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GranTurismo 12/23/24 4:59:03 PM #1: |
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Jagus 12/23/24 4:59:56 PM #2: |
I'm anti-death penalty so --- No, marriage is about love. It fails because people think love can be reduced to a feeling. - On the Edge ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GranTurismo 12/23/24 5:01:33 PM #3: |
Jagus posted... I'm anti-death penalty sohow about the 3 who were not commuted? you would have wanted him to do that too? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jagus 12/23/24 5:03:31 PM #4: |
GranTurismo posted... how about the 3 who were not commuted? you would have wanted him to do that too? Sure. I don't believe in the death penalty. Btw I'm not familiar with any of the cases, just saying this on GP. --- No, marriage is about love. It fails because people think love can be reduced to a feeling. - On the Edge ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ai123 12/23/24 5:05:03 PM #5: |
Any time someone is spared the barbaric death penalty, it's a win. No exceptions. --- 'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'. Let in the refugees, deport the racists. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GranTurismo 12/23/24 5:05:19 PM #6: |
Jagus posted... Sure. I don't believe in the death penalty.possibly biden personally wanted to commute those 3 too, who knows? there would have been lots of opposition to that ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GranTurismo 12/23/24 5:05:45 PM #7: |
Jagus posted... Sure. I don't believe in the death penalty.what is gp ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jagus 12/23/24 5:06:00 PM #8: |
General principle. I'm against the death penalty. --- No, marriage is about love. It fails because people think love can be reduced to a feeling. - On the Edge ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightSnake 12/23/24 5:14:01 PM #9: |
Jagus posted... Sure. I don't believe in the death penalty. The only three he didn't commute were Dzokhar Tsarnaev, one of the two Boston bombers Dylan Storm Roof, who shot up the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston Robert Gregory Bowers, the Tree of Life synagogue shooter. As I'm also against the death penalty on principle for the power of the state, I would have no issue with every prisoner just commuted to life in prison. However, these three are particularly horrific, have no doubt as to their guilt and it would not be politically feasible. It's a trade I can live with --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hospy 12/23/24 6:19:37 PM #10: |
It just seems to me an odd position to take. I'd understand if he made the position that the federal government shouldn't be carrying out the death penalty as a general rule and commuted all of them. Carving out an exception that it's actually okay to have the death penalty for certain other crimes just kind of undercuts his own statement. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GranTurismo 12/23/24 6:24:19 PM #11: |
Hospy posted... It just seems to me an odd position to take. I'd understand if he made the position that the federal government shouldn't be carrying out the death penalty as a general rule and commuted all of them. Carving out an exception that it's actually okay to have the death penalty for certain other crimes just kind of undercuts his own statement.What did he say in his statement? Though I kinda agree with you ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hospy 12/23/24 6:37:13 PM #12: |
GranTurismo posted... What did he say in his statement? Though I kinda agree with you https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/12/23/statement-from-president-joe-biden-on-federal-death-row-commutations/ Ive dedicated my career to reducing violent crime and ensuring a fair and effective justice system. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kelemvor 12/23/24 6:41:21 PM #13: |
I'm against the death penalty too. What confuses me is the people who say their against the death penalty but fine with Luigi going rogue and taking out the elite. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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action52 12/23/24 6:50:02 PM #14: |
I am against the death penalty. I would have preferred to have all the sentences commuted. But it's still good to have almost all the sentences commuted. I'm not going to let the perfect get in the way of the good. Also, the three that stayed on death row are arguably the three most horrific murderers of the millenium so far. They killed many people and there is zero doubt of their guilt. While I would like to see the death penalty abolished, if we got rid of it except for horrific cases like this, that's a compromise I could live with. --- man - noun. A miserable pile of secrets. EXAMPLE: What is a man? A miserable little pile of secrets. But enough talk, HAVE AT YOU! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GranTurismo 12/23/24 6:54:39 PM #15: |
kelemvor posted... I'm against the death penalty too. What confuses me is the people who say their against the death penalty but fine with Luigi going rogue and taking out the elite.I kinda agree with you there. I don't get the reasoning behind this. Saw a big topic on this board about this. Was it your topic? Don't get the reasoning at all...... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightSnake 12/23/24 6:58:36 PM #16: |
Hospy posted... It just seems to me an odd position to take. I'd understand if he made the position that the federal government shouldn't be carrying out the death penalty as a general rule and commuted all of them. Carving out an exception that it's actually okay to have the death penalty for certain other crimes just kind of undercuts his own statement.It's purely political. These are the most famous ones with the worst offenders. He got attacked a lot over the kids for cash judge and didn't care for it to happen again --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GranTurismo 12/23/24 6:59:20 PM #17: |
LightSnake posted... It's purely political. These are the most famous ones with the worst offenders. He got attacked a lot over the kids for cash judge and didn't care for it to happen againWhat was that kids for cash judge? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightSnake 12/23/24 7:01:25 PM #18: |
GranTurismo posted... What was that kids for cash judge? Years ago, two judges were caught being paid to sentence kids to juvenile detention facilities. Huge scandal. The ACLU asked Biden to commute the sentences of 1500 federal prisoners who were non violent ofenders on home arrest under the CARES act from COVID. Those judges were among them --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KogaSteelfang 12/23/24 7:02:00 PM #19: |
I'm fine with it. --- My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@steelfang8806 My Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/steelfangkoga ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tmaster148 12/23/24 7:02:15 PM #20: |
kelemvor posted... I'm against the death penalty too. What confuses me is the people who say their against the death penalty but fine with Luigi going rogue and taking out the elite. Not wanting the government the ability to decide that certain members of the citizen should be put to death is a bit different than being okay with a healthcare ceo being shot to death. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GranTurismo 12/23/24 7:20:57 PM #22: |
LightSnake posted... Years ago, two judges were caught being paid to sentence kids to juvenile detention facilities. Huge scandal.biden commuted the sentences in this case? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightSnake 12/23/24 7:39:59 PM #23: |
GranTurismo posted... biden commuted the sentences in this case? Not specifically. He commuted a category they were in --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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imagine606 12/23/24 7:50:44 PM #24: |
Im a decent person, so yes. I wish it was for everyone he could, but 90% good is better than 0% good. Killing is only okay when the person is unjustly an immediate threat to someones life. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kingdrake2 12/23/24 7:57:57 PM #25: |
LightSnake posted... Dzokhar Tsarnaev, one of the two Boston bombers after reading about this. i'm fine with the pardoning, these 3 did far too terrible things to deserve any mercy. especially if it saves money plus they can rot longer. --- currently playing: nickelodeon kart racers 3: slime speedway (daily until disc arrives) RIP Sophie the dog: February 2011-april 2024. we'll miss you alot. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kelemvor 12/23/24 8:01:03 PM #26: |
GranTurismo posted... I kinda agree with you there. I don't get the reasoning behind this. Saw a big topic on this board about this. Was it your topic? Don't get the reasoning at all...... Wasn't mine. I thought about bringing it up in the other Biden topic but I didn't. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightSnake 12/23/24 8:02:10 PM #27: |
kingdrake2 posted... after reading about this. i'm fine with the pardoning, these 3 did far too terrible things to deserve any mercy. The important thing too is that Biden has made it so Trump can't reverse the commutations. When a sentence si commuted, you can't reverse that and reinstate capital punishment. It's definitely the most significant anti-death penalty action a president has ever taken --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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rick_alverado 12/23/24 8:03:16 PM #28: |
kelemvor posted... I'm against the death penalty too. What confuses me is the people who say their against the death penalty but fine with Luigi going rogue and taking out the elite. The idea is that you can be against death as a punishment for people already in custody, but are okay with it being used to deal with an active threat. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Cory898 12/24/24 7:44:12 AM #29: |
Tmaster148 posted... Not wanting the government the ability to decide that certain members of the citizen should be put to death is a bit different than being okay with a healthcare ceo being shot to death.Being ok with a healthcare ceo being shot to death is a bit different from propping up his killer as a modern day folk hero who should face no consequences for murder. --- Probably the only Mario Maker 2 level I'll ever create worth sharing. 1RT-9RG-QKF ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Glob 12/24/24 7:59:48 AM #30: |
kelemvor posted... I'm against the death penalty too. What confuses me is the people who say their against the death penalty but fine with Luigi going rogue and taking out the elite. I dont really have a horse in that race as Im not fine with what he did, however, theyre not the same. An individual is very different to a state and should be held to a different standard. Theres also the fact that he likely knew that he would be caught, in which case you could interpret it as a form of extreme civil disobedience, behaviour aiming to change the system, rather than the administration of a system. I can see how people could be against the death penalty and still support his actions, even though I personally do not. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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reincarnator07 12/24/24 8:13:22 AM #31: |
kelemvor posted... I'm against the death penalty too. What confuses me is the people who say their against the death penalty but fine with Luigi going rogue and taking out the elite.It's a bit pedantic, but it's more that no one was really sad over the CEO getting murked rather than people actively supporting his killing. I think if you ask most anti DP people if they think there are crimes worthy of execution as a punishment, they'd probably say yes. The issue is that we do not trust the system to hand out such punishments appropriately. --- Fan of metal? Don't mind covers? Check out my youtube and give me some feedback http://www.youtube.com/sircaballero ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vengeance29 12/24/24 8:23:35 AM #32: |
People who are against the death penalty, is it because life imprisonment is more cruel? Because it is, I'd rather die than be locked up for the rest of my life. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NoMeLx22x 12/24/24 8:29:24 AM #33: |
Vengeance29 posted... People who are against the death penalty, is it because life imprisonment is more cruel? Mostly yeah. That and the amount of prisoners who were innocent that have been executed is way too fucking high. As in, 1 is way too high, but it's way more than one. Like we literally knowingly executed an innocent person this year, and it was a story for like 3 days and hasn't even been mentioned since. --- Sigs are for losers. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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emblem-man 12/24/24 8:34:36 AM #34: |
GranTurismo posted... how about the 3 who were not commuted? you would have wanted him to do that too?I would have wanted then all commuted but it would be a horrible political move to do so. I understand the American landscape and this is the best we can get, which is still really good --- Harris-Walz 2024 https://imgur.com/gallery/o47SI9Y ... Copied to Clipboard!
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emblem-man 12/24/24 8:37:06 AM #35: |
Vengeance29 posted... People who are against the death penalty, is it because life imprisonment is more cruel?It's because I don't think the State should unnecessary kill someone they already have locked up in prison, that is no danger to anyone. The additional step of actively killing someone is just an act of vengeance that I don't think is needed in our criminal justice system --- Harris-Walz 2024 https://imgur.com/gallery/o47SI9Y ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nunyobidness 12/24/24 8:54:31 AM #36: |
Vengeance29 posted... People who are against the death penalty, is it because life imprisonment is more cruel? NoMeLx22x posted... Mostly yeah. That and the amount of prisoners who were innocent that have been executed is way too fucking high. As in, 1 is way too high, but it's way more than one. This is actually my reasoning. I'm most concerned about the overwhelming evidence that our justice system is flawed and innocent people are convicted of crimes all the time. Death penalty involved or not. It seems like every time you turn around there's a story about someone being freed after spending decades in prison for something they didn't do. If you have a system like that you can't have a death penalty because you are knowingly setting on place something that will kill innocent people from time to time. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Cheater87 12/24/24 9:11:44 AM #37: |
No, these people are monsters. --- Just call me Discount Dan. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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rick_alverado 12/24/24 10:24:39 AM #38: |
Vengeance29 posted... People who are against the death penalty, is it because life imprisonment is more cruel? No, and Im generally against life imprisonment as well. There are limited cases where I understand it, but even then I dont think our current methods of incarceration are the way to do it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightSnake 12/24/24 10:37:38 AM #39: |
rick_alverado posted... No, and Im generally against life imprisonment as well. There are limited cases where I understand it, but even then I dont think our current methods of incarceration are the way to do it. I'm really, relly okay with guys like Roof being incarcerated for life, honestly. --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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reincarnator07 12/24/24 10:55:03 AM #40: |
Vengeance29 posted... People who are against the death penalty, is it because life imprisonment is more cruel?No, although I agree that in many cases it is a crueller punishment. If you've wrongfully imprisoned someone, you can try to reverse the damage caused, you can make amends. If you wrongfully execute someone, that's it, there's literally nothing you can do to put that right. --- Fan of metal? Don't mind covers? Check out my youtube and give me some feedback http://www.youtube.com/sircaballero ... Copied to Clipboard!
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imagine606 12/24/24 11:10:44 AM #41: |
reincarnator07 posted... No, although I agree that in many cases it is a crueller punishment.This is a huge part of it for me, especially with how many times our justice system gets things wrong. Also, as I mentioned above, if someone isnt an immediate threat then I find it morally wrong to kill them, and 2 wrongs dont make a right. Its also blatantly unconstitutional, but thats ignored because its popular among the less evolved parts of the population here. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gheb 12/24/24 11:27:27 AM #42: |
He was absolutely right in commuting all of those sentences and he would have been right to commute the remaining 3. That said, I get why he didn't commute who he did. They were three ultra-high-profile crimes and it would have been a political landmine. He still should have done it. Not like he's continuing a career in politics after this. --- S*** I have to stop doing that," Gheb said, as he lay back down and died again. - Forgotten Love The Chiefs won the Super Bowl! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightSnake 12/24/24 11:32:26 AM #43: |
Gheb posted... He was absolutely right in commuting all of those sentences and he would have been right to commute the remaining 3. Dems have a huge issue with crime optics now. Also, Roof and Bowers specifically targeted the Black and Jewish communities, who have been loyal constituents to the Dems and their reps, plus the victims' families were emphatic they didn't want those sentences commuted --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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