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Antifar
02/01/25 11:58:20 AM
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I posted it in another topic yesterday, but it's been lingering with me
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/33ee4772.jpg

Amid the inflation of 2022 and the war on Gaza, his approval remained basically within a margin of error of 38%. People soured on him in the summer of 2021, and there's only a slight downward trend afterwards.

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LightSnake
02/01/25 12:00:32 PM
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Yeah any Biden woulda won is delusional. Hes done, gone. Leave the positives to the historians

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chaos_knight
02/01/25 12:03:18 PM
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Democrats start to fix the economy, but not fast enough. They get booted for Republicans who take all the credit before the crash they cause starts...

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Starks
02/01/25 12:04:19 PM
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He never recovered from the Afghanistan pullout

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LightHawKnight
02/01/25 12:04:21 PM
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chaos_knight posted...
Democrats start to fix the economy, but not fast enough. They get booted for Republicans who take all the credit before the crash they cause starts...


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tremain07
02/01/25 12:06:15 PM
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When you see this and see Trump hovering at 40 percent roughly it really makes you accept that we are a nation in decline and have no hope left. I don't see a realistic way Democrats recover from this let alone recover in a way that isn't immediately smothered by the unchecked corruption of Trump's administration

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Metal_Gear_Raxis
02/01/25 12:06:17 PM
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Oh we don't have to worry about Republicans getting to take any credit, the crash is already starting.

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Sonixs
02/01/25 12:11:34 PM
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GOP propaganda at its finest.

If Dems were smart they'd blame everything negative on Trump as well. Regardless of if it's his fault as well.
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Enclave
02/01/25 12:24:18 PM
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Pulling out of Afghanistan was 100% the right move but the media is owned by financial interests and thus they had to portray it as the worst thing Biden could have done.

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Pitbuller_26
02/01/25 12:24:19 PM
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Just the dumbest electorate on Earth.

I feel like Biden is the first of many possible future Democratic presidents where this will happen: High approvals but abysmally low approvals at the end despite actually having a good presidency with solid achievements.
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Sayoria
02/01/25 12:25:24 PM
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Also shows how fucking dumb people with a low education are. Likely all think Biden killed the economy coming out of the pandemic

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Dio
02/01/25 12:45:54 PM
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Biden was supposed to day 1 fix the economy and end inflation. He didn't therefore we should vote Trump!

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Vegy
02/01/25 12:50:34 PM
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Will dis hurt his 2028 presidential run?

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argonautweakend
02/01/25 12:52:31 PM
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He was far from perfect, of course. and make some mistakes along the way, but I feel like the average American will be begging for a figure like him to come back to the oval office. He mostly shut the fuck up and his teams did great work in the background and he wouldn't dream of making a press conference about a deadly plane crash all about DEI and other bullshit, and he wouldn't dream of turning off all loans and payments like the other day. The media also never really played fair with him, to where if people never knew of a good thing he did, I wouldn't be surprised.

I feel like history will be kind on Biden in the future, outside of his DOJ really not preventing this mess from happening.
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Antifar
02/01/25 12:55:53 PM
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When you're right, you're right

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emblem-man
02/01/25 12:56:52 PM
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The people don't know what they want.

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Thermador446
02/01/25 1:36:47 PM
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He did better than most presidents.
I take this chart as a Speedrun towards Idiocracy more than anything

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Enclave
02/01/25 1:40:02 PM
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Thermador446 posted...
He did better than most presidents.
I take this chart as a Speedrun towards Idiocracy more than anything

Biden was doing quite well by my books right up until the Gaza genocide. Though could have been way better on the environment but really that applies to just about every leader of a country in the world.

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josifrees
02/01/25 1:40:18 PM
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Biden didnt pull out of Afghanistan trump did and Biden had to execute the treaty

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Antifar
02/01/25 1:40:56 PM
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josifrees posted...
Biden didnt pull out of Afghanistan trump did and Biden had to execute the treaty
Please do not give Trump credit for a withdrawal he did not have the courage to go through with. The withdrawal was good, and when you try to paint it as something Biden only did because his hand was forced, you take away one of the better parts of his legacy.

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Enclave
02/01/25 1:41:52 PM
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josifrees posted...
Biden didnt pull out of Afghanistan trump did and Biden had to execute the treaty

Trump was never going to pull out, he was just reducing the number of troops there.

And again, actually pulling out was the right move, the military couldn't stay there forever and the fact that the government that was installed collapsed instantly pretty much confirms that even if we had stayed there for 20 more years it still wouldn't have been stable.

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josifrees
02/01/25 1:46:48 PM
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Antifar posted...
Please do not give Trump credit for a withdrawal he did not have the courage to go through with.

??? Trump should be held accountable for handing a fledgling democracy over to religious extremists. Dont understand the point in denying the truth or thinking that was a good thing

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josifrees
02/01/25 1:51:23 PM
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Enclave posted...
Trump was never going to pull out, he was just reducing the number of troops there.

And again, actually pulling out was the right move, the military couldn't stay there forever and the fact that the government that was installed collapsed instantly pretty much confirms that even if we had stayed there for 20 more years it still wouldn't have been stable.

why do you say he was never going to pull out? He invited the Taliban to Camp David and got along great with them. The treaty said we would not have troops there. Not sure why you think he wouldnt.

The right move was to not get involved in the first place back in the 80s. The US is incapable of building anything but ethnofascist states. They cannot even provide democracy to their own citizens let alone provide the means necessary to foster a culture of democracy elsewhere

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chaos_knight
02/01/25 1:54:03 PM
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Biden could have pulled a Trump and said fuck past agreements. Only Democrats have to abide by those it seems. No one would have given a shit if we just declared war on the Taliban again.

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Enclave
02/01/25 1:56:15 PM
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Because you just need to look at Trump and who he's beholden to. He wasn't going to actually withdraw. You can believe he actually was going to but I'd argue when he says shit like that you should take it with a grain of salt.

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creativerealms
02/01/25 1:58:23 PM
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The propaganda against this man worked wonders.

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Antifar
02/01/25 1:58:32 PM
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josifrees posted...
??? Trump should be held accountable for handing a fledgling democracy over to religious extremists.
The US presence in Afghanistan consisted largely of shit like this:
At least 452 civilians were killed in 107 raids. This number is almost certainly an undercount. While some raids did result in the capture or death of known militants, others killed bystanders or appeared to target people for no clear reason.
A troubling number of raids appear to have relied on faulty intelligence by the CIA and other U.S. intelligence-gathering services. Two Afghan Zero Unit soldiers described raids they were sent on in which they said their targets were chosen by the United States.
The former head of Afghanistans intelligence agency acknowledged that the units were getting it wrong at times and killing civilians. He oversaw the Zero Units during a crucial period and agreed that no one paid a consequence for those botched raids. He went on to describe an operation that went wrong: I went to the family myself and said: We are sorry. ... We want to be different from the Taliban. And I mean we did, we wanted to be different from the Taliban.
The Afghan soldiers werent alone on the raids; U.S. special operations forces soldiers working with the CIA often joined them. The Afghan soldiers Billing spoke to said they were typically accompanied on raids by at least 10 U.S. special operations forces soldiers. These deaths happened at our hands. I have participated in many raids, one of the Afghans said, and there have been hundreds of raids where someone is killed and they are not Taliban or ISIS, and where no militants are present at all.
Military planners baked potential collateral damage into the pre-raid calculus how many women/children/noncombatants were at risk if the raid went awry, according to one U.S. Army Ranger Billing spoke to. Those forecasts were often wildly off, he said, yet no one seemed to really care. He told Billing that night raids were a better option than airstrikes but acknowledged that the raids risked creating new insurgent recruits. You go on night raids, make more enemies, then you gotta go on more night raids for the more enemies you now have to kill.
Because the Zero Units operated under a CIA program, their actions were part of a classified war, with the lines of accountability so obscured that no one had to answer for operations that went wrong. And U.S. responsibility for the raids was quietly muddied by a legal loophole that allows the CIA and any U.S. soldiers lent to the agency for their operations to act without the same level of oversight as the American military.
Congressional aides and former intelligence committee staffers said they dont believe Congress was getting a complete picture of the CIAs overseas operations. Lawyers representing whistleblowers said there is ample motivation to downplay to Congress the number of civilians killed or injured in such operations. By the time reports get to congressional oversight committees, one lawyer said, theyre undercounting deaths and overstating accuracy.
U.S. military and intelligence agencies have long relied on night raids by forces like the 02 unit to fight insurgencies around the globe. The strategy has, again and again, drawn outrage for its reliance on sometimes flawed intelligence and civilian death count. In 1967, the CIAs Phoenix Program famously used kill-capture raids against the Viet Cong insurgency in south Vietnam, creating an intense public blowback. Despite the programs ignominious reputation a 1971 Pentagon study found only 3% of those killed or captured were full or probationary Viet Cong members above the district level it appears to have served as a blueprint for future night raid operations.
Eyewitnesses, survivors and family members described how Zero Unit soldiers had stormed into their homes at night, killing loved ones** at more than 30 raid sites Billing visited. No Afghan or U.S officials returned to investigate. In one instance, a 22-year-old named Batour witnessed a raid that killed his two brothers. One was a teacher and the other a university student. He told Billing the Zero Unit strategy had actually made enemies of families like his. He and his brothers, he said, had supported the government and vowed never to join the Taliban. Now, he said, hes not so sure.
Little in the way of explanation was ever provided to the relatives of the dead or to their neighbors and friends as to why these particular individuals were targeted and what crimes they were accused of. Families who sought answers from provincial officials about the raids were told nothing could be done because they were Zero Unit operations. They have their own intelligence and they do their own operation, one grieving family member remembered being told after his three grandchildren were killed in an airstrike and night raid. The provincial governor gave us a parcel of rice, a can of oil and some sugar as compensation for the killings. At medical facilities, doctors told Billing theyd never been contacted by Afghan or U.S. investigators or human rights groups about the fate of those injured in the raids. Some of the injured later died, quietly boosting the casualty count.

https://www.propublica.org/article/afghanistan-night-raids-zero-units-investigation-takeaways

It was fine to have ended that.


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Rexdragon125
02/01/25 1:59:45 PM
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creativerealms posted...
The propaganda against this man worked wonders.
This chart lines up nicely with Musk buying Twitter
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Antifar
02/01/25 2:02:29 PM
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Rexdragon125 posted...
This chart lines up nicely with Musk buying Twitter
It... Doesn't, though? Musk took over Twitter in October 2022

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josifrees
02/01/25 2:10:04 PM
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Antifar posted...
The US presence in Afghanistan consisted largely of shit like this:

https://www.propublica.org/article/afghanistan-night-raids-zero-units-investigation-takeaways

It was fine to have ended that.

so then whats the problem? Why did bIDeN get destroyed if it was good that it ended

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Antifar
02/01/25 2:17:21 PM
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josifrees posted...
so then whats the problem? Why did bIDeN get destroyed if it was good that it ended
Media coverage of the withdrawal was ghastly.
https://theweek.com/politics/1003969/american-media-cant-quit-the-forever-war
https://www.columnblog.com/p/pundits-whose-hearts-bled-for-the

And the administration's response to negative coverage was to shut itself up rather than voice a counter-narrative.

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Charged151
02/01/25 2:22:10 PM
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josifrees posted...
so then whats the problem? Why did bIDeN get destroyed if it was good that it ended
The way it happened was embarrassing. The Taliban shouldn't have taken over before we could complete the U.S. withdrawal.

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LightSnake
02/01/25 2:28:48 PM
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Charged151 posted...
The way it happened was embarrassing. The Taliban shouldn't have taken over before we could complete the U.S. withdrawal.

That's the fault of the Afghan military, frankly

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Storm_Shadow
02/01/25 2:31:40 PM
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Hmmm...let's do the guys-on-the-ground thing and try to diagnose and troubleshoot why GOPpers crash the economy and Democrats (and the mildly left-wing contingent we have in the States) are given only two years to fix things before midterms come along, GOPpers get re-elected, and any fixing stops.

It's too reductive to say it's because voters are stupid (they are), but that's not the only reason even if it's the root cause.

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Sansoldier
02/01/25 2:37:16 PM
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tremain07 posted...
When you see this and see Trump hovering at 40 percent roughly it really makes you accept that we are a nation in decline and have no hope left. I don't see a realistic way Democrats recover from this let alone recover in a way that isn't immediately smothered by the unchecked corruption of Trump's administration

We can ONLY recover if (when) the republican destroys the economy.

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josifrees
02/01/25 3:00:30 PM
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Antifar posted...
Media coverage of the withdrawal was ghastly.
https://theweek.com/politics/1003969/american-media-cant-quit-the-forever-war
https://www.columnblog.com/p/pundits-whose-hearts-bled-for-the

And the administration's response to negative coverage was to shut itself up rather than voice a counter-narrative.

Such a small percentage of people consume the mainstream media. You can add them all up and their tv ratings and its 20% tops. Even social media, add them up its still such a small portion of the population

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Antifar
02/01/25 3:11:30 PM
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josifrees posted...
Such a small percentage of people consume the mainstream media. You can add them all up and their tv ratings and its 20% tops.
Yes, but their views do filter down to the people who aren't paying as much attention.

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Tyranthraxus
02/01/25 3:18:01 PM
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Sansoldier posted...
We can ONLY recover if (when) the republican destroys the economy.
No. It will just get blamed on the Democrats and morons will keep electing Republicans.

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Starks
02/01/25 5:11:55 PM
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It was, but then we lost 13 servicemembers, dozens more wounded, and tons of civilians in a terrorist attack on the way out. And we left a ton of materiel behind.

That's what soured everyone's mood and ended Biden's honeymoon.

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darkknight109
02/01/25 5:35:36 PM
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The only thing - and I do mean the *only* thing - Trump and the Republicans are phenomenally good at is controlling narratives and getting favourable media coverage (and note that "favourable" is not the same thing as "positive"; negative stories can be a good thing, depending on the source and content).

That's what ultimately sunk Biden. He was doing a legitimately fantastic job. He was handed quite possibly the single-most challenging start to a presidency in the last 50 years (his only real competition being Obama having to deal with the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis and the two ongoing wars in the Middle East), with a raging pandemic and inflation starting to rear its head, yet performed admirably. The US suffered less inflation and had a smoother recovery than nearly any other nation on the planet...

...but Biden just could not get the media to care. All of his accomplishments went unheralded and, seemingly to draw a contrast with Trump and his hostile relationship with the media, he and his underlings refused to forcefully counter media narratives. Thus we get a big chunk of the population thinking that Biden is a shit president when, objectively, he was one of the best of the post-war era.

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That's the fault of the Afghan military, frankly
And who built and trained the Afghan military?

The reason the Afghan military collapsed so quickly was because it was riddled with corruption, something the US not only did not combat, but actively and willingly participated in. The US was involved in facilitating bribes to the local warlords to buy their allegiance and tacitly allowed corrupt officials to create "ghost regiments" of soldiers that didn't actually exist so they could keep money allotted to them (and fear of political consequence kept the US military from publicizing just how bad things were), but the result of that is that little of the money that was earmarked for the Afghan military actually made it to the soldiers. Soldiers at the time of the US withdrawal reported not having been paid in over six months. Then along comes the Taliban and says, "Hey, we'll pay you $150 if you give us your gun and go home" - if you're some struggling Afghan dirt farmer trying to provide for your family, why the fuck wouldn't you take that offer? It's not like the government is doing anything for you at that point.

The entire Afghanistan campaign, from its inception under Bush to its conclusion under Biden, was an unmitigated clusterfuck. There were four different presidents overseeing that conflict and precisely zero of them managed it well. Some people in this topic are pretending that there was nothing wrong with the withdrawal, which is a frankly ridiculous take (fleeing a country while its democratically-elected government that you helped build and support is overthrown and replaced with a theocratic dictatorship is not something to celebrate or portray as "just and orderly"), but not all of the blame falls on Biden's lap.

There never seemed to be a concrete plan to help Afghanistan modernize and acclimatize to democracy. The Taliban didn't succeed because Afghanistan is hopelessly backwater and primitive or something like that; they succeeded because they provided stability and financial support to those who worked with them, something the US and their regional allies never did. When your choice is between two groups of overlords who periodically unleash cruelty and death upon you, you may as well go with the ones who actually pay well and follow your customs.

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