he gets to walk away with no consequences and be President again. It is so gross.

Obviously Democrats and the few Republicans who actually care about a functioning government should have moved faster and done more. But as I have been saying since the election: I blame the voters more than anything. Trump is an obvious criminal, and has been well before he was a politician. And holding a former or current President criminally accountable was always going to be difficult and fraught. Our system was not designed to handle anything beyond impeachment. So much of our system presumes good faith, and that those elected to office take the public trust seriously. That is why it is pretty important that the people dont put a criminal in the Oval Office in the first place.

Trump has been screaming exactly who he is as long as I have been alive, and we certainly got to see his obvious corruption, immorality, and incompetence up close for a full term. Our voters are either too dumb or too ill informed or too hateful (often all three) to care. They voted for what they wanted, and it is going to mean bad consequences for all of us. The most immediate of which is Trump tried to steal an election on national tv and now will get away with it.

Democrats are going to keep being a punching bag. But lets not forget that we are in this situation because a lot of voters, twice now, have said they dont mind that their leader is an utter scum bag. The Democrats could have done better, but I am angry at the electorate. The voters in this country are simply ridiculous, and we are going to get the dumb, incompetent, catastrophic leadership that you get when people refuse to think or learn about anything.

Jack Smith says something akin to the rules say we cant bring this against a sitting president but we absolutely still believe the case is correct They dont care about the rules, why do you? Sad cowardice

For some reason the public demands that Democrats follow the rules but not republicans.

LightSnake posted...

Jack Smith says something akin to the rules say we cant bring this against a sitting president but we absolutely still believe the case is correct They dont care about the rules, why do you? Sad cowardice

That's unfair. There's literally no point to trying to push the case, because it is entirely based on legal rule. Any work he does will merely be met with "this is legally irrelevant and we will not proceed".

Guide posted...

That's unfair. There's literally no point to trying to push the case, because it is entirely based on legal rule. Any work he does will merely be met with "this is legally irrelevant and we will not proceed".

And it's an entirely self inflicted wound by the DOJ at this point. Garland dragged his feet on prosecuting Trump for election interference and stealing classified documents, making it easy for him to run out the clock.

Guide posted...

That's unfair. There's literally no point to trying to push the case, because it is entirely based on legal rule. Any work he does will merely be met with "this is legally irrelevant and we will not proceed".

Rules are not laws, legally speaking there's nothing stopping him from continuing the case. Rules are just procedure, procedure that Republicans routinely ignore.

LightSnake posted...

Jack Smith says something akin to the rules say we cant bring this against a sitting president but we absolutely still believe the case is correct They dont care about the rules, why do you? Sad cowardice

Its because Smith officially has no more power here, and Trump has made it abundantly clear that he will punish anyone who goes against him, and picking spineless sycophants to run the DOJ basically guarantees that.

Smith can't really do anything anyways, because the second Trump takes office the DOJ will force him to drop the case, and then Smith will have to flee the country at best. Dropping the case first is at least bending the knee because he can't do anything anyways.

This is disgusting but when Trump won it was inevitable. People talk for days about corrupt billionaires never facing consequences, but we(the people) had the opportunity to send one packing and we failed to do so.

So the next time I hear somebody screech about how Trump didn't sign the ethics documents or transition documents, I literally don't care. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, or shut the fuck up. It's getting pretty draining hearing about the corrupt, illegal shit they're already doing in Trump round 2, but unless there is any sort of plan of action, I just don't give a shit.

What he should be doing is publicizing all the evidence against Trump. But he won't. Garland is 100 percent the real issue here, but the DOJ fucked this up

SaikyoStyle posted...

For some reason the public demands that Democrats follow the rules but not republicans.

Its all the voter base. Since the only punishment for doing bad things is to get voted out, Republicans have brainwashed their voters and keep them uneducated so nothing can stop them. Democrats havent done that. Yet.

SaikyoStyle posted...

For some reason the public demands that Democrats follow the rules but not republicans.

Ever hear of the ratchet system?

And another thing i don't care about any more is not appearing partisan.

when somebody breaks the law, like Trump did plenty of times, FULL STOP, get working on it.

Why? Pam Bondi is going to be Trumps partisan hack witch hunt attack dog, so....who even gives a shit any more about appearing partisan or not? Because they aren't at all worried about it and will just do, the very thing they tell "us" not to do.

Dis time for sure

Enclave posted...

Rules are not laws, legally speaking there's nothing stopping him from continuing the case. Rules are just procedure, procedure that Republicans routinely ignore.

That's not what Guides saying. Smith has no authority here to expedite this case. And even if it was expedited (it wont given the elements that were delaying things are still in play), Trump won and will be president in Jan which will further nullify Smiths efforts.

Smith continuing is quite literally pointless other than to put a larger target on his and families back given who his possible boss might become.

But ya, no doubt the DOJ fucked up.

Guide posted...

That's unfair. There's literally no point to trying to push the case, because it is entirely based on legal rule. Any work he does will merely be met with "this is legally irrelevant and we will not proceed".

Well damn, maybe he shouldn't have spent about three years fucking around

DrizztLink posted...

Well damn, maybe he shouldn't have spent about three years fucking around

smith was appointed in 2022. This is on Garland

LightSnake posted...

What he should be doing is publicizing all the evidence against Trump.

At this point, I'm not sure there's any actual evidence left that people aren't aware of . But just for the sake of argument, what do you think happens if they publicly release something new? There's no need to even answer that because we already know what would happen, absolutely fucking nothing.

So should everyone else just break the law and just be like Trump?

Maybe they shouldn't have spent 4 fucking years building a case

I think I can see the reasoning of winding it down now rather than later - he can't file a report on all his findings if he gets fired first.

LightHawKnight posted...

Its all the voter base. Since the only punishment for doing bad things is to get voted out, Republicans have brainwashed their voters and keep them uneducated so nothing can stop them. Democrats havent done that. Yet.

The Dems had better figure out fast how to make the dumbest people imaginable like them or else were all fucked.

masterpug53 posted...

I imagine most things in life confound you to this degree.

got 'em

It's not like Trump would've gotten in any real trouble anyway, let's be real. You think they're going to make somebody born in the upper class, who is an on paper billionaire, who is a celebrity, who is a politician face actual consequences?

So should everyone else just break the law and just be like Trump?

At this point the rich have been given the license to act like gods because its clear no one will do a damn thing unless they screw over someone even richer.

So can I announce my candidacy for president and commit a federal crime and get away with it because I might get elected and it's a witch hunt if they prosecute me?

Justice is blind.

Sayoria posted...

Justice is blind.

Many scholars throughout history agree that Justice could see a lot better if she'd take that fucking blindfold off.

masterpug53 posted...

Many scholars throughout history agree that Justice could see a lot better if she'd take that fucking blindfold off.

If she could see her own hands she'd have to report all the fucking blood money that crosses them.