Current Events > Biden: Netanyahu had legitimate reason reasons to bomb civilians in Gaza

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You'd rather vote for Trump? You silly sausage.

It's not the only reason, but it's a bloody big one.

At this point I'm starting to see the merit over the meme that Biden is going full scorched earth on the Democrats out of spite.

1. Carpet bombing civilians is a legitimate use of force.

2. I spoke with the leader of State and he said that, from his perspective, carpet bombing civilians is a legitimate use of force.

These sentences have very different meanings and some in this thread are trying to conflate them as being the same. If you actually watch the video you will see that sentence 2 is what was said.

America is going to fall because Biden felt it was legitimate to blow up innocent people. And centrist still blaming everyone else

Not that big. Most Americans don't know or care what goes on overseas unless it personally affects them. It only affected Palestinian Americans, and their numbers are pretty small in the grand scheme of things.

Not that big. Most Americans don't know or care what goes on overseas unless it personally affects them. It only affected Palestinian Americans, and their numbers are pretty small in the grand scheme of things.

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Were these voters located in the swing states that Kamala lost not so much due to lower Democrat turnout compared to 2020 but because of an increase in Republican turnout? Just a refresher, we go by the Electoral College, it doesn't really matter that millions fewer Californians voted for Kamala because it was still solid blue.

Before firmly demonstrating that Gaza cost Democrats the election, its important to keep a handful of caveats in mind. Even if October 7 and the resulting genocide had never happened, its fair to assume some number of those non-voters still would not have voted, and would have cited a different top reason for not voting. Citing a top reason for not voting is far different than it being the only reason not to vote.

And because the turnout drop off was smaller in swing states, Gaza may not have been decisive on its own. Whenever surveys confirm views we already hold, or tell us things we want to be true, its worth approaching their findings with increased skepticism. Still, even the most biased poll can only manufacture so much of a response. Even if the true numbers arent as stark as this survey found, it points in a clear direction: Bidens ruthless support for Israels genocide, and the refusal of Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris to break with him, hurt her among voters who stayed home.

A previous survey, taken during the election by YouGov and also sponsored by Institute for Middle East Understanding Policy Project, found strong evidence that Harris would be significantly boosted by breaking with Biden on Gaza and applying real pressure on Israel. But Harris chose not to do so.

Breaking with Biden on Gaza could have had knock on effects elsewhere, as Harris never successfully answered a question that dogged her throughout her campaign: What would she have done differently than Biden? Or what would she do differently in the future?

Eventually, Harris settled on an unsatisfying answer. My presidency will not be a continuation of Joe Bidens presidency, and like every new president that comes into office, I will bring my life experiences, my professional experiences, and fresh and new ideas, she said in one emblematic response. Clearly, I am not Joe Biden, she said at the presidential debate. Yet, she had no answer for how they diverged, other than And I am certainly not Donald Trump. In an appearance on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert, she reiterated these points, and followed with a gobbledygook response about American aspirations and opportunity and small businesses. In other high-profile interviews, she similarly declined to offer any answer as to what she would do differently, other than be a different person.

Of course, diverging from Biden on Gaza risked losing voters who supported his policy. But a close look at the survey suggests that risk was low compared to the potential reward. Voters who were with Biden in 2020 and stuck with Harris in 2024 were asked if breaking with him on Gaza would make them more or less enthusiastic about voting for Harris. By a 35 to 5 margin, they said doing so would have made them more enthusiastic to vote for her, with the remainder saying it would have made no difference.

You underestimate Americans. OK, you underestimate some Americans. What you say is true of an awful lot of Americans (and not just Americans), but the idea that only Palestinians care about it just isn't true - there are plenty of other people who do care, possibly enough to have swung the election, definitely enough to have swung it in combination with the Democrats' other disastrous blunders (the other biggest one being that Biden was ever a candidate for 2024 in the first place).

tl;dr it maybe cost her the election question mark question mark question mark we'll never know for sure and there's no do-overs but all math & polling points to her chances would have been better if she took a firmer stance against Israel.

I'll admit that I still haven't fully got over the election loss. Well, not the loss itself, but rather how angry I am with how Humans are just as stupid as their stone age descendants. And with the Democratic party. Republicans may have put party over country, but it seems that the Democrats did the same. Well, the establishment Democrats anyway.

https://twitter.com/AssalRad/status/1880144849674080574

Literally Genocide Joe

Even Netanyahu was probably shocked at how easy that was.

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TL;DR: Israel/Palestine didn't even crack the top 10 issues voters were concerned with.

The article by Ryan Grim isn't about voters.

Maybe I misunderstood it. Thought he was saying those who voted for Biden in 2020 did not come out to vote for Harris in 2024 due to the genocide.

Your Gallup poll that you posted is about voters. It has nothing to do with the article Ryan Grim wrote which is about non voters

"The economy is the most important issue to me which is why I didn't vote this year" ~ nobody, ever.

Apparently 24% of non voters did actually say this though, according to Grim's article.

https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/kamala-harris-gaza-israel-biden-election-poll

And to think so many of us into trouble for not supporting this piece of shit.

Once trump is officially in charge, I'm sure we will see the same outrage from all these people screaming "Genocide Joe" when the current policy doesn't change for the better one bit. Right?

Once trump is officially in charge, I'm sure we will see the same outrage from all these people screaming "Genocide Joe" when the current policy doesn't change for the better one bit. Right?

"People who think it is bad that Biden facilitated the genocide are MAGAs" is maybe the most nonsensical take out of all possibilities

Claiming Biden did not support Israels genocide is wilful disinformation and should be a warnable, if not outright bannable, offence.

Does Bibi asking for everything he wanted from the US and getting it immediately even count as "playing Biden"?

I'm fairly convinced that Biden is incapable of believing that Bibi could go too far and is also incapable of believing that Bibi was his personal enemy.

Biden is a piece of trash to who knew.

The majority of CE was to busy tagging everyone who ever brought this up as a fascist.

Does Bibi asking for everything he wanted from the US and getting it immediately even count as "playing Biden"?

I'm fairly convinced that Biden is incapable of believing that Bibi could go too far and is also incapable of believing that Bibi was his personal enemy.