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Starks
12/25/24 11:24:53 AM
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https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/passenger-plane-crashes-kazakhstan-emergencies-ministry-says-2024-12-25/

Looks like GPS jamming and Russian air defense were hard at work.

Best evidence I've seen compiled in this thread: https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1871935554612297779

And yes, this apparently includes onboard videos from the survivors. Tons of fuselage holes before the crash but zero evidence of an uncontained engine failure.

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divot1338
12/25/24 11:25:47 AM
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It was birdstrike.

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Starks
12/25/24 11:29:31 AM
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Is that confirmed or what they thought it was?

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kelemvor
12/25/24 11:33:51 AM
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The Russians sure are good at blowing up civilian airliners and infrastructure. I'm sure the international criminal courts will get right to submitting a strongly worded memo not do it anymore.

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FearlessMango
12/25/24 11:53:54 AM
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divot1338 posted...
It was birdstrike.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/4c69c3bf.jpg
birds don't make bullet holes or AA holes

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kelemvor
12/25/24 11:59:49 AM
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FearlessMango posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/4c69c3bf.jpg
birds don't make bullet holes or AA holes

I mean, you can just assume whatever Russia says is the opposite of the truth, but they didn't even take the time to come up with a plausible story with all the evidence out there. Bird strikes that bring down planes are exceedingly rare, and usually happen during the takeoff and landing phases of flight.
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Thompson
12/25/24 12:01:07 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/2d9fb39e.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/c12fda1e.jpg

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BlueTigerLion
12/25/24 12:06:40 PM
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I was wondering why this plane crash didnt get a thread earlier. When I first heard the story there was no Russia angle. It was that a bird strike led to engine issues.

I even googled it again just now and none of the top articles from CNN, Reuters, etc mention Russia shooting down plane in the title or article. It just this twitter account in OP. Which happens to have a certain flag near their name. Hopefully that flag name person isnt biased in anyway and trying to report the truth.

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Mew
12/25/24 3:07:33 PM
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That video of shrapnel damage inside the cabin before the crash pretty much confirms it

And even before that how do I know Russia shot it down? Because they keep pushing the narrative that it was a bird strike before any actual investigation. They're so full of shit


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DrizztLink
12/25/24 3:08:23 PM
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That's gonna happen more.

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ConfusedTorchic
12/25/24 3:15:48 PM
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BlueTigerLion posted...
I even googled it again just now and none of the top articles from CNN, Reuters, etc mention Russia shooting down plane in the title or article. It just this twitter account in OP. Which happens to have a certain flag near their name. Hopefully that flag name person isnt biased in anyway and trying to report the truth.

you can literally just look at the images of the wreckage

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kelemvor
12/25/24 3:20:10 PM
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ConfusedTorchic posted...
you can literally just look at the images of the wreckage

Yep, and the Media doesn't want to blame anything on Russia. It's like when the damn was broke and flooded Kherson or when Ukraine's nuclear power plant was being hit by bombs. The Media said they had no idea who caused the damage. It's insulting our intelligence to think anyone but Russia is to blame.
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Foppe
12/25/24 3:29:24 PM
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Explains why Putin expressed his condolences.

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ROBANN_88
12/25/24 8:02:43 PM
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fucking Russians

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thronedfire2
12/25/24 8:05:12 PM
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this is completely the opposite of what I saw on reddit yesterday with a much longer video

they circled the airport 3-4 times because of weather/landing issues, then had to come in when they were getting too low on fuel to circle again

there was absolutely no visible evidence of a missile strike

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Ricemills
12/25/24 8:05:17 PM
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Russia should've rename their AA guns "bird"

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nocturnal_traveler
12/25/24 8:07:34 PM
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There are better ways to shut down a business.

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thronedfire2
12/25/24 8:08:18 PM
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Thompson posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/2d9fb39e.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/c12fda1e.jpg

if it was a SAM there would have been an explosion while the plane was in the air, not after it hit the ground.

it's 100% intact while still flying

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Thompson
12/26/24 1:15:39 AM
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thronedfire2 posted...
if it was a SAM there would have been an explosion while the plane was in the air, not after it hit the ground.

it's 100% intact while still flying
The missile in all likelihood had a proximity fuse, dispersing shrapnel that perforated the fuselage.
What else can explain the holes? They weren't caused by a flock of birds, that is for certain.

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Lonestar2000
12/26/24 4:59:09 AM
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thronedfire2 posted...
this is completely the opposite of what I saw on reddit yesterday with a much longer video

they circled the airport 3-4 times because of weather/landing issues, then had to come in when they were getting too low on fuel to circle again

there was absolutely no visible evidence of a missile strike
There are shrapnel holes all over the fuselage and tail.

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ROBANN_88
12/26/24 5:54:25 AM
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thronedfire2 posted...
if it was a SAM there would have been an explosion while the plane was in the air, not after it hit the ground.

it's 100% intact while still flying

AA strikes don't always turn the aircraft into a big fireball explosion.
Most often it's just a shrapnel attack, which they found traces of, apparently

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Starks
12/26/24 5:56:54 AM
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thronedfire2 posted...
this is completely the opposite of what I saw on reddit yesterday with a much longer video

they circled the airport 3-4 times because of weather/landing issues, then had to come in when they were getting too low on fuel to circle again

there was absolutely no visible evidence of a missile strike
Have fun with that.

https://www.wsj.com/world/dozens-feared-dead-in-crash-after-passenger-flight-diverts-from-russia-fb2cdf2c

Dozens Dead in Airliner Crash Likely Caused by Russian Air Defenses

Ukraine and aviation experts rejected other explanations for an Azerbaijan Airlines crash that killed at least 38 people

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ZevLoveDOOM
12/26/24 6:02:17 AM
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bro that shit is scary as fuck to watch. imagine actually being there...
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Nukazie
12/26/24 6:03:05 AM
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god damn, how do you even survive that besides luck

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ROBANN_88
12/26/24 6:10:38 AM
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ZevLoveDOOM posted...
bro that shit is scary as fuck to watch. imagine actually being there...

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1hm3ao3/a_video_taken_onboard_the_bakugrozny_flight/

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kelemvor
12/26/24 10:12:58 AM
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Looks like the legacy media is *finally* confirming it was Russian air defense that downed the plane instead of calling it a rumor or conspiracy theory.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/azerbaijan-airlines-flight-downed-russian-134937351.html

Also I'm hearing they are checking out the black box and Russian traffic control was trying to tell the plane to crash land in the Caspian Sea (to kill all witnesses and hide all evidence of the AA impact, obviously).
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BlueTigerLion
12/26/24 10:15:41 AM
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thronedfire2 posted...
this is completely the opposite of what I saw on reddit yesterday with a much longer video

they circled the airport 3-4 times because of weather/landing issues, then had to come in when they were getting too low on fuel to circle again

there was absolutely no visible evidence of a missile strike

Yea that is what I based my earlier post on in the thread. Looks like Twitter is indeed a valuable source of information.

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Alteres
12/26/24 10:22:04 AM
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Nukazie posted...
god damn, how do you even survive that besides luck
I know I watched the video, and then was like nearly half of them survived that!? How the fuck? That seems insanely lucky.

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Starks
12/26/24 10:38:09 AM
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kelemvor posted...
Looks like the legacy media is *finally* confirming it was Russian air defense that downed the plane instead of calling it a rumor or conspiracy theory.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/azerbaijan-airlines-flight-downed-russian-134937351.html

Also I'm hearing they are checking out the black box and Russian traffic control was trying to tell the plane to crash land in the Caspian Sea (to kill all witnesses and hide all evidence of the AA impact, obviously).
I don't think the Russians expected the pilots to brute force a crossing of the Caspian with phugoid cycles and differential engine steering.

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Tom_Joad
12/26/24 12:05:51 PM
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FearlessMango posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/4c69c3bf.jpg
birds don't make bullet holes or AA holes

Birds with lasers on their beaks do. I mean, even birds deserve a hot meal, right?

(guess the movie reference)

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Starks
12/26/24 12:20:22 PM
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https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/26/asia/kazakhstan-plane-crash-questions-intl/index.html

US officials now concur that Russia is responsible.

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2001mark
12/26/24 12:21:31 PM
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Many ppl are saying.
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CADE_FOSTER
12/26/24 12:25:05 PM
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Kazakhstan Plane Crash: Russian Pantsir-S System Involvement Confirmed

https://www.tagde24.com/world/kazakhstan-plane-crash-russian-pantsir-s-system-involvement-confirmed/
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BB_mofo
12/26/24 12:40:48 PM
#34:


FearlessMango posted...
birds don't make bullet holes or AA holes

What? You've never heard of birdshot?

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Foppe
12/26/24 1:26:31 PM
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It was clearly Ukraine drones that did it, just so they could blame Russia!!! /s

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Memorial_Bench
12/30/24 6:31:44 AM
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You'd think they'd know how awful airliners going down is

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Rexdragon125
12/31/24 8:12:49 PM
#38:


Russia shooting down passenger jets again, and let me guess, no one will do jack shit about it
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Trumble
12/31/24 8:48:27 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
this is completely the opposite of what I saw on reddit yesterday with a much longer video

they circled the airport 3-4 times because of weather/landing issues, then had to come in when they were getting too low on fuel to circle again

there was absolutely no visible evidence of a missile strike
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/052f6318.jpg

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kelemvor
12/31/24 8:50:10 PM
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Rexdragon125 posted...
Russia shooting down passenger jets again, and let me guess, no one will do jack shit about it

They also dragged an anchor on the seabed for 60 miles hoping to snag and break an underwater power cable, which they succeeded in doing. I don't think Finland needed any more reasons to be pissed at Russia.

But yeah, everyone is scared to upset Russia. They freely flaunt the sanctions and China helps them do it.
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Wherethisfeom
01/02/25 6:35:17 PM
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What happened to the tweet?
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