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El_Dustino
01/29/25 10:35:55 PM
#355:


Where is the line between criticizing and poisoning the well?

I think "Killer Kamala and Genocide Joe" are unhelpful, and think people who voted for Trump or didn't vote for Kamala are stupid, but like, the Biden was aiding a Genocide and Kamala said she will not be meaningfully different, that's kinda fucked up and deserves to be criticized.

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Strider102
01/29/25 11:40:26 PM
#356:


El_Dustino posted...
Where is the line between criticizing and poisoning the well?

I think "Killer Kamala and Genocide Joe" are unhelpful, and think people who voted for Trump or didn't vote for Kamala are stupid, but like, the Biden was aiding a Genocide and Kamala said she will not be meaningfully different, that's kinda fucked up and deserves to be criticized.

No one says you can't criticize them for it, but people also needed to realize there was a lot more at stake than just the genocide in Gaza.

Now everyone is going to find out exactly what is at stake.

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EPR-radar
01/29/25 11:47:36 PM
#357:


Strider102 posted...
No one says you can't criticize them for it, but people also needed to realize there was a lot more at stake than just the genocide in Gaza.

Now everyone is going to find out exactly what is at stake.
Part of the ongoing stupidity in this festering post-mortem is the pretense by some that there's no nuance between pointing out that Biden's unconditional support of Israel after Bibi starting doing his war crimes in high gear was really shitty policy, both morally and practically, and posting "GENOCIDE JOE" over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

These two things are not the same.

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asdf8562
01/30/25 11:11:33 AM
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tb333 posted...
The amount of people on this board who are gonna laugh at people in camps for "doing it to themselvs" disgusts me. Some people got tricked by a conman and many were apathetic. If you think you care about people and the stuff happening now makes you happy no you dont. There is stuff that can still be done and now is a time for action. Can those of us that are not part of a troll farm stop doing this "lol" blame bs and point out the con to those who will listen.
This kind of talk is pretty ironic given the actions of the exact people who shot themselves in the foot, and continue to make excuses why their self inflicted wound was justified. While demanding everyone feel pitty for them shooting themselves in the foot. In fact, defenders of this behavior want us to coddle this behavior.

Sorry not sorry, these people are not blameless in their actions. You can't help people who think they are teaching people some lesson by hurting themselves, to later demand sympathy for an action they are still justifying. You can't help people who claim to support a cause by intentionally trying to sabotage/make life worse for the people they claim to want to help.

The people who supported not voting or going 3rd party actively supported a movement that made life far more worse for the people they claimed to care about all so they can posture as being morally clean. Not voting Kamala regardless of their moral posturing, helped Trump. Regardless of the excuses they tend to present.
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El_Dustino
01/30/25 11:28:18 AM
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I don't think anyone who voted for Trump this election deserves sympathy but the gleeful hoping that they suffer and die from some people is very off-putting. And rather Republican like.

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Pitbuller_26
01/30/25 11:34:12 AM
#360:


El_Dustino posted...
I don't think anyone who voted for Trump this election deserves sympathy but the gleeful hoping that they suffer and die from some people is very off-putting. And rather Republican like.

After the past decade of Trump and MAGA, we are tired of them and wish them the worst. Having any kind of sympathy or empathy towards them is asking to get burned. Their constant racism, homophobia, transphobia, etc...we ain't trying to deal with it.

They do not learn lessons until it hits them hard and even then, it's not even a sure thing that they learn the lesson.
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creativerealms
01/30/25 11:37:51 AM
#361:


I get the conflict in Israel was important and To some people it was the most important issue but the way I saw it, things wouldn't get better over there regardless of who was in charge. That pretty much anyone would support Israel's actions. So I looked at everything else and what would change depending on who was in charge

That's why I voted for Harris as she was better (to me) on nearly every issue. Course she lost and well nothing will change that.

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loafy013
01/30/25 11:59:08 AM
#362:


EPR-radar posted...
Part of the ongoing stupidity in this festering post-mortem is the pretense by some that there's no nuance between pointing out that Biden's unconditional support of Israel after Bibi starting doing his war crimes in high gear was really shitty policy, both morally and practically, and posting "GENOCIDE JOE" over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

These two things are not the same.
Not just that, but they only hold that standard for one candidate. Always how bad Biden and Harris are on Gaza, yet never a peep about trump doing stuff like moving the embassy or saying Jerusalem belongs to Israel.

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asdf8562
01/30/25 12:43:38 PM
#363:


El_Dustino posted...
I don't think anyone who voted for Trump this election deserves sympathy but the gleeful hoping that they suffer and die from some people is very off-putting. And rather Republican like.
I can't speak for others but I will speak for myself.

I'm not hoping for their death. I am however not going to lose sleep over anything happening to them and have no issue pointing out you are getting what you voted for. I also have no problem treating them with no sympathy, or coddleing them as if what they are getting isn't their own fault. Nor will I pretend they hold no blame for any suffering they complain about.

Elections have consequences.

Same level of non existent sympathy from me goes out to the non voters and 3rd party voters who only care about appearing like they care about marginalized groups while they to this day defend helping Trump. Who's much worse.
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DrizztLink
01/30/25 3:31:21 PM
#365:


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lol hope you ain't including yourself in that category

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EPR-radar
01/30/25 3:35:50 PM
#367:


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That's not what's happening. Nobody is getting shit for saying "US I/P policy was unacceptable under Biden (and has been unacceptable for decades), but vote for Harris anyway because that's the better of two shitty options on I/P".

People are getting shit for saying "I voted/will vote for Harris, perhaps you should also do that, but GENOCIDE JOE KILLER KAMALA GENOCIDE JOE KILLER KAMALA GENOCIDE JOE KILLER KAMALA GENOCIDE JOE KILLER KAMALA GENOCIDE JOE KILLER KAMALA."

That second part cancels out the first part (and honestly makes it incredible on its face).

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DrizztLink
01/30/25 3:36:55 PM
#368:


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There's your qualification for one half of the category.

It was a two-part thing tho

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asdf8562
01/30/25 4:10:10 PM
#370:


EPR-radar posted...
That's not what's happening. Nobody is getting shit for saying "US I/P policy was unacceptable under Biden (and has been unacceptable for decades), but vote for Harris anyway because that's the better of two shitty options on I/P".

People are getting shit for saying "I voted/will vote for Harris, perhaps you should also do that, but GENOCIDE JOE KILLER KAMALA GENOCIDE JOE KILLER KAMALA GENOCIDE JOE KILLER KAMALA GENOCIDE JOE KILLER KAMALA GENOCIDE JOE KILLER KAMALA."

That second part cancels out the first part (and honestly makes it incredible on its face).
This, and to add on those same people are as we speak still quiet on Trump. Or, still as we speak primarily focused on "Genocide Joe."

Some of who I think are cosplaying. Given their criticism tends to focus only on Dems or they try to play the "both sides are bad, and here's why not voting or going 3rd party is justified" card.
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DrizztLink
01/30/25 4:11:45 PM
#371:


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Control + f: "swing state":

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Not found.

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Sir_Will
01/30/25 4:26:19 PM
#372:


Everyone who could have voted for Harris but didn't is responsible for what Trump is doing now. You could have helped stop him. You didn't.

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Westernwolf4
01/30/25 4:55:05 PM
#374:


Sir_Will posted...
Everyone who could have voted for Harris but didn't is responsible for what Trump is doing now. You could have helped stop him. You didn't.

It really is this simple to me, now and in 2016 also. One of the two choices (GOP/MAGA) was so obviously evil that it needed to be voted against, with the rest of it sorted out later. Everyone who didnt vote against Trump who had the opportunity to do so is part of the problem.

This applies no matter what state you live in. For one thing, evil and corruption need to be opposed whether you live in a swing state or not. More practically speaking, crap like Trump winning the popular vote gives ammunition to the basic claim that Trump has some huge mandate to govern. Of course they are going to say shit like this anyway, but no need to help them make their dumb arguments.

I will never ever budge on this-MAGA and the GOP are the most responsible for the utter clown show our government has become, followed very closely by all the Trump voters and protest voters and non-voters who could have kept Trump from power and didnt. And yes, that also includes people who say they voted for Harris, but spent months relentlessly trashing Biden/Harris before then.

We needed to unite to stop MAGA, a grave threat to our government, our way of life, and to the vulnerable among us. MAGA and Voters who dropped the ball on that opportunity are to blame, no matter where else they feel more comfortable directing the responsibility.

Now we have four more years of this to look forward to (gestures wildly at the last ten days).


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Zelduh
01/30/25 4:57:05 PM
#375:


Anyone who didn't vote for Harris is evil and complicit in everything that's happening and will happen. No excuses.
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DrizztLink
01/30/25 4:59:14 PM
#377:


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This whole thing came about because you got upset that a group to which you don't belong is getting insulted.

I pointed out your lack of membership, you changed the parameters of the group being discussed.

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Rika_Furude
01/30/25 5:09:20 PM
#379:


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If someone is voting against Harris due to some moral stance, it shows off their lack of morals so they already failed whatever they were attempting regardless
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Rika_Furude
01/30/25 5:17:49 PM
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Ive always promoted Bernie . Even center-left is too much for you people. Your country is extreme-right.

the ideal of morality where someone works for the worst outcome for everyone including themselves is objectively wrong and you will never have an argument for how its right
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Rika_Furude
01/30/25 5:24:31 PM
#383:


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Are you going to justify how opposing killer Kamala and getting trump elected was the best outcome for everyone? Because if you cant, your entire argument is going to fall apart.
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Rika_Furude
01/30/25 5:26:53 PM
#385:


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Abandon Harris isnt promoting Harris
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loafy013
01/30/25 5:40:18 PM
#387:


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I voted Stein in 2016 in a safe blue state. I still feel guilt over assuming Hillary would win over trump and not voting for her. Sure, I didn't vote for trump, but by not voting Clinton, it says I was indifferent to whichever one won. One of the biggest regrets of my life.

Unless I'm overlooking it on this page, you didn't vote for Harris because you are in a state where your vote "wouldn't matter". Do you feel any guilt or responsibility for not even making a token effort to say "I don't want trump to win"?

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Rika_Furude
01/30/25 5:41:22 PM
#388:


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based on post 376 you dont seem to view people who opposed Harris as problematic
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NeonPhoenix
01/30/25 6:16:38 PM
#390:


What's going on in this top-

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StarFighters76
01/30/25 6:45:36 PM
#391:


Rika_Furude posted...
Are you going to justify how opposing killer Kamala and getting trump elected was the best outcome for everyone? Because if you cant, your entire argument is going to fall apart.

He has no argument. Thought it was obvious?

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Rika_Furude
01/30/25 7:19:24 PM
#393:


StarFighters76 posted...
He has no argument. Thought it was obvious?
The troll is already blocking people so yeah its fairly obvious
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Humble_Novice
01/30/25 7:20:47 PM
#394:


Rika_Furude posted...
The troll is already blocking people so yeah its fairly obvious
Which user? I think I may have already blocked them beforehand.

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Rika_Furude
01/30/25 7:23:04 PM
#395:


Humble_Novice posted...
Which user? I think I may have already blocked them beforehand.
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Unknown5uspect
01/30/25 8:05:19 PM
#396:


He blocked me too. Whatever.

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cjsdowg
01/30/25 9:22:49 PM
#398:


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HE did, people have admitted bibi was trying to help Trump win.

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Humble_Novice
01/30/25 9:23:19 PM
#399:


Rika_Furude posted...
shockthemonkey
Ah, no wonder. I blocked them first because they kept on barging into my topics.

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StarFighters76
01/30/25 9:23:54 PM
#400:


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Which is all the more reason the whole election seemed very sus. But no one wants to question it.

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EPR-radar
01/30/25 9:27:03 PM
#401:


StarFighters76 posted...
Which is all the more reason the whole election seemed very sus. But no one wants to question it.
The GOP did its usual (and mostly legal) cheating in 2024. Propaganda, gerrymandering and voter suppression being the big three.

What draws skepticism is the idea that the GOP actually managed to fuck with the vote counts.

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