Current Events > Breaking Bad (Spoilers) Most evil villain of these two.

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Curious to see who people deem the more villainous of the two.

i dont really see it as a scale once you get to the point of either of them

Gus.

I don't see him having anyone he'd put himself out for.

with Jesse, I saw it more as a manipulation thing/plan B.

like, he saw Jesse as a more reliable alternative to Walt, being as skilled as a cook, with none of the chaotic nature. at best, Jesse was an asset. plus there was the added benefit of screwing with Walt.

iirc, all Gus did for Jesse was have a blood bag just in case it was necessary.

It's a hard question to answer because Gus is more pragmatic with his villainy and typically avoids outright acts of cruelty, while Walter is petty about it but has lines he won't cross for certain people

If you also factor in Gus' potential past in the Chilean army/government under Pinochet, it's him. While nothing is outright said about it, it's implied he was a big shot. Hector mockingly calls him a "big generalissimo". Could be an exaggeration, but that and Don Eladio's comment "I know who you are" point in that direction.

They're both bad in their own ways. Although thinking more on it, in terms of evilness, I think Gus is more conventionally evil.

Gus Treats some of his employees better and Walt is a rapist.

walt had to become the bigger threat to overcome gus
but gus was evil for longer than walt

Nukazie posted...

walt had to become the bigger threat to overcome gus
but gus was evil for longer than walt

yea this is my way of thinking about it. walt wasn't really a big villain till the end. gus seemed rather innocent a lot of the time till you really see what he did behind the scenes and see how cutthroat he actually was. plus in the end walt redeems himself for jesse.

Remember when Walt stupidly involved the cleaning ladies and Gus's response was to have them all murdered?

Gus is more pragmatic but he is very capable of doing horrible, horrible things when he's a mind to.

Skylar. How could she even cheat like that.

LightSnake posted...

Remember when Walt stupidly involved the cleaning ladies and Gus's response was to have them all murdered?

Gus is more pragmatic but he is very capable of doing horrible, horrible things when he's a mind to.

he had them deported, not murdered

Kain_Highwind posted...

he had them deported, not murdered

This is like still believing your parents very quickly sold your old dog to a farm upstate where he'll be happy.

Gus, just because Walt didn't live long enough to have all the same situations as Gus.

Oh yeah, Gus caught and tortured an animal just for eating fruit from a tree he planted and this is when he was younger.

It's been a while since I watched, but didn't he give the ok for those street dealer dudes to kill Andrea's little kid brother?

Southernfatman posted...

Oh yeah, Gus caught and tortured an animal just for eating fruit from a tree he planted and this is when he was younger.

It's been a while since I watched, but didn't he give the ok for those street dealer dudes to kill Andrea's little kid brother?

It's not revealed, but it's heavily implied that yes.

Gus because he had a bigger area to be evil in. Walt is more petty and totally willing to murder and didn't have an issue with Todd murdering a kid. But Walt never had the years long kingpin status and simply effected less people.

I'll vote for whoever the first person tells me to vote for, cause I like voting in polls but I've only ever seen the first 3 episodes of that show.

LightSnake posted...

This is like still believing your parents very quickly sold your old dog to a farm upstate where he'll be happy.

I haven't seen the show, but its weird seeing such drastically different interpretations of a scene

Did he kill them or deport them? Big difference lol

Why would Gus lie about having them deported?

Its been a long time since Ive seen the show mind you

I voted for Walter. Both are very evil, but Walter.

Gus at least looks at the big picture in my cases, and lets his actions benefit the big picture. This leads to him doing acts of good to help himself out in the long run. This includes philanthropy and charity, running a business than looks out for its employees, and just trying to do good by the community in all ways outside of his drug empire.

With Walt every little petty victory needs to be his, and he will run down just about anyone to get his way, except for his family and Jesse. Usually.

easy Gus. Walt only ever killed when threatened, and even then he tried to get around it. Gus simply only refrained from killing when it inconvenienced him. Now had Walt lived longer he may have become worse than anyone could imagine.

Gus was more malicious and was more accepting of being a violent criminal. He didnt seem even remotely bothered doing something violent and Walter seemed to feel bad every time he did something wrong.

Baron_Ox posted...

with none of the chaotic nature.

"Jesse is not chaotic"

LOL

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It's unknown. Walt's reply certainly implies his belief Gus had a hand in it, but it's vague and could just have easily been an insult.

haloiscoolisbak posted...

I haven't seen the show, but its weird seeing such drastically different interpretations of a scene

Did he kill them or deport them? Big difference lol

Tbh, the show leaves a lot of things like that ambiguous and it's up to the viewer to theorize on what happened.

Kinda like how it's never outright confirmed if Gus actually has a family (even though it's heavily implied that he doesn't).

That's part of what makes Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul so great.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Tbh, the show leaves a lot of things like that ambiguous and it's up to the viewer to theorize on what happened.

Kinda like how it's never outright confirmed if Gus actually has a family (even though it's heavily implied that he doesn't).

That's part of what makes Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul so great.

Sounds similar to my favourite show, the Sopranos! I will try BB next

haloiscoolisbak posted...

Sounds similar to my favourite show, the Sopranos! I will try BB next

You will love it. There's a reason people still talk about it to this day. There's so many different ways to read and interpret each character and their backstory. I've probably rewatched the entire show about 3 or 4 times now and every time, I've either noticed something new or my read of a character will change.

Gus did worse things over a longer career, but theres nothing he did that Walter wouldnt have. I think if Gus significant other survived the first blunder they wouldve quit to keep each other safe. I assume Gus now has no one hes close with. Walter never entertained quitting despite multiple threats to his family.

Gus threatened to kill Holly, a literal baby, and I believed him.

I don't think Walt would ever kill a baby.

pegusus123456 posted...

Gus threatened to kill Holly, a literal baby, and I believed him.

I don't think Walt would ever kill a baby.

but Walt poisoned a child

Kain_Highwind posted...

but Walt poisoned a child

With a nonlethal dose. He was gambling, but he wasn't intentionally trying to kill him.

But I specifically said baby. I think Walt could conceivably kill a kid. Just not a baby.

Walt makes worse decisions because he is very emotional and prone to doing dumb shit, but he has to justify it to himself because he still has a conscious and in the end realizes he is a bad person. Gus literally doesn't care because he is a sociopath, but this also makes his bad actions more predictable and less prone to petty idiocy (with a notable and fatal exception).

I think Walt because he did it for his ego when he didn't have to, and also caused so much collateral damage. While Gus is probably sociopathic, he generally kept violence limited to those already participating in the system.

pegusus123456 posted...

With a nonlethal dose. He was gambling, but he wasn't intentionally trying to kill him.

But I specifically said baby. I think Walt could conceivably kill a kid. Just not a baby.

The popular fan view is that Walt viewed Jesse as like a son and still ordered his death. I dont think hed scoff at threatening an enemys baby.

okay sure, Gus was longer in the game than Walt hence outranking him on the evil scale.

but Walt just went full scorched earth turning everything to shit while Gus was trying to keep things going making it run like clockwork. can't help but agree with Mike on this one... lol

Gus was willing to sacrifice children without a second thought.
He also felt no remorse.

Walter did poison Bruno ( or whatever the kids name was) but there was never any intent to kill even if it was a risk. And it was still a major asshole thing to do to put the kids life at risk regardless but there is no way you can say that what Walter White did was more worse than having your lackies murder a kid in cold blood, and than feel no remorse for it.

WIth that said though, I feel that Gus Frings Backstory is far more Tragic, he turned his loss into a grand empire makinjg hundreds of millions of dollars.

Walter did not accomplish nearly as much as Gus Fring, though I do admit, his time was more limited and restricted.

Gus was both more successful and far more evil ( possibly due to the tragedy, or because absolutepower corrupts absoutely.09

bfslick50 posted...

The popular fan view is that Walt viewed Jesse as like a son and still ordered his death. I dont think hed scoff at threatening an enemys baby.

Sure, but this after Jesse betrayed him, and was actively helping his brother to capture Walt. Even then, he wanted the hit on Jesse to be painless and quick. Gus wouldn't have hesitated to kill Jesse, let alone care about it being painless.

Link_of_time posted...

Sure, but this after Jesse betrayed him, and was actively helping his brother to capture Walt. Even then, he wanted the hit on Jesse to be painless and quick. Gus wouldn't have hesitated to kill Jesse, let alone care about it being painless.

the only reason gus kept jessie alive was because he realized he could manipulate him against walt for revenge and to take control of the situation and their lives.

OKAMYDEN posted...

"Jesse is not chaotic"

LOL

sorry, I meant at that point in the story, if you don't consider Walt manipulating him.

Link_of_time posted...

Sure, but this after Jesse betrayed him, and was actively helping his brother to capture Walt. Even then, he wanted the hit on Jesse to be painless and quick. Gus wouldn't have hesitated to kill Jesse, let alone care about it being painless.

Its not about willing to kill Jesse but willing to kill someone you have a close attachment to. If were measuring evil, the person that abuses loved ones is more evil than the one who has no loved ones and kills troublesome acquaintances.

bfslick50 posted...

Its not about willing to kill Jesse but willing to kill someone you have a close attachment to. If were measuring evil, the person that abuses loved ones is more evil than the one who has no loved ones and kills troublesome acquaintances.

Sure, but that cuts both ways. If they swapped places Gus would've let Jesse be killed to maintain his status, while Walt risked everything he had to save Jesse. Jesse also isn't some innocent loved one who forgot to pick up the mail. He is intentionally trying to harm Walt, by extension his family, and actively helping others to do the same.

tbf, he only really seemed to want Jesse dead after Jack and his crew killed Hank.

it seemed like a heat of passion kind of thing.

By season 5 Walt has no issue killing as necessary. But Gus actively runs his business. He sends out people to murder and expand his empire