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Ever since they went multiversal this shit has not made any sense.

Okay so the TVA prunes timelines, so all the timetravel in endgame is canon, if Loki escaping causes him to be a variant, why didn't they show up and stop the branched timeline from starting in the first place?

Now that the TVA is introduced, wtf is no way home and multiverse of madness where it repeatedly talks about structural integrity of timelines and them failing if we are still in the sacred timeline at this point? Shouldn't these universes just not exist at all?

I could go on and on but i'll just condense my rant to that for now.

Akagami_Shanks posted...

Okay so the TVA prunes timelines, so all the timetravel in endgame is canon, if Loki escaping causes him to be a variant, why didn't they show up and stop the branched timeline from starting in the first place?

Loki, season 1, actually addresses that point. They more or less say, point blank, "they were supposed to do that." Therefore they weren't variants, just parts of the timeline playing out. So they get a free pass for some reason.

I don't know for sure on the second point though, unless it is more of the same.

Raycon posted...

Loki, season 1, actually addresses that point. They more or less say, point blank, "they were supposed to do that." Therefore they weren't variants, just parts of the timeline playing out. So they get a free pass for some reason.

I don't know for sure on the second point though, unless it is more of the same.

Then that brings me to another point, alternate timelines have defeated their Thanos, MoM shows that hell it only takes a few of them to gather a book and cast a spell to kill him. Doctor Strange can somehow see over 14 million variations of the fight and nothing worked out besides discovering time travel, taking their reality stones and using them?

Akagami_Shanks posted...

Now that the TVA is introduced, wtf is no way home and multiverse of madness where it repeatedly talks about structural integrity of timelines and them failing if we are still in the sacred timeline at this point? Shouldn't these universes just not exist at all?

End of season 1 allowed for the existence of other timelines. The sacred timeline is no longer special.

Akagami_Shanks posted...

Then that brings me to another point, alternate timelines have defeated their Thanos, MoM shows that hell it only takes a few of them to gather a book and cast a spell to kill him. Doctor Strange can somehow see over 14 million variations of the fight and nothing worked out besides discovering time travel, taking their reality stones and using them?

My best guess is Strange could only see outcomes approved by the TVA

Thats kind of the catch when you introduce time travel and multiverses, particularly when the multiverses start interacting. It gets much easier to create paradoxes and wait how did this happen/not happen moments, especially when every movie and tv show is tied to one another and theres so many of them

A cinematic universe with few plot holes is hard. A cinematic universe that has few plot holes with constant new entries and waning quality control is very hard

I stopped after Endgame. Time Travel was as comic booky as I was willing to let it get.

I did make an exception for Guardians 3 though.

Akagami_Shanks posted...

Now that the TVA is introduced, wtf is no way home and multiverse of madness where it repeatedly talks about structural integrity of timelines and them failing if we are still in the sacred timeline at this point? Shouldn't these universes just not exist at all?

I think that the TVA prunes timelines before they can become too established and become full-on alternate realities. They have a window of opportunity to cut it off before they can't do anything about it anymore.

It was also established that Timely had the TVA specifically working with universes that were "close enough" to the Sacred Timeline, implying that there are full realities out there with changes so drastic that, say, Peter Parker can be three completely different people. No Way Home and Multiverse of Madness (and Deadpool & Wolverine) were dealing with worlds that were further divorced from what the TVA originally kept jurisdiction over, because the TVA had been left intentionally in the dark about most of the Multiverse by He Who Remains.

Akagami_Shanks posted...

Then that brings me to another point, alternate timelines have defeated their Thanos, MoM shows that hell it only takes a few of them to gather a book and cast a spell to kill him. Doctor Strange can somehow see over 14 million variations of the fight and nothing worked out besides discovering time travel, taking their reality stones and using them?

Strange was looking through time via the Time Stone, not alternate realities where the circumstances had been set up differently. He could only see what could potentially happen from the exact point he was at, not theoretical points where the Avengers were a completely different team and they had different resources on a different planet, none of which would have been helpful to them at that moment anyway.

TMOG posted...

Strange was looking through time via the Time Stone, not alternate realities where the circumstances had been set up differently. He could only see what could potentially happen from the exact point he was at, not theoretical points where the Avengers were a completely different team and they had different resources on a different planet, none of which would have been helpful to them at that moment anyway.

Well the darkhold is still on earth right?

Darkhold was "destroyed" when Wanda died.

bobbyrk posted...

Darkhold was "destroyed" when Wanda died.

It was still around before then, but I guess it wasn't needed as a Macguffin then

Akagami_Shanks posted...

Well the darkhold is still on earth right?

It was (retroactively) on Earth at the time of Infinity War, yes, but Strange wasn't. He was on a different planet and had very, very limited time to make a plan. He didn't exactly have the luxury of going to hunt for a long-lost book that he wasn't even sure actually existed, and the idea probably never even crossed his mind.

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I'm glad most of the internet has finally come round to hating on marvel

Yeah, the idea that they could just do what the Illuminati universe did is kind of silly considering how different that universe is.