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GranTurismo
12/23/24 4:59:03 PM
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did you
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Jagus
12/23/24 4:59:56 PM
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I'm anti-death penalty so

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GranTurismo
12/23/24 5:01:33 PM
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Jagus posted...
I'm anti-death penalty so
how about the 3 who were not commuted? you would have wanted him to do that too?
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Jagus
12/23/24 5:03:31 PM
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GranTurismo posted...
how about the 3 who were not commuted? you would have wanted him to do that too?

Sure. I don't believe in the death penalty.

Btw I'm not familiar with any of the cases, just saying this on GP.

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ai123
12/23/24 5:05:03 PM
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Any time someone is spared the barbaric death penalty, it's a win.

No exceptions.

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GranTurismo
12/23/24 5:05:19 PM
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Jagus posted...
Sure. I don't believe in the death penalty.

Btw I'm not familiar with any of the cases, just saying this on GP.
possibly biden personally wanted to commute those 3 too, who knows? there would have been lots of opposition to that
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GranTurismo
12/23/24 5:05:45 PM
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Jagus posted...
Sure. I don't believe in the death penalty.

Btw I'm not familiar with any of the cases, just saying this on GP.
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Jagus
12/23/24 5:06:00 PM
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General principle. I'm against the death penalty.

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LightSnake
12/23/24 5:14:01 PM
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Jagus posted...
Sure. I don't believe in the death penalty.

Btw I'm not familiar with any of the cases, just saying this on GP.

The only three he didn't commute were
Dzokhar Tsarnaev, one of the two Boston bombers
Dylan Storm Roof, who shot up the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston
Robert Gregory Bowers, the Tree of Life synagogue shooter.

As I'm also against the death penalty on principle for the power of the state, I would have no issue with every prisoner just commuted to life in prison. However, these three are particularly horrific, have no doubt as to their guilt and it would not be politically feasible. It's a trade I can live with

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Hospy
12/23/24 6:19:37 PM
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It just seems to me an odd position to take. I'd understand if he made the position that the federal government shouldn't be carrying out the death penalty as a general rule and commuted all of them. Carving out an exception that it's actually okay to have the death penalty for certain other crimes just kind of undercuts his own statement.

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GranTurismo
12/23/24 6:24:19 PM
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Hospy posted...
It just seems to me an odd position to take. I'd understand if he made the position that the federal government shouldn't be carrying out the death penalty as a general rule and commuted all of them. Carving out an exception that it's actually okay to have the death penalty for certain other crimes just kind of undercuts his own statement.
What did he say in his statement? Though I kinda agree with you
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Hospy
12/23/24 6:37:13 PM
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GranTurismo posted...
What did he say in his statement? Though I kinda agree with you

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/12/23/statement-from-president-joe-biden-on-federal-death-row-commutations/

Ive dedicated my career to reducing violent crime and ensuring a fair and effective justice system.
Today, I am commuting the sentences of 37 of the 40 individuals on federal death row to life sentences without the possibility of parole. These commutations are consistent with the moratorium my Administration has imposed on federal executions, in cases other than terrorism and hate-motivated mass murder.
Make no mistake: I condemn these murderers, grieve for the victims of their despicable acts, and ache for all the families who have suffered unimaginable and irreparable loss.
But guided by my conscience and my experience as a public defender, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Vice President, and now President, I am more convinced than ever that we must stop the use of the death penalty at the federal level. In good conscience, I cannot stand back and let a new administration resume executions that I halted.
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kelemvor
12/23/24 6:41:21 PM
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I'm against the death penalty too. What confuses me is the people who say their against the death penalty but fine with Luigi going rogue and taking out the elite.
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action52
12/23/24 6:50:02 PM
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I am against the death penalty. I would have preferred to have all the sentences commuted. But it's still good to have almost all the sentences commuted. I'm not going to let the perfect get in the way of the good.

Also, the three that stayed on death row are arguably the three most horrific murderers of the millenium so far. They killed many people and there is zero doubt of their guilt. While I would like to see the death penalty abolished, if we got rid of it except for horrific cases like this, that's a compromise I could live with.

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GranTurismo
12/23/24 6:54:39 PM
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kelemvor posted...
I'm against the death penalty too. What confuses me is the people who say their against the death penalty but fine with Luigi going rogue and taking out the elite.
I kinda agree with you there. I don't get the reasoning behind this. Saw a big topic on this board about this. Was it your topic? Don't get the reasoning at all......
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LightSnake
12/23/24 6:58:36 PM
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Hospy posted...
It just seems to me an odd position to take. I'd understand if he made the position that the federal government shouldn't be carrying out the death penalty as a general rule and commuted all of them. Carving out an exception that it's actually okay to have the death penalty for certain other crimes just kind of undercuts his own statement.
It's purely political. These are the most famous ones with the worst offenders. He got attacked a lot over the kids for cash judge and didn't care for it to happen again

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GranTurismo
12/23/24 6:59:20 PM
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LightSnake posted...
It's purely political. These are the most famous ones with the worst offenders. He got attacked a lot over the kids for cash judge and didn't care for it to happen again
What was that kids for cash judge?
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LightSnake
12/23/24 7:01:25 PM
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GranTurismo posted...
What was that kids for cash judge?

Years ago, two judges were caught being paid to sentence kids to juvenile detention facilities. Huge scandal.

The ACLU asked Biden to commute the sentences of 1500 federal prisoners who were non violent ofenders on home arrest under the CARES act from COVID. Those judges were among them

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KogaSteelfang
12/23/24 7:02:00 PM
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I'm fine with it.

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Tmaster148
12/23/24 7:02:15 PM
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kelemvor posted...
I'm against the death penalty too. What confuses me is the people who say their against the death penalty but fine with Luigi going rogue and taking out the elite.

Not wanting the government the ability to decide that certain members of the citizen should be put to death is a bit different than being okay with a healthcare ceo being shot to death.

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GranTurismo
12/23/24 7:20:57 PM
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LightSnake posted...
Years ago, two judges were caught being paid to sentence kids to juvenile detention facilities. Huge scandal.

The ACLU asked Biden to commute the sentences of 1500 federal prisoners who were non violent ofenders on home arrest under the CARES act from COVID. Those judges were among them
biden commuted the sentences in this case?
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LightSnake
12/23/24 7:39:59 PM
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GranTurismo posted...
biden commuted the sentences in this case?

Not specifically. He commuted a category they were in

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imagine606
12/23/24 7:50:44 PM
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Im a decent person, so yes.

I wish it was for everyone he could, but 90% good is better than 0% good. Killing is only okay when the person is unjustly an immediate threat to someones life.
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kingdrake2
12/23/24 7:57:57 PM
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LightSnake posted...
Dzokhar Tsarnaev, one of the two Boston bombers
Dylan Storm Roof, who shot up the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston
Robert Gregory Bowers, the Tree of Life synagogue shooter.


after reading about this. i'm fine with the pardoning, these 3 did far too terrible things to deserve any mercy.

especially if it saves money plus they can rot longer.

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kelemvor
12/23/24 8:01:03 PM
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GranTurismo posted...
I kinda agree with you there. I don't get the reasoning behind this. Saw a big topic on this board about this. Was it your topic? Don't get the reasoning at all......

Wasn't mine. I thought about bringing it up in the other Biden topic but I didn't.
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LightSnake
12/23/24 8:02:10 PM
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kingdrake2 posted...
after reading about this. i'm fine with the pardoning, these 3 did far too terrible things to deserve any mercy.

especially if it saves money plus they can rot longer.

The important thing too is that Biden has made it so Trump can't reverse the commutations. When a sentence si commuted, you can't reverse that and reinstate capital punishment.

It's definitely the most significant anti-death penalty action a president has ever taken

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rick_alverado
12/23/24 8:03:16 PM
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kelemvor posted...
I'm against the death penalty too. What confuses me is the people who say their against the death penalty but fine with Luigi going rogue and taking out the elite.

The idea is that you can be against death as a punishment for people already in custody, but are okay with it being used to deal with an active threat.
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Cory898
12/24/24 7:44:12 AM
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Tmaster148 posted...
Not wanting the government the ability to decide that certain members of the citizen should be put to death is a bit different than being okay with a healthcare ceo being shot to death.
Being ok with a healthcare ceo being shot to death is a bit different from propping up his killer as a modern day folk hero who should face no consequences for murder.

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Glob
12/24/24 7:59:48 AM
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kelemvor posted...
I'm against the death penalty too. What confuses me is the people who say their against the death penalty but fine with Luigi going rogue and taking out the elite.

I dont really have a horse in that race as Im not fine with what he did, however, theyre not the same. An individual is very different to a state and should be held to a different standard. Theres also the fact that he likely knew that he would be caught, in which case you could interpret it as a form of extreme civil disobedience, behaviour aiming to change the system, rather than the administration of a system.

I can see how people could be against the death penalty and still support his actions, even though I personally do not.
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reincarnator07
12/24/24 8:13:22 AM
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kelemvor posted...
I'm against the death penalty too. What confuses me is the people who say their against the death penalty but fine with Luigi going rogue and taking out the elite.
It's a bit pedantic, but it's more that no one was really sad over the CEO getting murked rather than people actively supporting his killing. I think if you ask most anti DP people if they think there are crimes worthy of execution as a punishment, they'd probably say yes. The issue is that we do not trust the system to hand out such punishments appropriately.

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Vengeance29
12/24/24 8:23:35 AM
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People who are against the death penalty, is it because life imprisonment is more cruel?

Because it is, I'd rather die than be locked up for the rest of my life.
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NoMeLx22x
12/24/24 8:29:24 AM
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Vengeance29 posted...
People who are against the death penalty, is it because life imprisonment is more cruel?

Because it is, I'd rather die than be locked up for the rest of my life.

Mostly yeah. That and the amount of prisoners who were innocent that have been executed is way too fucking high. As in, 1 is way too high, but it's way more than one.

Like we literally knowingly executed an innocent person this year, and it was a story for like 3 days and hasn't even been mentioned since.

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emblem-man
12/24/24 8:34:36 AM
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GranTurismo posted...
how about the 3 who were not commuted? you would have wanted him to do that too?
I would have wanted then all commuted but it would be a horrible political move to do so.

I understand the American landscape and this is the best we can get, which is still really good

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emblem-man
12/24/24 8:37:06 AM
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Vengeance29 posted...
People who are against the death penalty, is it because life imprisonment is more cruel?

Because it is, I'd rather die than be locked up for the rest of my life.
It's because I don't think the State should unnecessary kill someone they already have locked up in prison, that is no danger to anyone.

The additional step of actively killing someone is just an act of vengeance that I don't think is needed in our criminal justice system

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Nunyobidness
12/24/24 8:54:31 AM
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Vengeance29 posted...
People who are against the death penalty, is it because life imprisonment is more cruel?

Because it is, I'd rather die than be locked up for the rest of my life.

NoMeLx22x posted...
Mostly yeah. That and the amount of prisoners who were innocent that have been executed is way too fucking high. As in, 1 is way too high, but it's way more than one.

Like we literally knowingly executed an innocent person this year, and it was a story for like 3 days and hasn't even been mentioned since.


This is actually my reasoning. I'm most concerned about the overwhelming evidence that our justice system is flawed and innocent people are convicted of crimes all the time. Death penalty involved or not. It seems like every time you turn around there's a story about someone being freed after spending decades in prison for something they didn't do.

If you have a system like that you can't have a death penalty because you are knowingly setting on place something that will kill innocent people from time to time.

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Cheater87
12/24/24 9:11:44 AM
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No, these people are monsters.

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rick_alverado
12/24/24 10:24:39 AM
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Vengeance29 posted...
People who are against the death penalty, is it because life imprisonment is more cruel?

Because it is, I'd rather die than be locked up for the rest of my life.

No, and Im generally against life imprisonment as well. There are limited cases where I understand it, but even then I dont think our current methods of incarceration are the way to do it.
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LightSnake
12/24/24 10:37:38 AM
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rick_alverado posted...
No, and Im generally against life imprisonment as well. There are limited cases where I understand it, but even then I dont think our current methods of incarceration are the way to do it.

I'm really, relly okay with guys like Roof being incarcerated for life, honestly.

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reincarnator07
12/24/24 10:55:03 AM
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Vengeance29 posted...
People who are against the death penalty, is it because life imprisonment is more cruel?

Because it is, I'd rather die than be locked up for the rest of my life.
No, although I agree that in many cases it is a crueller punishment.

If you've wrongfully imprisoned someone, you can try to reverse the damage caused, you can make amends. If you wrongfully execute someone, that's it, there's literally nothing you can do to put that right.

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imagine606
12/24/24 11:10:44 AM
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reincarnator07 posted...
No, although I agree that in many cases it is a crueller punishment.

If you've wrongfully imprisoned someone, you can try to reverse the damage caused, you can make amends. If you wrongfully execute someone, that's it, there's literally nothing you can do to put that right.
This is a huge part of it for me, especially with how many times our justice system gets things wrong. Also, as I mentioned above, if someone isnt an immediate threat then I find it morally wrong to kill them, and 2 wrongs dont make a right.

Its also blatantly unconstitutional, but thats ignored because its popular among the less evolved parts of the population here.
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Gheb
12/24/24 11:27:27 AM
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He was absolutely right in commuting all of those sentences and he would have been right to commute the remaining 3.

That said, I get why he didn't commute who he did. They were three ultra-high-profile crimes and it would have been a political landmine. He still should have done it. Not like he's continuing a career in politics after this.

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LightSnake
12/24/24 11:32:26 AM
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Gheb posted...
He was absolutely right in commuting all of those sentences and he would have been right to commute the remaining 3.

That said, I get why he didn't commute who he did. They were three ultra-high-profile crimes and it would have been a political landmine. He still should have done it. Not like he's continuing a career in politics after this.

Dems have a huge issue with crime optics now. Also, Roof and Bowers specifically targeted the Black and Jewish communities, who have been loyal constituents to the Dems and their reps, plus the victims' families were emphatic they didn't want those sentences commuted

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